This Is Why I Believe.

IregAt420

Active Member
....there is a God.
Although there isn't any physical proof of his existence, hear me out. I will not be bashing atheism or any one that doesn't believe.

My example, is Love. It is an emotion we all feel. An emotion we all NEED. It is present in every single persons life, whether they are being loved, or they are loving someone/something(i.e. their BUDS:leaf:). Now, with that being said, has anyone here seen Love? Physically seen it? Now, I could go on with different emotions, but that would just spread this out too much.

The reason I believe there is a God is because there is plenty of proof that there are things beyond us, beyond what we can physically see, but what we physically feel. I believe God can reach down and touch us, in ways we can't describe, but I like to call them (loosely) as goosebumps =)

Please feel free to shut this theory of mine down. :bigjoint::weed:
 

LorDeMO

Active Member
You can't see an emotion...I do not understand your points but it's your right to have them.
 

IregAt420

Active Member
You can't see an emotion...I do not understand your points but it's your right to have them.
Well, think of it like this. Everyone wants some sort of physical proof that there is a God. Something you can see, touch, smell, taste whatever. You cannot see,touch, smell, or taste emotions, but they are there! We cannot see them, but we feel them none the less. Which proves to me that there are things beyond our knowledge and beyond us period.
 

LorDeMO

Active Member
We can't see atoms but we know they exist. There are things the naked eye cannot see yes, but we can still find their existence.
 

MuntantLizzard

Well-Known Member
'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.'
The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and
then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'


'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He
doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of
cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is
this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says.
He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir..'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God
created everything, then God created evil, since evil
exists, and according to the principle that our works define
who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness?
Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do
they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer.
Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom.
The class is mesmerized.


'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you
believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses
you use to identify and observe the world around you.
Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not..'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your
Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus
Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say
to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the
problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a
question of his own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '

'Yes.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.
The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to
explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat,
super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little
heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called
'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero,
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after
that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be
able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body
or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or
transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence
of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to
describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat
we can measure in thermal
units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of
heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as
darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.. 'What is
night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light,
bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light
constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness,
isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the
word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would
be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him.
This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you
making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed
to start with, and so your conclusion must also be
flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.
'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student
explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then
there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing
the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one. To view death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the
opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell
me, professor... Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young
man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he
realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester,
indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work
and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you
now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the
commotion has subsided. 'To continue the point you were
making earlier to the other student, let me give you an
example of what I mean.' The student looks around the
room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen
the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into
laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
professor's brain, felt the professor's brain,
touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears
to have done so. So, according to the established rules of
empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that
you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So
if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the
student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an
eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have
to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists
with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is
there such a thing as evil?' Now uncertain, the
professor responds, 'Of course, there is.. We see it
Everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity
to man. It is in The multitude of crime and violence
everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing
else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or
at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the
absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word
that man has created to describe the absence of God.. God
did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when
man does not have God's love present in his heart.
It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or
the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your
face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with
the title 'God vs. Science'

PS: the student was Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in
1921...[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
 

LorDeMO

Active Member
Omg, not this again. This shit comes up in every thread about religion. You do realise it's completely made up, right?
 

IregAt420

Active Member
An atom does not effect us tho. I know its the base of everything...but how does an atoma directly relate to something like our feelings and emotions? We love our families and would die to protect them. Thats serious shit right there.
When we(some people) get angry enough, we shoot and kill. Thats serious.

We cant see these feelings physically, but they effect us. And change our lives.
 

IregAt420

Active Member
Why do you say that? Its true....Ive never seen a rebuttle to that there "essay" that has caught my eye.
 

LorDeMO

Active Member
It is bullshit tho, don't believe me? Google your little speech and see the million of sources disputing it...
 

IregAt420

Active Member
Explain a LOGICAL situation where an atom effects our consciousness. It effects our being, yes, but does it effect how we live our lives? We each have different personalities, something else we cant see, and we each choose different paths. But an atom is common in every person, everything.

And yes, I am very high right now. Thank you:hump:bongsmilie
 
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