time to flush

canefan said:

government education at its best.........keep flushing spreading bad info, instead of learning to dry and cure your product properly.

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looks like your giving the bad info here bro. Those corn fields are not heavily nuted up like the plants we grow. our plants are force fed massive amounts of nutrients, if you dont flush the soil all that goes right back into the plant/buds

jonnyquest said:

As for your the claim the depth of saturation that your avrage rainfall produces is nowhere near comparable to the standard practice of you flushers of dumping an over large quantity of water through your soil.

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Well I tend to agree with the dumping large quantities of water. When I refer to flushing, I simply mean feeding the plant the same amount of liquid, that is simple water, with no nutrients. I admit I didn't state a difference between the two before, and that was my fault. And thank you for agreeing with me about the rainfall, I didn't claim it was the same saturation level, just the fact that it happens, as I stated twice before, but I'm sure you read that already.

jonnyquest said:

You say you understand farmers don't need to flush congratulations nor do cannabis growers farmers use the quantity of nutrition necessary to optimize there grow and they don't feel the need to flush it out because there fruits do not suck up the flavour of the product that supplied the various different compunds and mixtures of base molecules, cannabis plants do not do this either.

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No, what I said was they don't use the same nutrients, that require a flush. If you disagree with flushing that fine, but please endeavor to understand what you are disagreeing about. You focused on the word "concentrated" because you are just trying to poke holes, not understand my reasoning. So I will go slowly this time, and repeat what I said before that you may have missed.

Farmers have regulations on what they can and can not use.

Marijuana growers do not.

Most Marijuana nutrients are classified for "ornamental plants" that are not meant to be consumed. This is why I believe it requires a flush of sorts.

But I do tend to agree, drowning your plant is not the answer, I think a controlled flush should be used, consisting of a water-only diet during the last week or so. This means watering it, in normal amounts, with no nutrients, just water.

i flush with a nutirent solution at 25% strength. i dont like to feed heavy toward the end of flower and a nutrient solution does a better job of dissolving built up salts and flushing them out of the soil than plain water. Flushing does make a difference in my grows and thats why i do it. some people dont find the same results and dont do it. to each their own, but this is just one of those contentious issues much like defoliation.

w would you flush a bunch of plants in SOG using soil and saucers under the pots? It's not like its real easy to move the plants around in this stage of flowering

Nukebisket said:

w would you flush a bunch of plants in SOG using soil and saucers under the pots? It's not like its real easy to move the plants around in this stage of flowering

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wet vac bro. or get a bucket head.

Nukebisket said:

looks like your giving the bad info here bro. Those corn fields are not heavily nuted up like the plants we grow. our plants are force fed massive amounts of nutrients, if you dont flush the soil all that goes right back into the plant/buds

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Nukebisket said:

looks like your giving the bad info here bro. Those corn fields are not heavily nuted up like the plants we grow. our plants are force fed massive amounts of nutrients, if you dont flush the soil all that goes right back into the plant/buds

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How is this bad info "bro"? I have been growing this precious plant probably longer than you have been drawing breath. If your grow is so heavily full of nutes then you certainly don't know how to get the most out of a grow or to build soil. Furthermore, you certainly don't understand how plant biology works and how things are moved and stored in plants.
As for the N and other nutes required to grow corn, is much more than a marijuana plant can take. Nice try though "bro"

Jorge Cervantes told me to flush a minumum of 14 days to get the best flavor. I use pure water the last two weeks, then cohp them down while in the dark cycle.

canefan said:

How is this bad info "bro"? I have been growing this precious plant probably longer than you have been drawing breath. If your grow is so heavily full of nutes then you certainly don't know how to get the most out of a grow or to build soil. Furthermore, you certainly don't understand how plant biology works and how things are moved and stored in plants.
As for the N and other nutes required to grow corn, is much more than a marijuana plant can take. Nice try though "bro"

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Actually they use a whole lot less Nitrogen than MJ. where do you get you info from? sorry, but nice try bra. Notice how you went to bra from bro. LOL I guess if you a grandpa growing SOB than maybe you have grown longer than I been breathing, if thats the case, times have changed and there is updated info out there.grab your bifocals and read a book

steve kelley said:

flushing will not help your plants, will only hurt them if anything! Believe me its not going to do anything for your plants, would like to know who came up with that. They will not taste better, just an old myth.

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This fine man is exactly correct.

JoshTheMadTitan said:

Disregard this poster. Not only does he not know what hes talking about, he is unfortunately trying to bring others down with him.

Flushing has one main benefit, it WILL increase taste, and if you do it during the last week, it will NOT hurt your plant. What it does, is helps draw out the nutrients, so you are smoking more plant, and less plant food, at the same time, while you plant is starved for nutrients, it will be pulling what it needs from the remaining leaves and pumping them into the buds, ensuring a strong and healthy harvest.

All you need to do is flush for 3-7 days just before harvest. This is when you feed the plants only water.

If you are doing it hydroponically, its easy, just remove nuts and replace with 100% ph balanced water.

For soil however I am not as sure, I would just water as normal, but with only water, though it may call for over watering or under watering to an extent, though don't quote me on that.

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And this young man is still confused by old stoner logic with no botanical or horticultural bases...those leaves you say your plant draws from when starved from flushing, dont we remove them at harvest anyways? This is the guy you want to ignore..........

JoshTheMadTitan said:

for a moderator, you are surprisingly uncouth.

This is an explanation as far as I understand it, I may have it wrong, I don't do my own scientific research into the matter, I only read studies of others.

Flushing is done to remove as many of the chemical nutrients many indoor growers use to increase yield, many of which are in a much higher concentration than any used in normal agricultural applications. Farmers don't use the same kind of nutrients at the same levels, it isn't cost effective, they simple plant entire fields and it makes up for the yield per plant, further more farmers DO flush, every crop, several times a grow cycle, every time it rains, they are effectively "flushing" their crops.

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Been farming my entire life and what you just said is BS. The nutrients we use, Ammoniacal Nitrogen on corn crops for example, is far more concentrated and potent than any N source used in our containers or gardens. Fertilizers are a huge part of what we do. How does planting an entire field make up for yield per plant? Your full of shit.....
And how does a normal rain fall flush our fields? The 3xtimes pot size stoners have come up with to flush a pot is equal to over 15 inches of rain in the typical 3 gallon container. Guess farmers pray for hurricanes to flush their crops, not!

JoshTheMadTitan said:

Well I tend to agree with the dumping large quantities of water. When I refer to flushing, I simply mean feeding the plant the same amount of liquid, that is simple water, with no nutrients. I admit I didn't state a difference between the two before, and that was my fault. And thank you for agreeing with me about the rainfall, I didn't claim it was the same saturation level, just the fact that it happens, as I stated twice before, but I'm sure you read that already.



No, what I said was they don't use the same nutrients, that require a flush. If you disagree with flushing that fine, but please endeavor to understand what you are disagreeing about. You focused on the word "concentrated" because you are just trying to poke holes, not understand my reasoning. So I will go slowly this time, and repeat what I said before that you may have missed.

Farmers have regulations on what they can and can not use.

Marijuana growers do not.

Most Marijuana nutrients are classified for "ornamental plants" that are not meant to be consumed. This is why I believe it requires a flush of sorts.

But I do tend to agree, drowning your plant is not the answer, I think a controlled flush should be used, consisting of a water-only diet during the last week or so. This means watering it, in normal amounts, with no nutrients, just water.

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Please explain what regulations you are talking about as far as what we can use and not use. We spread chicken shit, hog shit, cow shit, chemical nutes. Basically the very same things used to grow cannabis. N is N, P is P, K is K and so on. They just come in many different forms and sources. There is no such thing as a cannabis specific nute. The marketers made that one up to take money from the misinformed such as yourself.

And if our crops get flushed everytime its rains then that would mean we would have to refert after each shower, yet we dont. Nor need too. Heck some crops such as legumes actually take their N from the air and fix it in the soil for future use.........

Flushing makes my harvest taste much better. Yet I only do it for ten days (not two weeks).

If you guys were actually cared about what we are doing instead of fighting you can all just agree to disagree. You will more than likely never try each other's "prizes" so why are you guys arguing about botany. You guys are no different than the government trying to force THEIR views and opinions on US just because it worked for them so that is the ONLY right way. Hate to say it but can't we all just get along? We are on here talking about the plant that we all love and fighting each other and not the people who put our beloved plant on the schedule 1 drug list. exchange opinions, befriend one-another, but there's no need to bash each other's styles. You can not flush if you don't want to that's your deal not mine or anyone else's. On a side note, my friends dad (life-time grower) said that BHO is nasty, stupid, and totally useless compared to bubble. Obv he needs to read a book because bubble is in last place for concentrates. IN MY OPINION. So don't be so close minded. We are all here for the same thing. To overgrow the government with better and better weed. Stay growing

How is stating facts arguing or bashing? I personally am just trying to put some of the cannabis forum parroted BS to rest, thats all....
And we will never overgrow the system. Our best bet is to become part of the system and make changes within.

This thread was about flushing which is seemingly more and more of a personal thing to do with some growers. I'm not coming at you or anyone else on this thread but we are all here to grow and get better at doing just that. The govt can't arrest us all

Hi everyone ,
this is just my opinion ,

I think that flushing works indoors(in conjunction with other pressures) especially with non seeded pot but for a different reason which is to help maximize imitating its natural environment and then using those factors as a substitute to indicate end of life .in nature plants will seed, and i think after they are fertilized they don't search that much for fertilizer from the soil anymore except for initial spikes lasting just before and just after initial bloom because they've geared up to reproduce and focused on that point of their lives all through the latter veg stage(they've probably stripped a lot of the available fertilizer anyway by that time) perhaps they've assimilated enough of what they need in/on roots leaves stems etc as they flower.,focusing on seeding using all their energy for that and feeding off of stored food.. ..so as most people don't grow seeded pot i think that flushing helps forced false finishing (sucking the nutrients out of the plants forcing it to associate it with death and making it attempt reproduction)along with imitating as best you could environmental factors if it was wild ,i mean trying to guide the plant creating an environment indicating its end of life has come naturally .but this is impossible to do completely without pollen .so you can partially manage the other variables then simply kill it when when you decide its most potent instead of it dying . . i also believe that seeded pot has a way better more pleasant definitive powerful complete and less confused high than non seeded. using identical clones i have done both and it just seems natural it would guard the seeds full out with whatever works for it then die spent and it doesnt need to go full out for an unfertilized pod (when the seeds are finished the deal is just the opposite defenses drop resin production is no longer required resin heads break off and the seed is exposed in the split pod thus making it visible and maybe attractive and also becomes easily detached then redistributed by a bird or other herbivores etc )but sorry to get off topic.however in the wild it would probably still be growing some seeds till the end as the mature seeded flowers of it are dying . the high then declines as no new glands are produced on the mature seed pods due to mostly finished seeds not needing resin so im saying flushing is necessary to manipulate the plant introducing best(it needs water only and uses it along with stored food to carry on) you can all the other factors without critical pollen as opposed to better taste which is subjective anyway and which is just a by product .in hydroponic grows i flush due to the fact that when into full bloom the tds goes way up in the water quickly telling me that the plants want more water less fertilizer.that is to say plants can just take the water out of the supply if it wants to as long as there is enough water to use diluting the mix enough. so i lower tds in increments ,then when i think they are about 2/3 finished i run straight water and then they suck it much faster than with nutes and leaves happily point up at light source ,its obviously what they want. also with unseeded plants they are bound to revert back to vegetive acclimatizing if left to live long enough and fed indefinitely because they sense they have run a false cycle and the light period never declines as well .unseeded pot will never finish indoors naturally without forcing it because it hasnt completed its life cycle so all indoor plants are killed they dont die as nature intended .
thank you

Hi everyone ,
this is just my opinion ,

I think that flushing works indoors(in conjunction with other pressures) especially with non seeded pot but for a different reason which is to help maximize imitating its natural environment and then using those factors as a substitute to indicate end of life .in nature plants will seed, and i think after they are fertilized they don't search that much for fertilizer from the soil anymore except for initial spikes lasting just before and just after initial bloom because they've geared up to reproduce and focused on that point of their lives all through the latter veg stage(they've probably stripped a lot of the available fertilizer anyway by that time) perhaps they've assimilated enough of what they need in/on roots leaves stems etc as they flower.,focusing on seeding using all their energy for that and feeding off of stored food.. ..so as most people don't grow seeded pot i think that flushing helps forced false finishing (sucking the nutrients out of the plants forcing it to associate it with death and making it attempt reproduction)along with imitating as best you could environmental factors if it was wild ,i mean trying to guide the plant creating an environment indicating its end of life has come naturally .but this is impossible to do completely without pollen .so you can partially manage the other variables then simply kill it when when you decide its most potent instead of it dying . . i also believe that seeded pot has a way better more pleasant definitive powerful complete and less confused high than non seeded. using identical clones i have done both and it just seems natural it would guard the seeds full out with whatever works for it then die spent and it doesnt need to go full out for an unfertilized pod (when the seeds are finished the deal is just the opposite defenses drop resin production is no longer required resin heads break off and the seed is exposed in the split pod thus making it visible and maybe attractive and also becomes easily detached then redistributed by a bird or other herbivores etc )but sorry to get off topic.however in the wild it would probably still be growing some seeds till the end as the mature seeded flowers of it are dying . the high then declines as no new glands are produced on the mature seed pods due to mostly finished seeds not needing resin so im saying flushing is necessary to manipulate the plant introducing best(it needs water only and uses it along with stored food to carry on) you can all the other factors without critical pollen as opposed to better taste which is subjective anyway and which is just a by product .in hydroponic grows i flush due to the fact that when into full bloom the tds goes way up in the water quickly telling me that the plants want more water less fertilizer.that is to say plants can just take the water out of the supply if it wants to as long as there is enough water to use diluting the mix enough. so i lower tds in increments ,then when i think they are about 2/3 finished i run straight water and then they suck it much faster than with nutes and leaves happily point up at light source ,its obviously what they want. also with unseeded plants they are bound to revert back to vegetive acclimatizing if left to live long enough and fed indefinitely because they sense they have run a false cycle and the light period never declines as well .unseeded pot will never finish indoors naturally without forcing it because it hasnt completed its life cycle so all indoor plants are killed they dont die as nature intended .
thank you

Now thats funny reading.......thanks for the laugh......

How about we just let him do wtf he wants to do, and give him encouragement to conduct an experiment for person reasoning??.. Its not hard to compare one flushed clone vs. another, unflushed.. I say, do a experiment to come to your personal conclusion..Dont be like everyone else on here giving their opinion.. Last time I checked, cannabis was a plant, unable to type on the internet or write a book... I've seen people argue about some dumb shit, but it seems now-a-days its opinionated controversy that leads to no answers when it comes to furthering education, and encouragement for everyone..This is a place to study, not debate on who's opinion is better.. I feel like this is similar to a religious debate, no one wants to be wrong, lol.. If anyone wants to quote me, feel free because I'm not gonna respond to any ones hurt feelings they feel they have to ammend, by picking apart every word I just typed..Congrats on the upcoming harvest btw.

jakefresh said:

The govt can't arrest us all

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Ever hear of FEMA camps?