Three a Light???

Bigdaddy76

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The fan leaves are the solar panels to make food for the whole plant. You and the author of that POS book for suckers don't have a clue how plants actually work do you.
You’ve obviously never done it. Fan leaves are known as sucker leaves for a reason. Your a sucker if you leave them. Unless you’ve actually tried it, you’re speaking out your ass because it does work! You obviously don’t do it for outdoor grows cause the fan leaves are actually needed!
 

OldMedUser

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In the 40+ I've been growing pot I have actually done it many times. A few times in side by side grows and there's no difference other than the one the leaves get stripped from switch their energies into replacing those leaves so they actually yielded less. Indoors I do proper ScroGs so everything under the canopy gets stripped and the fan leaves on the top help lots to create mounds of colas.

Some of the best growers on the planet put out great books but aren't charging $500 for them. Only a real sucker would buy that.
 

Bigdaddy76

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In the 40+ I've been growing pot I have actually done it many times. A few times in side by side grows and there's no difference other than the one the leaves get stripped from switch their energies into replacing those leaves so they actually yielded less. Indoors I do proper ScroGs so everything under the canopy gets stripped and the fan leaves on the top help lots to create mounds of colas.

Some of the best growers on the planet put out great books but aren't charging $500 for them. Only a real sucker would buy that.
It seems like the real issue is with the price of the book. Don’t care what it costs because I don’t need to buy it to know what it says. If you’re going to do it side by side, I hope you’re giving the Schwazze one silica too. That’s one of the things that helps make it work! Ive done a side by side too, with clones from same mother, using the success nutrients (that’s designed for Schwazze) and yielded about 18% more. Everything I did to one, I did to the other except the Schwazze!
 

Richalpha

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Oh my Gooooooooooooooood
It burnt!!!! under 110V
within about one month
I bought it because of so many positive feedback there
I cannot imagine it is such a junk
I am very disappointed, so upset
Any one tell me what I can do now?
Such a junk shit
I stopped using another 600W......
So disappointed, upset...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

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Optic, gavita, or hlg is the way to go
 

Richalpha

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I just want to know how long it takes to get 3 pounds per light. Does it take all year, it looks his plants are supercroped to much so he has to take leafs off to prevent mold. I think I can do the same thing without taking leafs off in less time. I meet these guys and they can't answer these questions. I even asked them what type of light and they said doesn't matter. I was like wtf so a 400w bull crap. Anyways assuming 1000w it takes a long time to grow a plant, take all the leafs off, grow again and again. I have done this and I makes some sort of sense but a lot of work.
I would be happier with 1 pound every 3 months vs. 3 pounds every 9 months risking pests and theft
They use leds, full spectrum, vertical lights
 

Richalpha

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Also, I'd like to add to this debate about defoliating/not defoliating. 2 grows ago I did light defoliation. My last grow, I pulled almost zero leaves. I noticed that ALL the buds that were covered by leaves stayed small and lime green and essentially unripe. I thought that if a leaf receives the light, it will send the energy and growth to the buds. I witnessed that to not be the case AT ALL. For the buds to get bigger, the BUDS had to have DIRECT light on them. Not the leaves. So if all those leaves that were blocking the buds were trimmed off, the buds would have ripening up and grew in size and maturity/THC concentration, and theoretically...yield. What do the leaves do if they don't send all the energy to the most important part of the plant, the flowers themselves.

I thought the leaves were like solar panels that take in energy and send it to the flowers. But if a bud is not receiving light it does NOT grow. So what the fuck is the purpose of these fucking leaves if they dont help the flowers?!

I don't know which is better, but i witnessed first hand that buds dont grow without sunlight no matter if all your leaves are getting light. Light on the leaves does not make buds grow.

At the same time, I don't doubt that pulling leaves stunts growth. So I'm on the fence about this and unsure of which way to lean. Any yet, all these people trying to prove with science that pulling the leaves will hurt yield, and you have these guys put up a timelapse video of completely defoliated plants getting FAT colas. Wheres the conspiracy?
I've witnessed the same thing. To combat this I trim the top buds off when they are ready and let those bottom buds grow for another week. It helps densen up some of what would be larf
 

Hobbes

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has anyone tried the defoil technique that is used where on the first day of flower all fans are striped. Then on 21 day of flower all fans are striped again. They call it schawazze or something like that lol but just wanting to know has anybody tried this before and got good results? Will be trying on some plants just cus I want to see if this is true.
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I schawazze every grow for the past year - 5 grows.

It looks spooky until you see the leaves growing back but in different places, around the bud sites.

I picked it up from Blackdog LED who were pulling great harvests.

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The buds are smaller than the way I use to grow, but there's more of them. Defoliating allows for great airflow as well as light penetration.

My last harvest was 850 grams in a 4'x4' under a 1000 Watt light, getting a bit better each harvest. I feel that I'll have no problem growing more than 1000 grams with my current set up once I get the plants dialled in.

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Richalpha

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This is my first post on this forum, but that is because i just read this whole post from page 1. In the beginning i was curious on if "three a light" actually helps. but something more interesting came up, the topic of defoliating. Seems like everyone has a different opininon but dont you guys think that having different lights would change the outcome to much? and also the setup. i just finished my first run and i defoliated like week 4-5 of flower. I know that is kind of late compared to people saying day 21. i also didnt defoliate too aggressive. I cleaned up half the tree and was even told to defoliate more and also to prune more branches. I also did take off the fan leaves from the top nugs too. at the end i did recieve small nugs but this is from a lot of mistakes. Im also using dimlux 1000w lights with almost 15 plants under a light. Just wondering, has anyone gotten a lot of weight with dimlux or gavitas? how many times did u defoliate and how much? and how many plants under a light....i really want nice product and i am willing to put in max effort for this... hahah
I have good yield with the optic slim 600
 

Bigdaddy76

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I schawazze every grow for the past year - 5 grows.

It looks spooky until you see the leaves growing back but in different places, around the bud sites.

I picked it up from Blackdog LED who were pulling great harvests.

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The buds are smaller than the way I use to grow, but there's more of them. Defoliating allows for great airflow as well as light penetration.

My last harvest was 850 grams in a 4'x4' under a 1000 Watt light, getting a bit better each harvest. I feel that I'll have no problem growing more than 1000 grams with my current set up once I get the plants dialled in.

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The people who’ve never actually tried Schwazzing, (with their preconceived, negative views on defoliation), talking smack about Schwazzing, absolutely kills me!
 

Richalpha

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Im going to try a hybrid of the two. Instead of lollipoping everything underneath the 3rd node im going to swazz it and do a light defoil on the bigger fan leaves at the top of the canopy
 

Bigdaddy76

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Im going to try a hybrid of the two. Instead of lollipoping everything underneath the 3rd node im going to swazz it and do a light defoil on the bigger fan leaves at the top of the canopy
Why not just do it correctly? There’s a reason EVERYTHING is removed! If doing it your way was the most effective, then that would be schwazzing. Joshua Haupt, made schwazzing mainstream, experimented with every variation, of defoliation, before he saw removing EVERY fan leaf, had the best results! This isn’t some guys half baked idea, that can be improved on with less defoliation. There’s actual research that’s been put into this technique!
 

Richalpha

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Why not just do it correctly? There’s a reason EVERYTHING is removed! If doing it your way was the most effective, then that would be schwazzing. Joshua Haupt, made schwazzing mainstream, experimented with every variation, of defoliation, before he saw removing EVERY fan leaf, had the best results! This isn’t some guys half baked idea, that can be improved on with less defoliation. There’s actual research that’s been put into this technique!
Because i want to do it this way. If it worked as good as he said it did we all would be getting 3lbs a fucking light. How do you think he came up with the ideal? Im sure it was trial and error. If it works for me make sure you don't try it.
 

Bigdaddy76

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Because i want to do it this way. If it worked as good as he said it did we all would be getting 3lbs a fucking light. How do you think he came up with the ideal? Im sure it was trial and error. If it works for me make sure you don't try it.
There’s more factors to getting “3 A Light” then just schwazzing. Like your light, strain, environment (HAVE TO run CO2 at 1500PPM) and nutrients! So saying you’d get 3lbs a light, if it worked is just asinine, unless all the other factors are met too! But we’d not be having this discussion if the other factors were met cause you’d be getting your “3 A Light”!
In Joshua Haupt’s most up to date commercial facilities,he’s getting 5 a light. However, that’s only in his updated facilities, not all of them. The rest is still around 3 a light. My mentor has personally seen it. He didn’t believe it until he saw it with his own eyes.
 
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Richalpha

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There’s more factors to getting “3 A Light” then just schwazzing. Like your light, strain, environment (HAVE TO run CO2 at 1500PPM) and nutrients! So saying you’d get 3lbs a light, if it worked is just asinine, unless all the other factors are met too! But we’d not be having this discussion if the other factors were met cause you’d be getting your “3 A Light”!
In Joshua Haupt’s most up to date commercial facilities,he’s getting 5 a light. However, that’s only in his updated facilities, not all of them. The rest is still around 3 a light. My mentor has personally seen it. He didn’t believe it until he saw it with his own eyes.
I've seen several of his videos. He mentions how he uses full spec led lights,gives alot of credit to his line of nutients, and mentions that genetics is also key. If he can do it, anyone can do it.

I have my environment in order- temp, humidity, and co2- aswell as my feeding schedule. My second harvest is looking like every bit of 2 pounds plus. Training methods and genetics is all that im missing. I kno how to top . i think swazzing will increase my canopy depth thats why its my main focus.20200918_152256.jpg
 
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Bigdaddy76

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I've seen several of his videos. He mentions how he uses full spec led lights,gives alot of credit to his line of nutients, and mentions that genetics is also key. If he can do it, anyone can do it.

I have my environment in order- temp, humidity, and co2- aswell as my feeding schedule. My second harvest is looking like every bit of 2 pounds plus. Training methods and genetics is all that im missing. I kno how to top . i think swazzing will increase my canopy depth thats why its my main focus.View attachment 4710382
Check out my canopy. Lots of training though! I’m also using their nutrients, Success Nutrients and absolutely love it! 210ECCDE-07A9-476F-BBA0-400A04E2B4B2.jpeg370E9DF4-E44F-417B-B5E9-52C99C7D8165.jpeg
 
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mia1998

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I have done defoliation at Day 1 then every 2 weeks. Increases yield for sure and helps the stretch. Ill pick it up and pdf it. We can all see if its worth a dime or not. 500 is still way too much for a book, bit to help the community ill share it.
Did you pdf it?
 
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