This for all the LED haters! Is that blurple I see kicking HID butt?

TacoMac said:

Nice.

This is one plant at week 5 flower. I use a 600 watt MH/HPS and typically net between 4 and 6 ounces per plant. This one is looking like it's going to be 6 at least.

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Kingrow1 said:

The scam is so many coming in here thinking they know but in reality they dont, this is what drove the bad science and hyped prices that puts you in the position you are presently in.

I however am better than a lot of what joins up recently and seem to have a much more realistic grasp on science and growing.

I did not teach noobs that leds are cool and solve heat problems, i taught noobs how to set the right ambients and then choose any damn light they please.

Please

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DinoTech said:

Here is an unbiased commercial grow with actual test results. HID lights are a thing of the past. Even the cheap LED lights can out grow HID lights now.

Enjoy the results video.....(lol, and its almost 4 years old!)

You can watch the first video that shows the grow and all the energy and heating issues before the results video if interested. Just look at the only other video they have posted. It is titled =
LED vs 1000W Double-Ended HPS Medical Cannabis Grow Test

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quirk said:

@TacoMac - That is outstanding. I'm happy with 2-3 oz. with my autos', but I know I'm not dialed in. Yet. I'll get there.

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Boatguy said:

Im not sold on the auto's.

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Boatguy said:

Im not sold on the auto's. Why mix a low potency plant with a high potency plant? You can just 12/12 a photo for similar yield with a better quality in roughly the same timeframe.
I do see the point of someone doing auto's outdoors for multiple harvests or avoiding the dodgy fall weather patterns in some area's. Auto's indoors seem pointless, but thats just my opinion

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boilingoil said:

The science is out there to grow with LEDs. It's just the way companies get away with half truths and deceive people. They all do it, even our government gets away with it.

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Kingrow1 said:

I find it a shame about autos, the dream of a small quick high yeilding plant dosent seem to have happened, i do better with photos for that

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molten said:

Friend of mine was drying some feminized autoflowers yesterday, Amnesia Haze, that were looking super interesting. Just about 10 weeks for the whole shootin' match. Seems like a good use for the greenhouse in the spring.

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TacoMac said:

It is and it isn't.

Some people are rating their lights inappropriately, that's for sure. They do the same thing with stereos and amplifiers. It's up to the consumer to do the actual homework to make sure they're buying a proper device.

For instance, you see a Yamaha stereo that boast 75 watts RMS and an off brand stereo boasting 400 watts. The uneducated person will buy the 400 watt brand thinking he's getting more power when he's not. It's where they rate that 400 watts and at what frequency that gives them the "legal" ability to put that 400 watt label on it.

Then of course that person is shocked when they hear how loud and crystal clear the Yamaha is when it's rated so much lower in power.

LED's are no different. You get these companies like Viaspectra that intentionally miss-rate their lights. For instance, they advertise this one:
watt LED light. But lets do the homework. How do they get that rating? Well, they get it by saying, "- (120pcs) High Intensity 5W Bridgelux/Epileds LEDs"

So, to them, since they have 120 bulbs on the fixture that have a maximum rating of 5 watts, that gives you a 600 watt fixture.

It's an outright, blatant lie as far as USEABLE power is concerned. When you look at the actual power rating of the fixture, you find this: "- Avg. Power Draw: 269W±3%

So in reality, you have at best a 275 watt light fixture.

So does it REALLY compare to a 600 watt HPS? Absolutely not. Not even in the ballpark. Hell, it's not even the same sport. And THAT is where a lot of people go wrong.

But if you do your homework you very quickly find out why the more expensive LED's are that expensive: They actually are WORTH IT because they actually have THE POWER.

A proper LED fixture in the proper setting is every bit as good as MH/HPS. The problem right now is all the misinformation around LED's with no industry standards to regulate how they're rated.

So do the homework. There's a reason those cheap LED lights are in fact so cheap.

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BarryBwana said:

What would you suggest to be a good light to supplement it with/replace? I would very much like to stay LED for the time being.

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