Red1966
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The treaty doesn't take away Iran's ability to procure nukes, it only delays it by 1 year, if they honor it. Big "if"
Top Iranian official " destruction of Israel is unnegotiable "
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Padawanbater2
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But how do the current negotiations permit that? How will Iran build a bomb if they are required to reduce current supplies by 97% and not enrich over 3% when 90% is required to build a bomb?
See above
90% required, less than 3% allowed. How will they build a bomb with only 3% enrichment?
Also, you seem to think the deal is based on trust.. Completely wrong. All of Iran's nuclear facilities are subject to inspections and the sanctions don't see relief until they pass initial inspections of all facilities and the sanctions can snap back into place at any time if they violate the terms of the agreement, so why would they agree to the deal only to avoid their responsibilities? They wouldn't, there would be no point.
Everything you're saying is categorically wrong
Antidisestablishmentarian
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They haven't been exactly allowing of the inspectors in the past.
This deal will end. I feel it will only delay the inevitable. I could end up be ing wrong, but those are my thoughts on it.
Red1966
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You have no idea what their current supplies are, just what they tell us. They have consistantly lied to us in the past, to assume they are being truthful now is just foolish.
The deal is based on trust. They hid their facilities from us in the past and will continue to do so. When friendly Iranian citizens told inspectors of the hidden facilities, the inspectors demanded access. They were then forced to leave the country. The "sanctions" mostly consist of our seizing of their assets, several billion dollars worth. They have continued to sell oil, despite sanctions, to Russia, China, Syria, and much of the rest of the world. Even those countries joining the sanctions inadvertingly bought their oil because all they had to do was put a false flag on their tankers or use contractors to ship it. They get ALL their billions back in a short time and will not place it in places where we can seize it again. "Their responsibilties" are to destroy The Little Satan (Israel) and The Great Satan (us). This agreement furthers that goal.
Iran is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world. Gasoline is $0.30 a gallon there. Nuclear power is far more expensive than than they can produce with oil. Medical equipment requiring radiation sources is shipped to Iran with that material already inside. They have no need of nuclear power or material, except to build bombs.
Your blind trust in the largest finaceer of terrorism is foolish. Their history indicates everything I'm saying is categorially correct, but your fawning trust in a president who has demonstrated a proclivity to lie to his own people has overiden common sense. The facts are there for anyone to see, but a kool-aid drinker like you ignores them. There is no point in discussing this with you any further, your ideology prevents you from using your brain.
Rob Roy
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No!!!!
Then those fuckers will direct a giant solar ray and give everybody a sunburn!
hydroMD
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Your post holds zero pertinent info on the subject.
No names, facts, titles, nothing.
Go away and speculate somewhere else douche
Rob Roy
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It almost seems like the USA is setting Iran up, so they can find them in violation of something or another and then occupy the country eventually. Seems like the same games were played in Iraq in recent times.
I'll admit I've not paid much attention to the "negotiations". Its amusing that the country which has used nuclear weapons in the past, the USA, is trying to tell others what the "rules" are. Like parents that get trashed every night on alcohol getting pissed when they find their kids bong.
I'll admit I've not paid much attention to the "negotiations". Its amusing that the country which has used nuclear weapons in the past, the USA, is trying to tell others what the "rules" are. Like parents that get trashed every night on alcohol getting pissed when they find their kids bong.
Red1966
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So you never watch the news? His post was pertinent and did contain a fact. That you call it "speculation" when any even superficially informed person knows of this indicates you are woefully uninformed or just a kool-aid drinking liar. I suspect both.
socalcoolmx
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After the second Iraq war I try to always oppose John Bolton and the war mongers.
The United States has to stop attacking other countries based on bad information or just outright lies.
John Bolton cannot be trusted to tell truth zero credibility don't listen to him
The United States has to stop attacking other countries based on bad information or just outright lies.
John Bolton cannot be trusted to tell truth zero credibility don't listen to him
Captain Ron
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okay
King Arthur
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The problem with your statement is that you think we the people can actually stop it lol.
Red1966
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When someone is trying to procure nuclear weapons while having televised "Death to America" rallies on a regular basis, pretending they don't pose a threat is a foolish thing to do.
socalcoolmx
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Your right, I can't except my country being in a constant state of war against the rest of the world.
Rob Roy
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The problem is the "someone" isn't everyone that lives there. The someone is always a small group of people that control others and the larger group suffers for it. Most people are sick of war, but react out of fear. The fear is instilled by the small group, purposefully.
Nationalism is a tool to distract and helps enable and create war. It's one giant Milgram experiment.
socalcoolmx
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This Is Iraq all over again can't you understand you are being manipulated will you go over there and sacrafice your life for Israel or Mobil Exxon. My son will go to Canada and play hockey.
What about 2025 that's when the experts say a nuclear device could be made in just about any small shop or well equipted garage anywhere in the world what are we going to do then.
We need to get rid of all Nuclear Weapons Starting with Israel and United States, Russia,China and so on
Red1966
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But the "someone" in danger is all of us. The people of Iran can rise up and overcome their theocracy, but they don't. There's no way to pick and choose those "innocents" in war.
Yes, we should disarm while allowing Iran to continue building bombs. Your "experts" are idiots. You can build a bomb in your garage now, if you can aquire the fissionable material. This crap "you are being manipulated" is just asinine. Are you seriously claiming Iran is trying to manipulate us into war? Because it is their actions that alarm me, not Israel or Exxon Mobil.
socalcoolmx
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So what are the options other than invasion and american boots on the ground. How many innocent people must die so we won't feel threatened.
I'm pretty sure which side my hero Frank Zappa would be on. Not the same side as John Bolton that's for sure.
I bet you guys would have been all gung ho about Vietnam too
I'm pretty sure which side my hero Frank Zappa would be on. Not the same side as John Bolton that's for sure.
I bet you guys would have been all gung ho about Vietnam too
UncleBuck
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wow, way to state it in the most racist fashion possible.