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Killenemsoftly, the only thing I love to cultivate more than cannabis are open minds. I'd never leave you high n dry if I had the knowledge, but you knew that already.

The plasterers' technique sounds great, and should work well with the porous nature of the vertical trellis. I'm aiming a big 24" fan straight up inside my Super Silo right now, it draws cool air in from between the RDWC tubs near the floor and blues it straight up past the bulbs. I'm sure air flows outward all up and down the silo. The plants show zero signs of heat stress this way.

To respond to your questions about HVAC: it may not have been mentioned much in this thread, but I run water cooled on a flip schedule. Water cooling allows for more dehuey, but since the technology isn't as mature in this industry as AC is, we're kinda on our own.

I started with a bunch of 8" Iceboxes and a 2 Ton ChillKing window mount chiller, all of which I still have. The Iceboxes only have about 50sq in of surface area, not really enough for dehuey even with several. The chiller keeps the temperature under control well enough, but the air handler side needs to be bigger to deal with the speed at which the plants will be transpiring water.

This is why I'm venting right now, and my short term plan is to raid a local junkyard for a used radiator or two and see if a larger heat exchanger will help draw more moisture out of the air. If I can recapture the water and return it to the RDWC my ratios will change more slowly, it will require fewer topups. Keeping the room sealed will also conserve CO².

http://www.novabiomatique.com/hydroponics-systems/plant-606-igs-030r-discontinued.cfm

Might be worth checking these guys controllers out. I have a model that's discontinued. It's a solid state 15a, 2 hp, humidity controller. It sets for dehuey/humifiy mode and does a different night setting. Right now, i"m drawing in 22 celsius air that's only 10% humidity. I"m charging the intake air with a y fitting that passes over a 5gal pail lid (custom fit by me). Inside the pail is a 600 gph pump with a header and 2 sprayers on it. The point is, a humidity controller like i have let's me run a dedicated device to control humidity. Winter, humidify and fall, springl, summer run dehuey. You are running co2 so these guys stuff would be perfect for you. I bet they have an integrated co2/humidity/temp controller you could grab for a decent price. there stuff lasts and is excellent quality. i also run a dedicated temp controller for in/ex fans. I run: 55% rh and 26 degrees celsius lights on and 50% rh 24 celsuis lights off. It is awesome having this tight control and i would never give it up as i scale up. there"s even a load switcher that lets you send a signal to a high amperage device (say 20 amps to 230v cooling device) and open it's power. they are in quebec and there stuff is incredible. serious ty, i bet any rough edges could be iron out with these guys stuff.

killemsoftly said:

http://www.novabiomatique.com/hydroponics-systems/plant-606-igs-030r-discontinued.cfm

Might be worth checking these guys controllers out. I have a model that's discontinued. It's a solid state 15a, 2 hp, humidity controller. It sets for dehuey/humifiy mode and does a different night setting. Right now, i"m drawing in 22 celsius air that's only 10% humidity. I"m charging the intake air with a y fitting that passes over a 5gal pail lid (custom fit by me). Inside the pail is a 600 gph pump with a header and 2 sprayers on it. The point is, a humidity controller like i have let's me run a dedicated device to control humidity. Winter, humidify and fall, springl, summer run dehuey. You are running co2 so these guys stuff would be perfect for you. I bet they have an integrated co2/humidity/temp controller you could grab for a decent price. there stuff lasts and is excellent quality. i also run a dedicated temp controller for in/ex fans. I run: 55% rh and 26 degrees celsius lights on and 50% rh 24 celsuis lights off. It is awesome having this tight control and i would never give it up as i scale up. there"s even a load switcher that lets you send a signal to a high amperage device (say 20 amps to 230v cooling device) and open it's power. they are in quebec and there stuff is incredible. serious ty, i bet any rough edges could be iron out with these guys stuff.

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That page you sent me had a link to a box that would cut power to its controlled outlet if RH is too high. That might be what I need, I'll look into it further.

Today, my 2 Ton ChillKing window mount unit FAILED. It's only 9 months old!

Warranty process has already been started; I will keep you all up to date on how my claim is treated.

I'm not dead in the water; because this HAS HAPPENED BEFORE WITH CHILLKING, I have a second, rebuilt 2 Ton ChillKing window mount unit! It's currently handling chilling chores until the first one gets fixed.

It failed in MARCH? IN COLD WEATHER? WHILE IT SAT INSIDE ALL WINTER AND NEVER SAW SUB FREEZING TEMPERATURES?! I will be very interested in the diagnosis...

Yeah that its kinda strange. I'd expect it to go under full load in July. That company link i sent you: you kinda have to nose around their site. They discontinued the solo device i have: dedicated rh controller for 15a load. The reason i suggested it is that if you want 'tight' control over rh(+ or -5%) they make quite a few really nice integrated controllers. Given your probably running some high loads and co2, the controller can be use to send a "load on" signal to a high voltage switcher that could run 120v/230v-240v devices (chiller, dehuey, etc.). it's best to read through brochures and the website. Bear in mind, they are a quebec based company and their translation to english is a little off. Having said that, i believe they warranty their stuff for 3-5 years. check out this when you have a minute: http://www.novabiomatique.com/hydroponics-systems/plant-629-igs-221-co2.cfm I believe it will put data right onto your computer via rj-45.

am happy to hear you got a back up device, sweet dude!

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am happy to hear you got a back up device, sweet dude!

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Oh buddy, you don't know the half of it; last summer I had another chiller fail (NOT the fault of the equipment last time, credit where it's due, more on that soon) and I did not have a backup. That potential nightmare was headed off by good timing and a bit of luck; Colorado tapwater runs COLD all winter and even in May it hadn't warmed up fully for the summer. At 60F, it was just cool enough to use AS the fluid in the cooling circuit- so for two weeks, I did!

I already had a second chiller on layaway. It took two weeks to raise the necessary funds and in that time I used a lot of water, which is why I consider it a last resort. Later on and through summer, tapwater warms into the seventies, eliminating this option until late fall once again refrigerates the entire state, water supply and all.

I told y'all I'd shoot straight about how Hydro Innovations is taking care of me.

They called me back within the hour with several options to proceed; bring it in, or have any of several authorized reps do a service call. They explained that ChillKing is not an in house brand, it's another separate company with whom Hydro Innovations did a lot of business when they were based in Texas. One of the reasons they now build all of their own chillers, even the smaller ones like mine, is because they were not happy with the number of service calls these units generated. They stopped doing business with ChillKing some several years ago, and so the warranty period they were responsible for has run out on all units that got sold.... but some sat in inventory at retail shops, and ended up in the hands of people like me.

Rather than attempt to wash their hands of the whole thing, they've chosen instead to back the original parts only warranty AND diagnose the problem gratis if I could get it to them. If it's a cheap fix like a capacitor, it will be a done deal. If it's the compressor, they'll work with the manufacturer- the unit has a five year warranty from date of manufacture... April of 2010! Yeah, this thing sat around in inventory for a minute before it came home with me last summer!

I called friends until I got ahold of a pal with a van- and I got a tour of their very spacious and complete facility, got a peek at several projects they've got in the works- great stuff!- and came away with some extremely fascinating news about their new in-house Banks brand of specialty built chilling systems. More on that soon, too.

In short, they had the chance to bounce the ball back to ChillKing and sweep it under the rug- and instead, they've handled it themselves from half court for three points.

I'll let ya know what the diagnosis is when they call me.

cool, dude i'm glad their sorting you out properly. kinda a bummer but hey live and learn right?

oh. Dropped a seed order in the mail today. Next tuesday i"ll be putting 20 seeds to bed. Trying out a Johnny Blaze meets Cindy 99 and a Petrolia headstash meet C99. Should be interesting to see what goodness they reveal to me in the next 14-16 weeks. Yum yum boys and girls......

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Extremely honest and reliable folks:

oh. Dropped a seed order in the mail today. Next tuesday i"ll be putting 20 seeds to bed. Trying out a Johnny Blaze meets Cindy 99 and a Petrolia headstash meet C99. Should be interesting to see what goodness they reveal to me in the next 14-16 weeks. Yum yum boys and girls......

Descriptions can be found here:



Extremely honest and reliable folks:

oh. Dropped a seed order in the mail today. Next tuesday i"ll be putting 20 seeds to bed. Trying out a Johnny Blaze meets Cindy 99 and a Petrolia headstash meet C99. Should be interesting to see what goodness they reveal to me in the next 14-16 weeks. Yum yum boys and girls......

Descriptions can be found here:http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/Beanho/JohnnyBlazexC99.html and: http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/Beanho/PetroliaHeadstashxC99.html



Extremely honest and reliable folks at Hempdepot guys and gals:http://hempdepot.ca/other/aprices.html


Sorry. Botched something the first time. Stoners, eh? Hahahaaaa...!!!

The first picture is of Longs Peak, on the way to Hydro Innovations. These plant pics aren't sexy, but this should give some idea of the silo system I'm developing:

killemsoftly said:

cool, dude i'm glad their sorting you out properly. kinda a bummer but hey live and learn right?

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I learned long ago that good customer service is well worth looking for- and paying for once you've found it. The tour was revealing in many ways, they're doing some amazing things that show the true potential of water chilling. For instance, they have an optional kit to convert their most popular chillers to add the excess heat being removed from the cold water circuit to another separate HOT water circuit. The unit does it automatically and even sheds excess heat into the air when you're not using it all. What could you use hot water for?

killemsoftly said:

oh. Dropped a seed order in the mail today. Next tuesday i"ll be putting 20 seeds to bed. Trying out a Johnny Blaze meets Cindy 99 and a Petrolia headstash meet C99. Should be interesting to see what goodness they reveal to me in the next 14-16 weeks. Yum yum boys and girls......

Descriptions can be found here:http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/Beanho/JohnnyBlazexC99.html and: http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/Beanho/PetroliaHeadstashxC99.html



Extremely honest and reliable folks at Hempdepot guys and gals:http://hempdepot.ca/other/aprices.html


Sorry. Botched something the first time. Stoners, eh? Hahahaaaa...!!!

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Lol that's a pretty unique way to bump up my posting numbers, I'll give you that!

I have a Cindy99 cross myself; Dairy Queen. It's one of my most popular strains. LOVE IT!

Nice shots ty, definitely getting the picture. Seems to make sense to make em grow up to the bulb to fill out the canopy/trellis then drop the light a bit (post-stretch) and watch em swell. Can"t wait to find the right candidates for that job! lol


Gotta love that chiller innovation. It'd be pretty sweet to have a hot side to run water heating via a handler for household heating, hot-water, garage, driveway. Then in the off season you just direct it to a spot and dump it out. Am i following the concept right> Do you have any links for the guys you are dealing with? I'll try to only post this once, hahaha!

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Yeah that its kinda strange. I'd expect it to go under full load in July. That company link i sent you: you kinda have to nose around their site. They discontinued the solo device i have: dedicated rh controller for 15a load. The reason i suggested it is that if you want 'tight' control over rh(+ or -5%) they make quite a few really nice integrated controllers. Given your probably running some high loads and co2, the controller can be use to send a "load on" signal to a high voltage switcher that could run 120v/230v-240v devices (chiller, dehuey, etc.). it's best to read through brochures and the website. Bear in mind, they are a quebec based company and their translation to english is a little off. Having said that, i believe they warranty their stuff for 3-5 years. check out this when you have a minute: http://www.novabiomatique.com/hydroponics-systems/plant-629-igs-221-co2.cfm I believe it will put data right onto your computer via rj-45.

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I already have an environmental controller, a Sentinel CHHC-4. What I lacked was a plan for keeping excess humidity down, since the water chilling system wasn't keeping up.

killemsoftly said:

Nice shots ty, definitely getting the picture. Seems to make sense to make em grow up to the bulb to fill out the canopy/trellis then drop the light a bit (post-stretch) and watch em swell. Can"t wait to find the right candidates for that job! lol


Gotta love that chiller innovation. It'd be pretty sweet to have a hot side to run water heating via a handler for household heating, hot-water, garage, driveway. Then in the off season you just direct it to a spot and dump it out. Am i following the concept right> Do you have any links for the guys you are dealing with? I'll try to only post this once, hahaha!

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I run two lights inside the Super Silo, and they don't move, either with a mover, or at various points in the cycle. They stay fixed and their lighting patterns reinforce one another for even lighting throughout.

Hydro Innovations (dot com) in Boulder. I'm very impressed with the level of technical sophistication, capabilities, facilities and staff. I've already discussed how well they're taking care of my warranty issue, that's going to plan.