Tulsi Gabbard 2020

Fogdog

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I'm not a Tulsi fan, but I don't think she is a Russian agent. Hillary is still bitter at Stine and Sanders for costing her the election and Tulsi supported Bernie. This is clearly obvious to anybody who is not a complete partisan.
Russian asset is not the same as agent. Nonetheless, the term is loaded and I believe was not fairly applied to Jill Stein although Clinton was not wrong when she said it. It is a fact that Gabbard is constantly being mentioned in Russian troll streams. From what I've read, Clinton didn't call Gabbard a Russian asset. Though she came right up to doing so:

This from Politico:

Clinton, however, has stopped short of directly calling Gabbard a Russian asset in her comments. On the Campaign HQ with David Plouffe podcast, Clinton just said Gabbard was the preferred candidate of Russian agents who “have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”
Clinton did say she suspected Gabbard would run as a third-party candidate — a claim Gabbard has denied — and did call 2016 Green Party candidate Jill Stein “a Russian asset.”

“They know they can’t win without a third-party candidate,” Clinton said. “So I don’t know who it’s going to be, but I will guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most needed.”
When asked whether Clinton were singling out Gabbard, whom she didn’t mention by name, her spokesman, Merrill, referenced Russian Matryoshka dolls and said, “If the nesting doll fits.”


Gabbard's responses have been less honest and more loaded than anything Clinton said. This is all a word game and actually has nothing to do with the real reasons why Gabbard is not a good fit as candidate for the Democratic Party.


I think Gabbard will run as a third party candidate and the Bernie bots will foam and spew her bullshit with enthusiasm against whomever the Democrats run for office. It will pull away a few percentage points away from the Democratic party's candidate and is Trump's only chance. So is Gabbard a Russian asset? I would seem so if it helps get their guy into office but she's not a Russian agent.
 

PJ Diaz

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Russia helped Tulsi put this little ad together but they don't have any influence on her lol.


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I'd like to point out to you that you've been unfortunately deceived by Louise Mensch. It seems that in that screenshot he posted, he didn't include the entire screen, in an effort to cause misinformation.

I'm one who likes to check and see what's real and what isn't real, so I watched the video myself. What I saw is that the "Russian Defense Ministry" credit is part of a CNN clip. CNN credited them, not Tulsi. Also it only appears for half a second, so someone was really looking hard for this misinformation.

Here is a screenshot of the same part of the video, but I included the whole screen for you:

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PJ Diaz

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Again you've been deceived.

The headlines state: The Hawaii congresswoman criticized the House’s impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump as “very partisan.”

However if you read the article, the actual quote is: “I’ve long expressed my concern about going through impeachment proceedings in a very, very partisan way because it will only further tear apart an already divided country,” she said."
 

hanimmal

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It doesn't matter she is burnt, now the trolling can just turn to the horrible propaganda campaign against Tulsi to cast shade on Trump's very real holding up of congressionally mandated military funding to another country to strong arm them into manufacturing dirt on Biden because they have no answer for him.
 

Fogdog

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Again you've been deceived.

The headlines state: The Hawaii congresswoman criticized the House’s impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump as “very partisan.”

However if you read the article, the actual quote is: “I’ve long expressed my concern about going through impeachment proceedings in a very, very partisan way because it will only further tear apart an already divided country,” she said."
Let me understand you better. Are you saying that you agree with Gabbard that the House is wrong to investigate Trump under impeachment proceedings due to evidence that he pressured the Ukrainian government to help his election campaign in exchange for US funds to aid Ukraine in their defense from Russian aggression?
 

PJ Diaz

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Fake news? not.

there is quite a bit of history and evidence that Tulsi Gabbard is still under the influence of a wacky religious, racist, homophobic and backward cult.
I'm talking about a specific post that contained incorrect misinformation. Did you not see what they did just a couple of posts prior?
 

PJ Diaz

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Let me understand you better. Are you saying that you agree with Gabbard that the House is wrong to investigate Trump under impeachment proceedings due to evidence that he pressured the Ukrainian government to help his election campaign in exchange for US funds to aid Ukraine in their defense from Russian aggression?
You are reading too far into my post. I am saying one thing only: I want the headlines to reflect fact. I want specific quotes, not some paraphrasing.

I likely will not vote for Tulsi, she's not at the top of my list, so know that. That said however, I have been following some of the recent disinformation associated with her. I have another example, where one article incorrectly paraphrased from another article, which was paraphrased to begin with.

Here's what they posted in a jacobinmag.com article: "..a 2015 interview with Ozy, in which she confirmed that her personal views on gay marriage and abortion hadn’t changed, just her view on whether the government should enforce its vision of morality."

So I decided to check the source. In that 2015 Ozy interview they referenced, the only thing that comes close to validating what they stated above was this:" (She tells me that, no, her personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.) "

Seems to be that the above "quote" from the Ozy interview is not a quote at all, but the author paraphrasing something off record. Also they say nothing about those views relating to gay marriage, but somehow the jacobin author just slipped it right in there.

I'm not here to advocate for one position over another, but I will advocate for news reporting to be factual every time, not based on innuendo and paraphrases.
 

UncleBuck

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You are reading too far into my post. I am saying one thing only: I want the headlines to reflect fact. I want specific quotes, not some paraphrasing.

I likely will not vote for Tulsi, she's not at the top of my list, so know that. That said however, I have been following some of the recent disinformation associated with her. I have another example, where one article incorrectly paraphrased from another article, which was paraphrased to begin with.

Here's what they posted in a jacobinmag.com article: "..a 2015 interview with Ozy, in which she confirmed that her personal views on gay marriage and abortion hadn’t changed, just her view on whether the government should enforce its vision of morality."

So I decided to check the source. In that 2015 Ozy interview they referenced, the only thing that comes close to validating what they stated above was this:" (She tells me that, no, her personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.) "

Seems to be that the above "quote" from the Ozy interview is not a quote at all, but the author paraphrasing something off record. Also they say nothing about those views relating to gay marriage, but somehow the jacobin author just slipped it right in there.

I'm not here to advocate for one position over another, but I will advocate for news reporting to be factual every time, not based on innuendo and paraphrases.
Did russian state media write 20 fawning articles about any other democratic candidate
 
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