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Trump and his allies, including his personal lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, accuse Biden of using his position as vice president and point man on relations with Kyiv in 2016 to help Burisma -- a Ukrainian energy company that was paying Biden's son Hunter, who was on its board of directors -- avoid damage from a criminal investigation.
They assert that Shokin was overseeing an active criminal investigation into Burisma and that Biden at the time told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that the United States would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.
But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.
Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.
Biden did demand that Shokin be removed. At an event at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in 2018, Biden seemed to boast about it, saying that during a visit to Kyiv -- likely in December 2015 -- he told Ukrainian officials: "We're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money."
However, there are two big problems with the narrative presented by Trump and Giuliani, according to activists in Ukraine and others.
For one thing, Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption advocates who were pushing for an investigation into the dealings of Burisma and its owner, Mykola Zlochevskiy, said the probe had been dormant long before Biden leveled his demand.
"There was no pressure from anyone from the United States" to close the case against Zlochevskiy, Vitaliy Kasko, who was a deputy prosecutor-general under Shokin and is now first deputy prosecutor-general, told Bloomberg News in May. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015," he added.
Activists say the case had been sabotaged by Shokin himself. As an example, they say two months before Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board, British authorities had requested information from Shokin's office as part of an investigation into alleged money laundering by Zlochevskiy. Shokin ignored them.
Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.
"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.
Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.
But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.
They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.
In a column published days after Shokin was fired in March 2016, Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington, wrote that his dismissal came as no surprise.
"The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so long," Aslund said. "Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage even to Ukraine's substandard legal system."
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BudmanTX
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it's defintely gonna open some door, that i can say, maybe these women can now stand up against the orange dummy:
and there are a few more in the Epstien List too, that would like a crack at him as well
Fogdog
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huh? That's a clear example of a false equivalence and distortion of the truth.
Joe was conducting an act that was in the interests of the US government when he did told Ukraine he wouldn't approve disbursement of those funds and put them at risk of being stolen by a corrupt Ukrainian official. Regarding the act that got him his first impeachment, It was clear that Trump was using US funds that were designated to fund US national security to coerce a political favor from the Ukrainian government. Republican Senators didn't even try to defend Trump's act when they chose to make up legal garbage to excuse Trump from his clearly corrupt act.
These are facts that require no interpretation. It's all on the record. Anybody, even a Trump supporter, can read and understand them.
Fogdog
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As long as we have Gym Jordan for them to cite, they don't need any stinking facts.Trump and his allies, including his personal lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, accuse Biden of using his position as vice president and point man on relations with Kyiv in 2016 to help Burisma -- a Ukrainian energy company that was paying Biden's son Hunter, who was on its board of directors -- avoid damage from a criminal investigation.
They assert that Shokin was overseeing an active criminal investigation into Burisma and that Biden at the time told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that the United States would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.
But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.
Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.
Biden did demand that Shokin be removed. At an event at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in 2018, Biden seemed to boast about it, saying that during a visit to Kyiv -- likely in December 2015 -- he told Ukrainian officials: "We're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money."
However, there are two big problems with the narrative presented by Trump and Giuliani, according to activists in Ukraine and others.
For one thing, Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption advocates who were pushing for an investigation into the dealings of Burisma and its owner, Mykola Zlochevskiy, said the probe had been dormant long before Biden leveled his demand.
"There was no pressure from anyone from the United States" to close the case against Zlochevskiy, Vitaliy Kasko, who was a deputy prosecutor-general under Shokin and is now first deputy prosecutor-general, told Bloomberg News in May. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015," he added.
Activists say the case had been sabotaged by Shokin himself. As an example, they say two months before Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board, British authorities had requested information from Shokin's office as part of an investigation into alleged money laundering by Zlochevskiy. Shokin ignored them.
Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.
"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.
Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.
But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.
They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.
In a column published days after Shokin was fired in March 2016, Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington, wrote that his dismissal came as no surprise.
"The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so long," Aslund said. "Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage even to Ukraine's substandard legal system."
Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington
U.S. President Donald Trump asserts that Joe Biden pushed for the ouster of Ukraine’s chief prosecutor to quash a probe into a Burisma, a gas company with Biden's son on its board. Officials and anti-corruption activists in Kyiv say Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin had shelved the case long...
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The money machine: how a high-profile corruption investigation fell apart
The long read: After a revolution overthrew Ukraine’s disgraced president, Theresa May promised to help the country’s new leaders recover stolen assets. But the UK’s first case collapsed within a year
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DIY-HP-LED
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Trump will have to deposit a lot of cash in order to appeal, like he did the last time, maybe the whole amount of the settlement? The art of the deal as a poker game and she is holding all the aces, and he is holding the jokers, and they don't count in court. Will Donald fold or deposit a lot more cash with the court.
Can he raise the cash from his fans with a special email appeal to his mailing list? Perhaps some new scam? She might get the cash before election day and could even sue him again, perhaps. A Biden donor?
Can he raise the cash from his fans with a special email appeal to his mailing list? Perhaps some new scam? She might get the cash before election day and could even sue him again, perhaps. A Biden donor?
compassionateExotic
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if I was one of those woman or someone who has been sexually harassed by trump this is def the time to talk to a lawyer and rip trump a new one!
he deserves this and than some
if I was one of those woman or someone who has been sexually harassed by trump this is def the time to talk to a lawyer and rip trump a new one!
he deserves this and than some
DIY-HP-LED
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They are uncovering ongoing fraud and when Engoron cleans him out, the criminal indictments will begin, he can't do this shit without breaking NY criminal law too.
Bad Karma
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So I’m a pro wrestling fan and have been all of my life.
I don’t know if any of you have heard what has happened regarding Vince McMahon stepping down from WWE and the incredible allegations him.
Long story short, he hired, and sexually preyed on a woman one third his age.
When I say sexually, I mean three ways with other employees, trafficking her to some employees for sexual favors, and even shitting on her head. No, I’m not making that up.
He also coerced her into to sending him explicit pic/vids that he then shared with “thousands of people” according to Vince’s own leaked text.
WWE is cleaning house right now, getting rid of any one closely associated with Vince. They’re also getting rid of people that might have been in his text message circle’s receiving images/vids of the young woman and knew what was going on.
Why? Because they were participating in a sex crime.
The reason I bring this up here, what if Trump is found to be part of these text messages?
He’s very good friends with Vince and the way McMahon was pimping this girl out to people I really can’t say it’s out of the realm of possibly.
If Trump was implicated in this, would anyone actually care?
https://www.wsj.com/business/vince-mcmahon-accused-of-sex-trafficking-by-wwe-staffer-he-paid-to-keep-quiet-0b19b21c
I don’t know if any of you have heard what has happened regarding Vince McMahon stepping down from WWE and the incredible allegations him.
Long story short, he hired, and sexually preyed on a woman one third his age.
When I say sexually, I mean three ways with other employees, trafficking her to some employees for sexual favors, and even shitting on her head. No, I’m not making that up.
He also coerced her into to sending him explicit pic/vids that he then shared with “thousands of people” according to Vince’s own leaked text.
WWE is cleaning house right now, getting rid of any one closely associated with Vince. They’re also getting rid of people that might have been in his text message circle’s receiving images/vids of the young woman and knew what was going on.
Why? Because they were participating in a sex crime.
The reason I bring this up here, what if Trump is found to be part of these text messages?
He’s very good friends with Vince and the way McMahon was pimping this girl out to people I really can’t say it’s out of the realm of possibly.
If Trump was implicated in this, would anyone actually care?
https://www.wsj.com/business/vince-mcmahon-accused-of-sex-trafficking-by-wwe-staffer-he-paid-to-keep-quiet-0b19b21c
DIY-HP-LED
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Trump's buddies all seem to be cut from the same cloth.
cannabineer
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DIY-HP-LED
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They can make devastating ads that hit hard emotionally, at least for non-republicans who still support this shit and can ignore it and a lot of other things.
DIY-HP-LED
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All she can do is sit back and hope Donald deposits the money to appeal the verdict, then she is sure to get a big pay day in the not-too-distant future. If she has no apparent heirs, then enjoy life and do some good with the money to make yourself really happy and leave a positive legacy. I hear Tuscany is lovely and free of those pesky Trump supporters.
DIY-HP-LED
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Look for a similar picture of Trump in the future, he will be appearing in court as a convicted felon too, maybe on TV.
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DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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She can bait him too and take advantage of his mental deficiencies. Maybe it might not matter, since his money is gone anyway by the time the civil courts are done with him.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Dorian2
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Fogdog
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aww shucks. I was just riffing and got lucky with a random bit.
Not that the idea came out of nowhere, It's something that a good person would do and it turns out the E. Jean Carrol is a good person. With all the shitty things going on right now, it's nice to see somebody think of others when they come upon good fortune.