U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists

desert dude

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you cooking up some kind of tr00f3r theory that more than 13 people died in the 2009 fort hood shooting?
Hasan performed a 9mm abortion on Ms. Velez. If you count the dead baby, I know that is crazy talk around here, the count of those murdered by Hasan in 2009 would be 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
Francheska Velez[77][82] 21 Chicago, Illinois Private First Class Shot in the chest. Was pregnant when killed, and the baby also died.[83]
 

UncleBuck

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Hasan performed a 9mm abortion on Ms. Velez. If you count the dead baby, I know that is crazy talk around here, the count of those murdered by Hasan in 2009 would be 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
Francheska Velez[77][82] 21 Chicago, Illinois Private First Class Shot in the chest. Was pregnant when killed, and the baby also died.[83]
right wing extremists like yourself are still way on top when it comes to killing people for political reasons.
 

desert dude

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right wing extremists like yourself are still way on top when it comes to killing people for political reasons.
I have never murdered anybody. The extent of my extremism is an extreme loathing for leaches such as yourself.

Hasan was a medical professional. I guess the only good thing that happened that day was his 9mm abortion, then some "right wing extremist" shot the poor doctor and paralyzed him.
 

Red1966

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The military is a group of people who use violence and the threat of violence to get what it wants. That is what a gang is. There are white people in the military. I was actually in the military and am a combat veteran, but that was before I realized that the US is an Empire that steals from most of the world.
What exactly is it that we are stealing?
 

UncleBuck

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I have never murdered anybody. The extent of my extremism is an extreme loathing for leaches such as yourself.
you're minimizing the fact that you bemoan title II of civil rights as an affront to your "right of association" with white people only (white separatism) and you're completely forgetting about your former membership in the "white nationalists and white separatists" group (version 3.0) which specialized in the same type of white supremacy and holocaust denial that groups like "the white patriots" do.

you're right there with the right wing extremists, your history here spells it out loudly and clearly.
 

MidwesternGro

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What exactly is it that we are stealing?
How about Manifest Destiny? We stole large portions of our country from the Sioux, Cheyenne, Cherokee, etc. How about the Banana Republics of South and Central America? How about how we overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran during the '50s so that we could get their oil cheaper? How about mineral rights in Afghanistan?
 

Dr Kynes

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I am a Socialist.
wow. another _____________________ist, socialist ____________________-ist, anrcho-_________________ist who is shockingly indistinguishable from any other kind of marxist.

tired old playbook is tired and old.

you and the OP label everything opposed to your ideology as "Right Wing" then you get all butthurt if somebody CORRECTLY ID's you as a marxist.

if you want to sling labels at others, you cant bitch when a label is applied to your own butt.

here's how you self-identify accurately:
i am a
republican (supporter of the republic as a form of governance)
conservative (if you want to change shit, show me how your way is better or STFU)
market capitalist (keep your fingers out of my shit, and ill keep my fingers out of yours, then maybe we can trade shit)
libertarian (keep your nose out of my business and i will keep out of your business)

but you lefties cant handle explaining your position firmly, and definitively, you need tons of smoke and mirrors to hide the truth, cuz deep down you know your ideology is shameful, oppressive and destructive.
 

abandonconflict

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How about Manifest Destiny? We stole large portions of our country from the Sioux, Cheyenne, Cherokee, etc. How about the Banana Republics of South and Central America? How about how we overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran during the '50s so that we could get their oil cheaper? How about mineral rights in Afghanistan?
How would authoritarian socialism make merica less kleptocratic?
 

abandonconflict

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wow. another _____________________ist, socialist ____________________-ist, anrcho-_________________ist who is shockingly indistinguishable from any other kind of marxist.

tired old playbook is tired and old.

you and the OP label everything opposed to your ideology as "Right Wing" then you get all butthurt if somebody CORRECTLY ID's you as a marxist.

if you want to sling labels at others, you cant bitch when a label is applied to your own butt.

here's how you self-identify accurately:
i am a
republican (supporter of the republic as a form of governance)
conse.
Speaking of tired old play book, he's not an anarchist of any sort.

I like how in one part of your rant you say what kind of government you like and in the next you say you're a libertarian. Something tells me that you are incapable of wrapping your mind around any philosophy you don't agree with. Maybe it's just the fact that you have demonstrated that you don't understand your own.
 

Red1966

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How about Manifest Destiny? We stole large portions of our country from the Sioux, Cheyenne, Cherokee, etc. How about the Banana Republics of South and Central America? How about how we overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran during the '50s so that we could get their oil cheaper? How about mineral rights in Afghanistan?
Indians-Ancient history. Banana republics-able to prosper solely on their petroleum exports that were completely undeveloped until we did it for them. "the democratically elected government of Iran" that has returned to power and routinely stones, flogs, tortures, beats, and beheads those that have committed "crimes" such as being gay, being female, or not being a Muslim? What about the mineral rights in Afghanistan?
 

MidwesternGro

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How would authoritarian socialism make merica less kleptocratic?
Have you looked at America lately? Jobs have been funneled out and cheap third world workers in because it favors the corporations that have bribed our politicians. Besides, I am not an authoritarian because I believe in strong unions and liberal institutions to challenge the authority that the ruling class has imposed on us as they ship away our jobs in the name of "free trade."

We are living in a kleptocratic plutocracy that is rotten to its core and cannot maintain the facade of a benevolent hegemony. The entire game is rigged in favor of the powerful.
 

abandonconflict

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Have you looked at America lately? Jobs have been funneled out and cheap third world workers in because it favors the corporations that have bribed our politicians. Besides, I am not an authoritarian because I believe in strong unions and liberal institutions to challenge the authority that the ruling class has imposed on us as they ship away our jobs in the name of "free trade."

We are living in a kleptocratic plutocracy that is rotten to its core and cannot maintain the facade of a benevolent hegemony. The entire game is rigged in favor of the powerful.
In 1917, Russia's ruling class all became party members.
 

MidwesternGro

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Indians-Ancient history. Banana republics-able to prosper solely on their petroleum exports that were completely undeveloped until we did it for them. "the democratically elected government of Iran" that has returned to power and routinely stones, flogs, tortures, beats, and beheads those that have committed "crimes" such as being gay, being female, or not being a Muslim? What about the mineral rights in Afghanistan?
So you feel we have a right to impose our will on other countries because American or British corporations (not "we") drilled holes in the ground? The democratically elected government of Iran in the '50s was actually very liberal and had Western values, today's government of Iran is authoritarian. This is mostly due to the fact that they deposed the Shah, who we put into power. Look up "Operation Ajax."
 

UncleBuck

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Speaking of tired old play book, he's not an anarchist of any sort.

I like how in one part of your rant you say what kind of government you like and in the next you say you're a libertarian. Something tells me that you are incapable of wrapping your mind around any philosophy you don't agree with. Maybe it's just the fact that you have demonstrated that you don't understand your own.
he once called me a socialist because i stated that i believe in private ownership of means of production.
 

Dr Kynes

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Speaking of tired old play book, he's not an anarchist of any sort.

I like how in one part of your rant you say what kind of government you like and in the next you say you're a libertarian. Something tells me that you are incapable of wrapping your mind around any philosophy you don't agree with. Maybe it's just the fact that you have demonstrated that you don't understand your own.
liberty and rights are compatible with governance

liberty and rights are incompatible with anarchy

i (unlike yourself) fully understand why you cannot grasp this simple idea.

you are unable to comprehend that anyone might have ideas which you do not endorse and approve, thus there can never be any conflict, thus, no need for conflict resolution.

Protip: youre not the Birthday Boy, and everyone doesnt have to agree with you and your dictates.

when conflict arises, governance allows the resolution of that conflict without resorting to Anarcho-shoot-you-in-the-face-ism, but since you are a petulant child, you cannot conceive of anyone daring to disagree with your positions, so how could there ever be conflict?
 
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