Trying to breed a potent auto/strains im planning on

my long-term plan, for the best producing, most potent auto flower possible

in the next year or so im going to be collecting strains as well as doing crosses with my favorite strains in hopes to perfect them for 3-4 generations over a stretched period of time to get a stable range of genes, and just so i can have a lot of seeds for the future.
im also breeding these strains to be autos but im going to wait until im very pleased with this auto as far as potency and yield goes. after they are crossed, i will pick the best male and female that show characteristics similar to the photoperiod parent but still flower under 18/6 light time.

i know most people underestimate the ruderalis family of cannabis due to potency but the light time is a huge advantage and the autoflower is just a gene that needs to be singled out by breeding plants with the auto gene but more genetics from its photoperiod parent.

im doing this project because it would make it possible to collaborate a veg and flower room and 33% more light in their life under 18/6 and 50% more hours of light under 24/0.
i will eventually breed some plants under 24/0 and hopefully train a strain to grow stably without dark time.

Crazey,

I think I responded to you on this before the crash, but your breeding project(s) seem pretty "ambitious" to put it mildly.

Creating even ONE stable new strain is typically a 2 year project, and its going to require that you have the ability to grow out at LEAST 16 plants at a time to ensure that you can find the right genetics to go to the next generation for crosses.

A more realistic number would be 64 plants at a time if you want to do any kind of serious normal selective breeding. Can you do that?

Now, if you want to breed 4 or 5 new strains, you're going to have to selectively breed maybe 300 plants at a time, which is probably MORE than a full time job for one individual. Most of the commercial breeders aren't going it alone. . .they literally have teams of help to maintain the plants, take clones, harvest, etc.

Next issue, some of your crosses may not even be possible. Everyone wants super-potent high yielding plants, but realistically a plant can only make so much THC, and the two things tend to work against one another. Potency and yield are not simple one-gene traits that are easily controlled or selected for, the way, say, autoflowering is.

It simply may not be possible to create a plant with the potency of herijuana and the yield of selene.

I think a more realistic project is just to take your "favorite" strain (be it herijuana or whatever), and then do enough crosses/backcrosses with an auto to create an autoflowering version. That alone would be a pretty useful "trick", and this sort of project probably is within the grasp of a careful and organized small-scale individual grower.

Jogro said:

Crazey,

I think I responded to you on this before the crash, but your breeding project(s) seem pretty "ambitious" to put it mildly.

Creating even ONE stable new strain is typically a 2 year project, and its going to require that you have the ability to grow out at LEAST 16 plants at a time to ensure that you can find the right genetics to go to the next generation for crosses.

A more realistic number would be 64 plants at a time if you want to do any kind of serious normal selective breeding. Can you do that?

Now, if you want to breed 4 or 5 new strains, you're going to have to selectively breed maybe 300 plants at a time, which is probably MORE than a full time job for one individual. Most of the commercial breeders aren't going it alone. . .they literally have teams of help to maintain the plants, take clones, harvest, etc.

Next issue, some of your crosses may not even be possible. Everyone wants super-potent high yielding plants, but realistically a plant can only make so much THC, and the two things tend to work against one another. Potency and yield are not simple one-gene traits that are easily controlled or selected for, the way, say, autoflowering is.

It simply may not be possible to create a plant with the potency of herijuana and the yield of selene.

I think a more realistic project is just to take your "favorite" strain (be it herijuana or whatever), and then do enough crosses/backcrosses with an auto to create an autoflowering version. That alone would be a pretty useful "trick", and this sort of project probably is within the grasp of a careful and organized small-scale individual grower.

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yes, i know this seems over fetched a bit but these are just ideas, just using this thread for memory. if you like a strain, please give me your input. id be glad to know everyones opinion before i try to breed and stabilize a strain, but hopefully in my life time some of these strains will be possible. im not saying im doing about 10 crosses at a time though, dont get me wrong i cannot do all of these at the same time. the word long term should have been in bold. i have recently thought of switching my auto parents as well, sour 60 is very appealing to me since the potency is also pretty high.

i plan on doing plenty of generations, backcrossing with the photoperiods only when the auto gene is highly probable. and only breeding the ones which flower when ran on 20/4. yes, i do know i will need a large selection of plants and will have to conduct many at a time, i will be collecting pollen and saving it from my most vigorous males. i plan to run abut 10-20 plants. slimmer chances of a good female and male parent, but i honestly think when some people say the genes vary too much and say some are less vigorous, it usually means they didnt give them stable conditions or treat them right.
but if anything i will be saving pollen like i said, and running photoperiods as well.

and i believe with enough backcrossing with a stable photo period will pass on the genetics like kollossus and herijuana, and after multiple generations of breeding the auto offspring i can cross them with kollossus or herijuana again. as long as i keep this ruderalis gene and make this plant resemble more of its photo parents, potency will follow. also, i dont really agree on the whole potency relating to yield thing, if a strain is stable enough and yields a ton of potent bud like selene and is crossed to bring in the auto gene, stabilized, then backcrossed again with selene and so on it would look like selene rather than its ruderalis parent.
plenty of people may tell me "its not possible" but i just cant take advice from people on the internet anymore.
i am also not talking about an auto that flowers in 60 days, i will try to breed the longer flowering phenos that also grows taller than a lowryder, like onyx or mi5.

For inspiration...http://archive.org/details/lutherburbankhis01burbrich

Luther Burbank -- persistent, methodical, dedicated. Absolutely unafraid of failure.

TomIke said:

For inspiration...http://archive.org/details/lutherburbankhis01burbrich

Luther Burbank -- persistent, methodical, dedicated. Absolutely unafraid of failure.

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hmm, just read the table of contents, looks like my kind of book.

cool project. Autos do rock, I love em and so need more auto seeds

ohmy said:

cool project. Autos do rock, I love em and so need more auto seeds

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thanks ohmy, i havent done any yet but do see many advantages in the idea of them, plan to breed at least one stable strain over the course of 5 years or so, many inbred crosses as well as backcrosses with photo parents will hopefully pay off with a higher yielding, less "ruderal" range of genetics.
will take a while, but its all worth having quality. i just wish more people saw this advantage, mdanzig seeds and short stuff are going to most likely be the seedbanks im going to use for my auto genetics, as far as potency goes theyre pushing the limits.
however, im trying to stay away from the short compact autos, i feel like a regular photo thatll flower 12/12 from seed would produce more than some of the lowryder grows ive seen. any suggestions as far as autos go?

I did a few kinds and to be honest they will yeild the same as a 12/12 from seed grow In the few runs I tried. I did pineapple auto..very nice high, great taste. 1 1/2 zips per plant. ladiva..great taste..oh my god was it yummie..not a big yeilder, big devil ..Good taste and wow factor of super size cola. northren lights auto was another good taste. good high ..I would grow any of those again. and wnt to grow em this summer outside just to have smoke till end of season

ohmy said:

I did a few kinds and to be honest they will yeild the same as a 12/12 from seed grow In the few runs I tried. I did pineapple auto..very nice high, great taste. 1 1/2 zips per plant. ladiva..great taste..oh my god was it yummie..not a big yeilder, big devil ..Good taste and wow factor of super size cola. northren lights auto was another good taste. good high ..I would grow any of those again. and wnt to grow em this summer outside just to have smoke till end of season

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nice, as an outdoor grower id love to have a plant that flowers under any light condition. have also heard great things about big devil, but jet 47 from flash seeds was also pretty appealing, looked like 5 branches with quarter buds on each. waiting 2 or 2 1/2 months for a 1-2 oz isnt a problem for me at all, especially if its potent shit. thanks for the info

What ever happened here? Did you try crossing an auto with a photo to make a fast finisher? I'm planning to make a personal autoflowering strain from a long hoarded super elite photo strain I was fortunate to luck upon. Everyone's using lowryder#2 as the auto parent, this is the #1 auto strain private breeders use to make their new strains.

Maravillosa said:

What ever happened here? Did you try crossing an auto with a photo to make a fast finisher? I'm planning to make a personal autoflowering strain from a long hoarded super elite photo strain I was fortunate to luck upon. Everyone's using lowryder#2 as the auto parent, this is the #1 auto strain private breeders use to make their new strains.

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im still in my collecting stage at the moment, this thread was more thinking aloud and giving people a chance to tell me what they think about the crosses. ill get to breeding these soon, FL is bound to be legal in the next year or two and if not ill find a location for the project. and secret gardens OGRE looks like a good auto imo.

Keep me posted bc I deff wanna learn how to clone and I'm starting my closet grow right after Xmas any advanced technique you could teach me

Just checking for an update

smokerscough92 said:

Keep me posted bc I deff wanna learn how to clone and I'm starting my closet grow right after Xmas any advanced technique you could teach me

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aeroponic cloning systems are faster with rooting imo but with hydro/aeroponics you always have to keep an eye out for pH, nutrient burn or deficiency(as opposed to using organic nutes that are harder to burn plants with) and theres plenty of other things that can go wrong too if you miss a day or two. i personally still like using clone gel/powder and rockwool, i keep them in a moisture dome under a T5 for about 5 days until they start perking up, then i crack the dome to let them ease off of foliar feeding and encourage use of roots. throughout cloning keep an eye out for mold, leaves touching each other in this humidity can have this result. and make sure the cubes are moist not like soaked. a 1/6 dose of superthrive in your foliar is also good, another step to making your rockwool more root friendly is to soak them in compost teas, mycorrhyzae and other beneficial root bacteria are helpful during this process.

The #1 thing about clones is keeping the humidity High 75-99 %. This keeps them from wilting long enough to produce roots(5-10 days). You don't really need all the rooting agents although they do help.

smokerscough92 said:

Keep me posted bc I deff wanna learn how to clone and I'm starting my closet grow right after Xmas any advanced technique you could teach me

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crispypb840 said:

The #1 thing about clones is keeping the humidity High 75-99 %. This keeps them from wilting long enough to produce roots(5-10 days). You don't really need all the rooting agents although they do help.

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very true about the rooting agents, ive left cuts on the ground by accident and theyve rooted, given i do live in florida so i had my humidity covered lol.