Trumps in trouble, time to play race card!

Herb & Suds

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Half was kind of a ballpark statement but just look at the graphs. USA is blowing everyone else away as far as number of immigrants/year.


Theres a shit load of info on several websites.... Thats just the first one that came up.
Odd but then again this nation was built by them
 

JoeBlow5823

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Why take offense to people for example being upset about people treating them subhuman and say if they don't like it go home? When their home is in America. Telling them to go back to their 'own country' is likewise dumb because they live in America.
Thats not my stance. Treating people as subhumans, racism, etc are wrong and things that do happen that we need to work on but they are not nearly as big of an issue as people make it out to be. Personally I am a hell of a lot more concerned with things like the amount of pollution China and India (Asia/Middle East) are allowed to pump into the oceans/atmosphere than racism in America.

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JoeBlow5823

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Odd but then again this nation was built by them
This nation was built by all of us.

The population of America has only increased from 250 to 330 million from 1990-2020 (~30% increase) yet the number of immigrants has over doubled (~110% increase). People just want to be mad about anything and everything without ever looking at any of the data.
 

hanimmal

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Half was kind of a ballpark statement but just look at the graphs. USA is blowing everyone else away as far as number of immigrants/year.


Theres a shit load of info on several websites.... Thats just the first one that came up.
The title was immigrant, but the chart is referring to migrants, I am not sure how they are differentiating 'migrants' with 'immigrants', but I would think it has a lot to do with our farming industry getting massive amount of migrant workers that come in during the summer and go back home in the winter when work dries up.

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Thats not my stance. Treating people as subhumans, racism, etc are wrong and things that do happen that we need to work on but they are not nearly as big of an issue as people make it out to be. Personally I am a hell of a lot more concerned with things like the amount of pollution China and India (Asia/Middle East) are allowed to pump into the oceans/atmosphere than racism in America.

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I can get behind you with that. I wouldn't look at 'mismanaged' plastic waste (not that it is not a very important thing to look at), it seems like total plastic production/use would be more important since it doesn't go away. We need to get a lot cleaner.

This nation was built by all of us.

The population of America has only increased from 250 to 330 million from 1990-2020 (~30% increase) yet the number of immigrants has over doubled (~110% increase). People just want to be mad about anything and everything without ever looking at any of the data.
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idk interesting chart. I am pro-immigration, it helps us all in the long run. People shouldn't be short sighted and just think of the first people that move here and realize it is their children and grandkids that become productive members of our society that we greatly benefit from (more than anything the people needed to get to their best selves in our nation).
 

Fogdog

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Half was kind of a ballpark statement but just look at the graphs. USA is blowing everyone else away as far as number of immigrants/year.


Theres a shit load of info on several websites.... Thats just the first one that came up.
Just want to point out that your earlier posts that defined Hispanic people as wetbacks is false. Most Hispanic people living in the US were born here.

Regarding right-wing hysteria about immigration, this country depends on immigrants to keep its economy expanding. Do you have a problem with that? Then again, there is this:

Compared with other countries receiving immigrants, the share of the U.S. population that is foreign born is modest. About one-in-seven people living in the United States (14%) were born in other countries, a near-historic record. By way of comparison, about one-in-five people in Canada (22%) are foreign born. In Australia, it’s nearly three-in-ten people (28%). And in some Persian Gulf countries such as Qatar (75%) and United Arab Emirates (88%), the great majority of their resident populations are immigrants, many who have been actively recruited as foreign labor.


So, what's your point about immigration, again?
 

Fogdog

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Thats not my stance. Treating people as subhumans, racism, etc are wrong and things that do happen that we need to work on but they are not nearly as big of an issue as people make it out to be. Personally I am a hell of a lot more concerned with things like the amount of pollution China and India (Asia/Middle East) are allowed to pump into the oceans/atmosphere than racism in America.

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So, 5% of the world's population produce the 11th highest amount of pollution and trash. Thanks for the horrible statistic about the US.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/04/trumps-bizarro-world-white-resentment-calling-out-racism-is-itself-racist/
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President Trump’s command that the Proud Boys “stand back and stand by” wasn’t his only racially incendiary rhetoric at last week’s presidential debate. Trump also attacked anti-bias training for federal workers as “racist” and “absolutely insane.” This screed may have been more insidious because it reflects plans that the administration is already unleashing.

In recent executive orders, Trump prohibited concepts such as “critical race theory” and “white privilege” from even being discussed in federal instructional programs. The Sept. 22 executive order on Combating Race and Sex Stereotyping bans diversity training that is “rooted in the pernicious and false belief that America is an irredeemably racist and sexist country.” The order applies not only to federal employees but also to corporations doing business with the government.

Actions speak louder than words — even when words border on hate speech. This is how Trump operationalizes white supremacy, wielding the vast resources of the U.S. government in service of lies about history and culture.

At the debate, Trump claimed that racial-sensitivity training taught people to “hate our country” and that he’s “not going to allow that.” He said “a lot of people were complaining,” by which he may have meant commentators on Fox News.

It’s possible that Trump had not heard of critical race theory before conservative media harped on it. This effort is of a piece with his unusually transparent exploitation of racial grievance as he campaigns. He recently retweeted a post that said, “Sorry liberals! How to be Anti-White 101 is permanently cancelled!”

Federal agencies have their marching orders. Last month, the Education Department opened an investigation of Princeton University for civil rights violations. The university’s sin? Its president, Christopher Eisgruber, has lately acknowledged that the university for “most of its history, intentionally and systematically excluded people of color, women, Jews, and other minorities.” According to the Education Department, these “admissions” are “serious, even shocking” and could result in Princeton being ordered to pay back $75 million in research grants and other federal funds it has received since Eisgruber became president.

On Sept. 28, the director of the Office of Management and Budget sent a memo to the heads of federal offices ordering them to scour training materials for phrases such as “systemic racism” and “unconscious bias” because “these terms may help to identify the type of training prohibited.”

In the bizarro world of White resentment — where Trump is certainly commander in chief — acknowledging racism is itself racist. In this view, the problem isn’t just sensitivity training that veers into political correctness. The letter to Princeton flagged the university’s openness “to a new range of students from communities disproportionately affected by systemic racism and related forms of disadvantage.” To Trump, that’s a problem.

The Proud Boys could not have better engineered this takeover of federal training. Yes, the group claims not to be racist. This is like when Trump tweets, “I don’t have a Racist bone in my body!” As the joke goes, they may not actually be white supremacists, but white supremacists sure think they are. What does it mean when even former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke — another ardent fan whom Trump had trouble disavowing — resists being labeled racist?

Critical race theory is an intellectual movement that started on law campuses and spread to history, education and sociology departments, among others. It began as an effort to understand why, decades after civil rights had been granted to African Americans, things had not much improved. Laws had been passed barring discrimination, but Black Americans continued to experience discrimination in every market we enter — whether trying to get a taxi or trying to get a mortgage.

Theorists argue that law had been effective in stigmatizing racism — hence even Duke doesn’t want to be called the “r” word — but that civil rights had not succeeded in ending racial subordination because anti-Blackness is embedded in systems, such as law enforcement, real estate or school districting, that might seem colorblind but in practice are not. The route to real racial justice requires understanding, and rooting out, this dynamic. Such insights have transformed practices as varied as law enforcement training and how corporations think about diversity and inclusion.

To Trump, however, critical race theory is a “Marxist doctrine holding that America is a wicked and racist nation.” It represents “deceptions, falsehoods and lies” by “left-wing mobs.” And he’s not having it.

Elections, of course, have consequences. One consequence of the 2016 election is that Trump has authority over what more than 2 million federal employees are officially taught — and not taught — about race. Sit with that for a minute. These workers provide the services of the federal government to all Americans. Trump’s cultural revolution also infects job training for the millions more employed by government contractors. While the Proud Boys “stand by,” the Trump administration has been working steadily away.
 

hanimmal

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Microsoft says the U.S. Labor Department is scrutinizing its efforts to boost Black employment and leadership at the tech company.

Microsoft disclosed in a blog post Tuesday that it received a letter from the agency last week asking about the company’s June pledge to double the number of Black and African American managers, senior individual contributors and senior leaders by 2025.

“The letter asked us to prove that the actions we are taking to improve opportunities are not illegal race-based decisions,” said Dev Stahlkopf, Microsoft’s general counsel. “Emphatically, they are not.”

CEO Satya Nadella made the June hiring commitment in response to Black Lives Matter protests around the country and as part of a broader message to employees about racial injustice and promoting a culture of inclusivity at the Redmond, Washington-based company.

It’s not uncommon for tech companies to publicly tout efforts to increase staff diversity, given the industry’s longstanding dearth of Black, Latino and female workers in technical and leadership positions. But this time they are running into scrutiny by a Trump administration that has sought to intervene with universities and other institutions over their approach to race and discrimination.

President Donald Trump signed an executive order last month “to combat offensive and anti-American race and sex stereotyping and scapegoating” in the federal workforce and among federal contractors. Microsoft is a major federal contractor, supplying its Office workplace software and cloud computing services to multiple government agencies.

Labor Department representatives didn’t immediately respond to emails seeking comment Tuesday.

The Trump administration’s move contrasts a flurry of efforts by private companies and institutions to increase racial diversity in the wake of the Black Lives Matters protests. There has been a particular emphasis on bringing more African Americans into leadership positions.

More than 40 private and publicly traded companies have joined a pledge to add at least one Black member to their board of directors by 2021. Target last month pledged to increase the representation of its Black employees by 20% over the next three years. Goldman Sachs announced an initiative to recruit more bankers and traders from historically Black colleges. Other firms that have announced similar hiring or promotion goals include Salesforce, Mastercard and Accenture.

Glassdoor, the jobs site that allows users to review their employers anonymously, added new feature to allow users to rate companies on their diversity and inclusion initiatives. The company said the feature was added partly in response to a 63% spike in reviews mention diversity over the summer, following protests over the police killing of George Floyd.

 
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hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-discrimination-lawsuits-laws-archive-b61755f939bac6c085dbcb2b11e1096a
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department sued Yale University on Thursday, weeks after prosecutors found the university was illegally discriminating against Asian American and white applicants, in violation of federal civil rights law.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in Connecticut, alleges Yale “discriminates based on race and national origin in its undergraduate admissions process, and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year.”

It comes about two months after the Justice Department publicly accused Yale of discrimination, saying its investigation found that Asian American and white students have “only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials.”

Yale called the lawsuit “baseless” and said its admissions practices are fair and lawful. A statement from the university president said Yale will not change its admissions practices as a result of the suit.

“As our country grapples with urgent questions about race and social justice, I have never been more certain that Yale’s approach to undergraduate admissions helps us to fulfill our mission to improve the world today and for future generations,” president Peter Salovey wrote.

The action from the Justice Department is the latest by the Trump administration in a long-running effort aimed at rooting out discrimination in the college application process, following complaints from students about the application process at some Ivy League colleges.

The Justice Department’s investigation — which stemmed from a 2016 complaint against Yale, Brown and Dartmouth — also found that Yale uses race as a factor in multiple steps of the admissions process and that Yale “racially balances its classes,” officials said.

“All persons who apply for admission to colleges and universities should expect and know that they will be judged by their character, talents, and achievements and not the color of their skin,” said Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband, who runs the department’s civil rights division. “To do otherwise is to permit our institutions to foster stereotypes, bitterness, and division.”

In August, the Justice Department demanded that Yale immediately stop and agree not to use race or national origin for upcoming admissions, but officials said the university refused.

The Supreme Court has ruled colleges and universities may consider race in admissions decisions but has said that must be done in a narrowly tailored way to promote diversity and should be limited in time. Schools also bear the burden of showing why their consideration of race is appropriate.

Yale has said its practices comply with decades of Supreme Court precedent and that it considers a multitude of factors and looks at “the whole person when selecting whom to admit among the many thousands of highly qualified applicants.”
 

hanimmal

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American companies promising to hire more Black employees in leadership roles and teach their workforce about racism are getting a message from President Donald Trump’s administration: Watch your step if you want to keep doing business with the federal government.

Trump’s Labor Department is using a 55-year-old presidential order spurred by the Civil Rights Movement to scrutinize companies like Microsoft and Wells Fargo over their public commitments to diversity. Government letters sent last week warned both companies against using “discriminatory practices” to meet their goals.

Microsoft has brushed off the warnings, publicly disclosing the government inquiry and defending its plan to boost Black leadership.

But advocates for corporate diversity initiatives worry that more cautious executives will halt or scale back efforts to make their workplaces more inclusive out of fear that a wrong step could jeopardize lucrative public contracts. The agency has oversight over the hiring practices of thousands of federal contractors that employ roughly a quarter of all American workers.

“For tech companies that don’t care about these issues, the pronouncements are a dog whistle that they can carry on discriminating the way they already have,” said Laszlo Bock, an executive who ran Google’s human resources division for more than a decade and now leads software startup Humu.

Bock said those who do care, however, will see Trump’s actions as political “sound and fury” that will be hard to enforce.

“It’s not at all illegal to strive to have a workforce that reflects the makeup of your nation,” Bock said.

Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson’s 1965 order was designed to “adjust the imbalances of hiring that are a legacy of our racist past,” said employment attorney and public contracting expert Daniel Abrahams.

“Trump is turning it around into an instrument of white grievances,” he added.

The president has also ordered the Labor Department to set up a new hotline to investigate complaints about anti-racism training sessions that Trump has called “anti-American” and “blame-focused.” The order signed last month calls attention to discussions of deep-seated racism and privilege that could make white workers feel “discomfort” or guilt.

Trade groups representing the tech and pharmaceutical industries are protesting Trump’s new order, saying it would restrict free speech and interfere with private sector efforts to combat systemic racism.

Trump’s executive order is a twist on Johnson’s 1965 directive and amendments that followed that set rules banning discriminatory practices at companies that contract with the federal government. It requires contractors to take “affirmative action” to open the doors to hiring minorities and women.

But the Labor Department is raising questions about the specificity of commitments made by executives addressing racial injustice in response to the wave of Black Lives Matter protests that followed May’s police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said in June that the tech company would double the number of Black and African American managers, senior individual contributors and senior leaders by 2025. Wells Fargo CEO Charles Scharf made a similar commitment in June to doubling Black leadership over the next five years.

Abrahams said he doubts that the Labor Department has much of a case against companies that are trying to boost diversity, though “there’s some discrimination against white people that’s probably actionable,” and courts have danced around the question of what happens when employers set “inflexible” targets for racial quotas.

But he said it’s more likely the Trump administration is using the move as a political tactic ahead of the presidential election. Trump has criticized workplace training that he says is based on critical race theory, or the idea that racism is systemic in the U.S.

Dozens of companies have ramped up their efforts to bring more Black and other minority employees into their ranks since the protests over Floyd’s death shook the country and triggered a national reckoning over racism. Many have announced initiatives specifically targeting the African American community.

The CEOs of the 27 largest employers in New York — including Amazon and J.P. Morgan — formed a coalition to recruit 100,000 people from low-income Black, Hispanic and Asian communities in the city by 2030. More than 40 companies have joined a pledge to add at least one Black member to their board of directors by 2021.

Several other top government contractors have set numeric goals for adding Black or Latino employees, including consulting firms Accenture and Deloitte.

Johnny Taylor, the CEO of the Society for Human Resource Management, said he has asked for a conference with U.S. Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia to seek clarity about the intention of the inquiries.

“I want them to ensure the companies are complying with the law but that investigation doesn’t result in a chilling effect on diversity and inclusion programs,” said Taylor, whose organization represents 300,000 human resource professionals across the world.

Taylor said he believed the policies announced by Microsoft and Wells Fargo amounted to aspirational goals, rather than quotas based on race. But he said announcing numbers may have opened companies to discrimination complaints.

Companies can protect themselves against claims of discrimination by widening their applicant pool to ensure a large enough number of qualified minority candidates, said Mabel Abraham, an assistant professor of management at Columbia University. The challenge, she said, is that companies have to show they have measurable diversity goals to attract talented minority applicants in the first place.

“Companies that are going to get the applicants are the ones that actually have minorities in top roles and that are putting out messages of race and diversity,” she said. “It’s a chicken-and-egg problem.”

The latest actions affecting contractors align with a broader Trump administration trend on matters of race.

The Education Department last month opened an investigation into racial bias at Princeton University over the school’s recent acknowledgment of racism on campus, and on Thursday, the Justice Department sued Yale University, weeks after prosecutors found the university was illegally discriminating against Asian American and white applicants, in violation of federal civil rights law.

Trump’s newest executive order also applies to educational institutions that receive federal funding. At least one university, the University of Iowa, suspended its diversity efforts in response the order.

Liz Tovar, the university’s interim associate vice president of diversity, equity and inclusion, said the decision was taken because of “the seriousness of the penalties for non-compliance with the order, which include the loss of federal funding.”
 

hanimmal

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No, I meant Fifty Cent. He endorsed Trump thereby no longer being black per Biden. There is no need to be so abrasive, we are just talking politics here, there will be disagreement
Dig the guy's music.

Wonder what rabbit hole led him to think that Trump is in anyway a good idea. It defiantly is not in the best interest of the income bracket he left a long time ago.

I would suggest listening to the entire interview Biden had instead of a slick soundbite.


Trump knows the game you are playing very well.

But I give credit to Trump's understanding of trolling, joking always goes down bad after the slick editing.
 

JoeBlow5823

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joking always goes down bad after the slick editing.
That was a pretty seamless clip. Not sure what editing you are referring to but seriously, the idea of him trying to what, strong hold the white house? Come the fuck on. If he loses, he will step down with honor as every president has done and will continue to do.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That was a pretty seamless clip. Not sure what editing you are referring to but seriously, the idea of him trying to what, strong hold the white house? Come the fuck on. If he loses, he will step down with honor as every president has done and will continue to do.
Trump has no honor and you no judgement of character.
 

JoeBlow5823

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You haven't figured out Donald is a psychopathic moron with an IQ of 78 yet? Completely fucked up the covid response and killed over 200,000 Americans with an infection rate 5 times per capita higher than that of Canada?
Comparing Canada to USA.... wow. The amount of travel and size of major cities in USA dwarfs Canada so many times over. Yeah, a country that is sparsely populated and vastly spread out is not as heavily impacted by a highly contagious virus. No shit. Compare the number of flights from China to Canada and China to USA and then get back to me.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Comparing Canada to USA.... wow. The amount of travel and size of major cities in USA dwarfs Canada so many times over. Yeah, a country that is sparsely populated and vastly spread out is not as heavily impacted by a highly contagious virus. No shit. Compare the number of flights from China to Canada and China to USA and then get back to me.
The USA has about 8.6 times the population and the vast majority of the Canadian population lives less than 100 miles from the US border in a strip across the continent and in cities too, just like America. You can directly compare the covid responses, in fact Canada is the closest model to America for covid.
 
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