NLXSK1
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You keep saying Republican idea like it is a good thing... I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN......
We need free market healthcare, not big government healthcare run by either party.
Dumbass...
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You keep saying Republican idea like it is a good thing... I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN......
We need free market healthcare, not big government healthcare run by either party.
Dumbass...
ChesusRice
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We have Free market healthcare right now you stupid ass
Dr Kynes
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no. we have captive market healthcare.
we can either nationalize medical treatment and pay for it through taxes, so the patient doesnt pay directly, or we can eliminate the medical insurance companies and let a real market develop, probably through private membership hospitals like Kaiser, or continue with the current system: a confusing patchwork of insurance companies who only approve certain treatments in certain hospitals for their paying clients, and everybody else gets pushed onto state funded indigent medical programs.
O-Care is More Of The Same, plus mandates, and more people being forced into indigent services which are already overburdened.
UncleBuck
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Presence-of-Mind-Blue-Sky-Thinking.html
first signed into law by george hw b0oooo00ooo00oooo0ooo0oosh in 1990.
yes you are.
cheerlead for romeny, and you are a republican.
cheerlead for obama, and you are a democrat.
why am i a dumbass when the rest of the world and their comparatively cheaper, universal health care disproves what you think we need?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
No... We.... Dont....
Try to buy insurance across state lines... Oh wait, try to buy health insurance. For some reason it is illegal and companies cannot sell across state lines. That is one in a mountain of regulations preventing free markets from working. Healthcare is one of the fields that has not been free from government intervention for a long time.
Look at lasix eye surgery. Why does it get cheaper every year when everything else gets more expensive?? Hint... It is not covered by government health care plans...
UncleBuck
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aspirin has been getting cheaper too.
tell us how "free market" the rest of the world does healthcare while clocking in at a lower cost and universal coverage.
see4
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Please define you idea of free market healthcare, then please describe what we had prior to Obamacare, then conclude your thoughts with what you think Obamacare is.
If you can do that without pointing fingers or name calling, I will consider reading your entire post and take you seriously. I will listen to what you have to say. Then one of us will respond.
see4
Well-Known Member
We have insurance that is from another state. A state that participates in the federal marketplace. How about your state join the federal marketplace?
re: bolded part - Please cite law.
see4
Well-Known Member
Please define what captive market healthcare is.
There are more ways to fund healthcare at a national level than just the two you have proposed, please do not sell your argument short by only providing bias examples.
Please describe to us your ideal healthcare market system. Including things like consumer protection and corporate governance, etc, etc. Thanks!
GOD HERE
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There's no such thing as a free market, it's an oxymoron. That's code for letting a few individuals who gather the most wealth and power have a monopoly on the rest of society. It doesn't mean average like people you and I are free to do what we wish, it means those who have consolidated the wealth, property, and power are free to restrict the freedoms of the rest of us. It's amazing to see these idiotic voluntaryist ideas go main stream.
But there's another contradiction in what you said. States have passed laws regulating the insurance industry, hence there are different requirements in different states. So which do you want? A "free" market? Or states rights?
heckler73
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That's a bad example if your argument is "Free-markets FTW!!"
Productivity gains--i.e. lower prices--from a technological advance (whose genesis was under big government in the first place) cannot be properly attributed to economic paradigms, sorry.
If anything, the consumer benefit can be ascribed to Moore's Law and China, and fuzzily outlined human desires of progress.
see4
Well-Known Member
I am going to thoroughly enjoy his answer. Hopefully he can stay on track, not finger point and come up with a rational thought.
UncleBuck
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hee kant haz tawking poynt?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
I want markets with much less legislation, lawsuits and insurance involvement. I want competition and up front pricing.
You act like there is only 2 choices.
see4
Well-Known Member
How do you suppose people will pay for their medical care without insurance 'involvement'? Are you suggesting to cut the throats of doctors and hospitals, by driving down costs?
Please explain what will be competitively priced.
GOD HERE
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Yes there are only two choices. Either you restrict the states' ability to pass certain types of laws, making you some kind of right wing (national) socialist, or you allow the normal democratic process where people vote based on what they believe needs to be regulated and what doesn't need regulation.
The third option is you live in a fantasy land where there's a free market without government intervention, but then you (the government intervention fairy) intervenes and decides to limit democracy in order to maintain your fantasy market.
echelon1k1
New Member
One is a terrorist the other was driving in a car to get some skittles and it got droned...
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
try and get admitted to a hospital without insurance lately? even if you can pay cash, most medical groups want that magic insurance card.
without insurance or indigent care programs everybody else is left with their dicks in their hands. i dont qualify for the indigent medical program (Medi-Cal), and cannot afford insurance coverage, so all i can do is hope i dont get sick.
thats a captive market. you either have the right pass for access or you cannot get in.
O-care doesnt change shit for me, i still cant afford the costs, but now they plan on fining me for being too "rich" for "Medi-Cal", but too poor for Blue Cross or Kaiser.
your demand that i create a system which covers all eventualities is ridiculous since nobody else has come up with one yet either.
theres still only 2 choices national healthcare systems, or insurance/indigent coverage with everybody between poverty and "comfortably well off" being FUCKED.
ChesusRice
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take it up with the 50 states insurance commissioners that regulate the laws of that state
and nothing is preventing any insurance company from doing business in any state
Lasic gets cheaper for the same reason Xrays and MRIs get cheaper
More machines on the market
