toro style chinese tubes?

so i was looking for a slide for my mom and i see a toro style tube 7/13 perc 21"
for $199 shipped....
i haven't been to my lhs in days
are these new? think i can find one for less than $199?
im in nor cal...

inb4 Chinese glass sucks....i don't want a usa/chinese glass fight here...
im sure a real toro would be made better....
but yeah the Chinese one isn't $650

when it comes to bongs you usually get what you pay for so it wont be as good but you will have 400 dollars more

lol dude who the fuck pays retail for toros. go on BM and find one for 400 bucks.

CrownMeKing said:

lol dude who the fuck pays retail for toros. go on BM and find one for 500 bucks.

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^^This times a million!!

The difference is...the china glass model will break the first time you bump it on somthin. The 700 dollar ones can be dropped on the floor from 6 ft and not break. yea BM you can get used ones for 4-500.

so i checked out boromarket and am i right that they want $50 to see threads?

SenorBrownWater said:

so i checked out boromarket and am i right that they want $50 to see threads?

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yeah dude, forgot to mention that, but its worth it for the deals and glass you get to see

CrownMeKing said:

yeah dude, forgot to mention that, but its worth it for the deals and glass you get to see

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My first day on boromarket > purchased a toro circ ashcatcher for 90$ shipped. 90+50 = 140. 140 = still a good price for the ashcatcher. 50$ membership fee = worth it

i think there is some prejudice here...people get a idea in there head,and they can't shake it...
imports ARE getting better...
[video=youtube;7mdATGyziIY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mdATGyziIY[/video]

i have seen these online starting @ $50

wheezer said:

The difference is...the china glass model will break the first time you bump it on somthin. The 700 dollar ones can be dropped on the floor from 6 ft and not break. yea BM you can get used ones for 4-500.

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dude, you do know all joints and stems are made in china right? and thats usually where they break

Actually no, not all stems and fittings are made in china. Most us artists don't use Chinese fittings. They are thinner than German ones. And glass alchemist makes colored/clear fittings in the USA. U think scientists are using Chinese fittings with there crazy gases and liquids. Nope. Thick German fittings for the win. I've seen medi trails knockoff toros and they are cheap looking. Joints chip easy and welds are poor. Some import isn't bad until you get to perks. Then Chinese ones suck. They break off in the tube. I have people bring me in ones all the time for repair. Tree perks by china are the worst.
and your toro is going to be worth close to retail if not more in 5 years. Your Chinese one will be broke. Trust me. I've been blowing glass for 7 years. High end collectible glass holds its value. Some goes up depending on the artist. Jp from toro is a master glass blower.