FarmerJJ
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He grows for others who will tell him if there is a difference? Growing isn't always about smoking.
Time to Flush???
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cowboylogic
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Its amazing how botany and horticulture is over looked. My take is this...new growers figure there is no need to learn the basics of container growing with the advent of the internet. Why read a text book when we can read pretty labels and clever names that can only make the "claims" true and watch youtube videos following the same path of BS...when it comes down too it...POS51 rules the mind.....
Rumple
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This is a great contribution to the topic. Notice how it is personal now?
Because I don't take drugs I can't be trusted to grow good weed? Mafia, if I gave you a jar of my harvest could you tell me if it was any good?
Rumple
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No, you missed what I said. I gave an example of my own experience. Nothing more. I think it's ok to give examples from my own years of growing experience, whether or not you think it agrees with your so called science. It's is all good though. I am stoked when someone can grow a good crop flushed or not flushed. If your taste dictates to not flush, I would not be the one to criticize you for it.
Pisces26, your plants look nice, but I can never tell from photos if it is time to flush and harvest. Photos never tell the whole story, we would have to see it up close and been around to see it progress to this stage.
Pay close attention to the number of days you're at, so you can make adjustments (if necessary) to your next grow of this strain.
Best of luck, R.
Harrekin
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You're still missing the point... *facepalm*
Why is it 95% of growers are so stupid about what they claim to love to do?
Rumple
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Now I'm stupid for not doing it your way. I have great results, healthy plants, and killer product doing it the way I do. I have years of pictures and reviews of my weed and methods. Why does it bother folks when I share my thoughts about growing weed. It is opinion based and should be taken just as that.
I don't think you are stupid for not flushing. I trust all your harvest come out to your liking or you would have changed up.
Not sure how telling folks they are stupid contributes anything but bad feelings. It is my experance, that most folks smoking good weed are friendly.
I could tell you my opinion of it but that shouldnt mean much because you dont know what im used to smoking.
I just think a grower should know his stuff is good from personal experience, not have to rely on the opinions of what others think.
Rumple
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So, somehow in your opinion it is impossible for me to grow quality bud for my wife?
I could not trust you to know if my weed was any good? Or I should not make much of your opinion?
How about the hundreds of testimonials of people I have helped grow, are none of them trustworthy? What about other growers who grow from the same clone as I, can we trust a review from them? I have been growing for my wife a lot of years, can she have an opinion on what I harvest?
I am part of a pretty large cannabis community down here in the OC. I get together with lots of growers and exchange ideas and give opinions on methods. You would think one of them would know enough about what quality bud is to give me a honest review. Some of the guys (and a few gals) love to give my wife samples to see if they can impress her palette. What I'm trying to say is, I have lots of good growers and weed smokers who can't wait to tell me what they think of my "end result".
I give you way more credit then you give yourself my friend, I am pretty sure if I gave you a jar of my harvest you would know if it was good.
Mafia, I understand my situation is not normal. Your reaction is pretty common when folks find out I don't smoke weed. But I think you can trust that I believe what I am doing is right for my grow. If I followed your advice, I would have to stop growing marijuana for my wife because I would have to rely on someone to help me. Sound right? I am doing the best I can with what I have.
Most folks smoking good weed are friendly.
Harrekin
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No the point I was making is that so many flushers try make out that it's subjective or an issue of taste which is just total bullshit. Growing isn't an art, it's a science with certain things working and certain things you read off a grow forum/grow book.
Flushing is one of these things that is treated subjectively just like the whole organic thing, when in essence there is absolutely no s ience to support it. A plant is like a simple machine, a car almost, you give it what it needs like fuel (water, nutrients, air, light), etc and it'll run a certain way consistently. There's no ifs or buts.
However with cannabis die to unscrupulous retailers and the relative illegality of cannabis all these magical products come out prompting myths like "organic tastes better" or "you have to flush for 2 weeks before harvest".
Again as I have said, all plants are like machines, if flushing was necessary in cannabis it'd be necessary in tobacco or tomatoes but this is just not the case. Add this to the fact so many people now don't bother flushing because its has been found through experience and scientific theory to be a pointless activity, and you find the "flushers" are really grasping at straws to preserve their "hippy bullshit stories".
It's the same with organics, if organics didn't feed the plants N, P, K and the micros, etc the exact same as the chemical ferts they simply wouldn't work. Plants need the same chemical elements regardless of source to grow. Yet people claim organics "taste better" or "don't need to be flushed" showing complete ignorance for the method of action of their fertiliser.
This is why I facepalm at these discussions, there is no "my way" or "your way", there is just "the way that works" and with this flushing one, it just doesnt work but just won't die.
So let me just leave with this little gem, that I and many others have learnt from experience:
Regardless of feeding method, the way the get the best flavoured, smoothest and most potent bud is to feed correctly (ie. gradually less into late flower) right until harvest, then give it a nice slow dry and cure. This allows starches, chlorophyll and other substances to break down (avoiding poor burning, tasting or "popping" weed) and also allows for the decarboxylation of the THC making it all psychoactive.
Flushing is one of these things that is treated subjectively just like the whole organic thing, when in essence there is absolutely no s ience to support it. A plant is like a simple machine, a car almost, you give it what it needs like fuel (water, nutrients, air, light), etc and it'll run a certain way consistently. There's no ifs or buts.
However with cannabis die to unscrupulous retailers and the relative illegality of cannabis all these magical products come out prompting myths like "organic tastes better" or "you have to flush for 2 weeks before harvest".
Again as I have said, all plants are like machines, if flushing was necessary in cannabis it'd be necessary in tobacco or tomatoes but this is just not the case. Add this to the fact so many people now don't bother flushing because its has been found through experience and scientific theory to be a pointless activity, and you find the "flushers" are really grasping at straws to preserve their "hippy bullshit stories".
It's the same with organics, if organics didn't feed the plants N, P, K and the micros, etc the exact same as the chemical ferts they simply wouldn't work. Plants need the same chemical elements regardless of source to grow. Yet people claim organics "taste better" or "don't need to be flushed" showing complete ignorance for the method of action of their fertiliser.
This is why I facepalm at these discussions, there is no "my way" or "your way", there is just "the way that works" and with this flushing one, it just doesnt work but just won't die.
So let me just leave with this little gem, that I and many others have learnt from experience:
Regardless of feeding method, the way the get the best flavoured, smoothest and most potent bud is to feed correctly (ie. gradually less into late flower) right until harvest, then give it a nice slow dry and cure. This allows starches, chlorophyll and other substances to break down (avoiding poor burning, tasting or "popping" weed) and also allows for the decarboxylation of the THC making it all psychoactive.
Rumple
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You can talk your science all day, but I need to flush so it tastes better. If yours tastes ok without flushing, then go for it. Most cup growers and book authors will tell you it is a good idea to flush for about two weeks. But I have no problem telling folks to give it a try both ways and see what works for them.
If I am doing it "all wrong", then all wrong is doing pretty good.
Peace, R.
If I am doing it "all wrong", then all wrong is doing pretty good.
Peace, R.
Love it!
I wish there was a way to un-rep people here.
Taste will always be a matter of... taste. By its nature, taste is subjective. What tastes good to you may taste like shit to me.
But please, tell me I'm wrong.
Rumple
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Ok, I will be a "toilet grower" if you are a "turd saver".
It's cool I dig the humor.
"Turd savers" seem to get mad when experienced smokers say they can tell the difference. But it is very true. My wife noticed right away when the harvest was not flushed. She was just plain right. It is a simple fact.
It's cool I dig the humor."Turd savers" seem to get mad when experienced smokers say they can tell the difference. But it is very true. My wife noticed right away when the harvest was not flushed. She was just plain right. It is a simple fact.
Killer Sativa
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You people take all of this stuff way to serious, don't make it so complicated. Smoke a bowl!
Harrekin
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Hey I'm not the one who flushes 30L of water through a 10L pot, that would be considered making it complicated. I feed mine and keep them green, like anyone who grows decent plants (of any variety) should. It's the toilet growers who think pulling some magical water handle will fix all the mistakes they've made throughout the gro that are complicating the situation
Iv still yet to see an explanation of how translocating all the plants elements to the buds makes the plant taste better, rather than worse tho.
Rumple
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You can call me a "Toilet Grower" and I could call you a "Smelly Turd Saver" (both are pretty funny), but I would rather take this back to a non-insulting conversation between growers. You have to admit that lots of killer crops are done both ways. Don't tell us our plants are sub-standard and not decent. We put a lot of love into our gardens and most of us are quite proud of the results (look at my harvest pictures). I wish you could try what comes out of my grow room. I bet the word Toilet Grower would not come to mind after a bong load of my clean bud.
You should put the information out that you don't flush and it does not ruin your crop. I don't need to tell folks to flush because it is a pretty common practice and in a lot of grow literature.
If you like the taste of it not flushed then have at it. It does not bother me that some folks choose not to flush, I just accept that we all do things a little different. You are correct, flushing will not fix all the mistakes, but it is used for fixing some issues that are not even harvest related. I will do what most expert growers do and flush before harvest because it makes a difference in taste (in my case). Flushing would never have come about if it was unnecessary. It's not magic, just science.
I bet we agree on a thousand other things.
Please leave the name calling at the door, and I will do the same.
). I wish you could try what comes out of my grow room. I bet the word Toilet Grower would not come to mind after a bong load of my clean bud.You should put the information out that you don't flush and it does not ruin your crop. I don't need to tell folks to flush because it is a pretty common practice and in a lot of grow literature.
If you like the taste of it not flushed then have at it. It does not bother me that some folks choose not to flush, I just accept that we all do things a little different. You are correct, flushing will not fix all the mistakes, but it is used for fixing some issues that are not even harvest related. I will do what most expert growers do and flush before harvest because it makes a difference in taste (in my case). Flushing would never have come about if it was unnecessary. It's not magic, just science.
I bet we agree on a thousand other things.
Please leave the name calling at the door, and I will do the same.
Harrekin
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Im gonna take an educated guess and say flushing came about from people incorrectly fermenting their plants before harvest. If you'd read up on the Fermentation Method, you'd know that completely submerging your plants roots in water for 5-7 days will cause the plant to be in an anaerobic state (ie no access to oxygen for respiration).You can call me a "Toilet Grower" and I could call you a "Smelly Turd Saver" (both are pretty funny), but I would rather take this back to a non-insulting conversation between growers. You have to admit that lots of killer crops are done both ways. Don't tell us our plants are sub-standard and not decent. We put a lot of love into our gardens and most of us are quite proud of the results (look at my harvest pictures
You should put the information out that you don't flush and it does not ruin your crop. I don't need to tell folks to flush because it is a pretty common practice and in a lot of grow literature.
If you like the taste of it not flushed then have at it. It does not bother me that some folks choose not to flush, I just accept that we all do things a little different. You are correct, flushing will not fix all the mistakes, but it is used for fixing some issues that are not even harvest related. I will do what most expert growers do and flush before harvest because it makes a difference in taste (in my case). Flushing would never have come about if it was unnecessary. It's not magic, just science.
I bet we agree on a thousand other things.
Please leave the name calling at the door, and I will do the same.
When a plant is in an anaerobic state it starts to consume stored up starches and other sugars (because it cant produce energy any other way) in order to keep growing and maturing. This gives a completely smooth, tasty smoke even with a quick dry.
Now given you know that with this method it is confirmed that starches and sugars are what cause bad tasting/burning weed, and it sounds very similar to flushing (but clearly some dumb stoner, the first Flusher almost, didn't do it right), can you not finally see where the "flushing is bullshit" thing comes from? That combined with people's experiences here and the science presented?
How can you possibly ignore all these facts and just say "it works for me"?
(All debate aside tho, if you're truely serious about growing the finest of fine top shelf medicine for your wife then look up the fermentation method, it works!)
Rumple
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I will check it out, thanks for the tip. I am always looking to improve my harvest.
The thing about flushing for me is not an option no matter what facts or science you quote. My wife hates the taste of unflushed weed. She knew without being told. She is not alone in this. Loads of other damn good growers will tell you the same story. No reason for us to lie or make up facts. I follow the Lucas formula in my DWC and it grows big strong healthy plants. We don't add another thing to the solution..
I have a feeling the truth lies someplace in the middle. If all the variables are taken in consideration, perhaps one thing I am doing (brand of plant food, strain, reservoir capacity, etc ) tends to leave a sent/taste inside the tissue of the plant. Letting the plant purge cleans out or reduces the undesirable taste that my wife detects. Regardless, flushing in my case has to be done. Perhaps I could change styles and perduce bud that does not need to be flushed, but I would have to have the need to do it. Our results are better then anything I can buy and better then most that we have seen.
Peace, R.