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DR. RESINTHUMB

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Breeding fine cannabis involves carefully choosing the breeding stock. To choose wisely we must first define male and female cannabis:Female Cannabis – The female cannabis plant, unlike the male, is grown to produce marijuana. Premium marijuana is produced in seedless form by eliminating all pollen sources from the growing environment. Seed production reduces the value of marijuana dramatically by lowering the yield and potency of the flowers. Hermaphrodites are plants expressing both male and female flowers. They may fool a grower who mistakes the “hermie” for a female – only to find his crop is ruined by the unexpected release of pollen. Knowledgeable marijuana breeders are very careful to avoid hermaphrodism in their seedlines.The attributes of a valuable female are the following (in descending order of importance):1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor/Yield
3. Potency
4. Flavor
5. Rate of flowering response
6. Resin production
7. Stature
8. Scent
9. Floral structure
10. Floral color
Male Cannabis – The male cannabis plant is essentially only useful for breeding. The male plant makes very poor marijuana, being mostly leaves without the dense resinous floral clusters of the female the yield is miserable. More importantly, the male of the species has virtually no potency in comparison to that of female cannabis. The males do carry genes that influence the expression of ALL the traits listed above, but not many of them are directly observable in the male itself due to the male phenotype being markedly different from the female phenotype. A male cannabis plant’s value is DEFINED by the quality of his daughters.
Naturally, when starting out with a large number of potential breeding individuals, one desires to “weed out” the undesirable individuals.The female is easy to evaluate because all the traits favoring marijuana production are directly observable in the female. It’s a simple matter of growing & flowering the females to grade their performance and smoking the resulting marijuana. The breeder then chooses only those females most closely matching the breeder’s personal ideal to be used as seed parents.The directly observable & important traits of male cannabis are as follows:1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor
3. Stature
4. Maturation rate
All males expressing poor quality in any of these traits should be culled so as not to pass the weak trait on to the progeny.Males are also be observed to have a certain scent and floral structure but the importance of these traits pale in comparison to those listed.The potency of male plants, and especially the potency difference between individual males in a group, is generally too subtle to be measured by anything short of professional scientific laboratory equipment. Moreover, there is no conclusive proof that the most potent male in a group actually creates the most potent female progeny, although it seems intuitive that that should be the case. The difficulty of determining a male plant’s potency is a major hurdle to proving this link.Thankfully, logic dictates that the potency of a male plant ITSELF isn’t very important, as we aren’t interested in growing males for marijuana production. The value of a male lies entirely in the traits he consistently passes on to his daughters. Therefore it’s unnecessary to identify the one male amongst a group of potential pollen donors with the greatest potency. It’s far more logical to evaluate the female progeny of each male to define the potency of each male in the group.Male cannabis individuals may be graded for quality by a controlled pollination of IDENTICAL female clones (one for each pollen donor). This isolates the influence of the male by holding CONSTANT the influence of the female on each cross. The seeds resulting from each clone are then grown and the progeny is graded to determine which of the crosses was the most successful. When the group with the most desirable female progeny is identified, the responsible male has been identified as the most valuable. Males can be kept in the vegetative state exactly like female “mother plants”, except that we should call them “dads” of course. Clones from the favored male can be flowered as needed along with the breeding female(s) when seeds are desired.Due to the clandestine nature of marijuana growing, in most cases there will only be about 10 males to be evaluated after culling all those with directly observable defects. Breeding with larger populations is always preferable, as genetics is a statistical “game”.Commercial breeders would clearly benefit from the development of a reliable method of identifying males with the greatest potential for passing on high potency genes. Perhaps someone will do the necessary research someday, but by following the above method, growers can accurately pin-point the ONE male in their small group which is the most potent…in the only meaningful sense of “male potency”.
 

nugbuckets

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Excellent Article/Posting .....See this is what this weed nerd forum is about......Education to broaden our minds and outlooks on things about growing a plant we love.....Not whether or not a breeders strains are from seed or clone only.....really who cares as long as the end product is proper proper.....
exactly!......
 

nugbuckets

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Breeding fine cannabis involves carefully choosing the breeding stock. To choose wisely we must first define male and female cannabis:Female Cannabis – The female cannabis plant, unlike the male, is grown to produce marijuana. Premium marijuana is produced in seedless form by eliminating all pollen sources from the growing environment. Seed production reduces the value of marijuana dramatically by lowering the yield and potency of the flowers. Hermaphrodites are plants expressing both male and female flowers. They may fool a grower who mistakes the “hermie” for a female – only to find his crop is ruined by the unexpected release of pollen. Knowledgeable marijuana breeders are very careful to avoid hermaphrodism in their seedlines.The attributes of a valuable female are the following (in descending order of importance):1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor/Yield
3. Potency
4. Flavor
5. Rate of flowering response
6. Resin production
7. Stature
8. Scent
9. Floral structure
10. Floral color
Male Cannabis – The male cannabis plant is essentially only useful for breeding. The male plant makes very poor marijuana, being mostly leaves without the dense resinous floral clusters of the female the yield is miserable. More importantly, the male of the species has virtually no potency in comparison to that of female cannabis. The males do carry genes that influence the expression of ALL the traits listed above, but not many of them are directly observable in the male itself due to the male phenotype being markedly different from the female phenotype. A male cannabis plant’s value is DEFINED by the quality of his daughters.
Naturally, when starting out with a large number of potential breeding individuals, one desires to “weed out” the undesirable individuals.The female is easy to evaluate because all the traits favoring marijuana production are directly observable in the female. It’s a simple matter of growing & flowering the females to grade their performance and smoking the resulting marijuana. The breeder then chooses only those females most closely matching the breeder’s personal ideal to be used as seed parents.The directly observable & important traits of male cannabis are as follows:1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor
3. Stature
4. Maturation rate
All males expressing poor quality in any of these traits should be culled so as not to pass the weak trait on to the progeny.Males are also be observed to have a certain scent and floral structure but the importance of these traits pale in comparison to those listed.The potency of male plants, and especially the potency difference between individual males in a group, is generally too subtle to be measured by anything short of professional scientific laboratory equipment. Moreover, there is no conclusive proof that the most potent male in a group actually creates the most potent female progeny, although it seems intuitive that that should be the case. The difficulty of determining a male plant’s potency is a major hurdle to proving this link.Thankfully, logic dictates that the potency of a male plant ITSELF isn’t very important, as we aren’t interested in growing males for marijuana production. The value of a male lies entirely in the traits he consistently passes on to his daughters. Therefore it’s unnecessary to identify the one male amongst a group of potential pollen donors with the greatest potency. It’s far more logical to evaluate the female progeny of each male to define the potency of each male in the group.Male cannabis individuals may be graded for quality by a controlled pollination of IDENTICAL female clones (one for each pollen donor). This isolates the influence of the male by holding CONSTANT the influence of the female on each cross. The seeds resulting from each clone are then grown and the progeny is graded to determine which of the crosses was the most successful. When the group with the most desirable female progeny is identified, the responsible male has been identified as the most valuable. Males can be kept in the vegetative state exactly like female “mother plants”, except that we should call them “dads” of course. Clones from the favored male can be flowered as needed along with the breeding female(s) when seeds are desired.Due to the clandestine nature of marijuana growing, in most cases there will only be about 10 males to be evaluated after culling all those with directly observable defects. Breeding with larger populations is always preferable, as genetics is a statistical “game”.Commercial breeders would clearly benefit from the development of a reliable method of identifying males with the greatest potential for passing on high potency genes. Perhaps someone will do the necessary research someday, but by following the above method, growers can accurately pin-point the ONE male in their small group which is the most potent…in the only meaningful sense of “male potency”.
thanks for the post, but i disagree with both priority lists of the male and female......except for the hermie part....most important.........but some of the chosen criteria are "hemp" trait influenced, and not "drug" trait influenced........esp, yield, vigor, and stature/structure....
 

smiceis

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for disliking sub so much you sure are antsy to toss out random, pointless updates in here 15yearsofbreathing.

for those of you that disagree with him, i suggest ignoring him completely, add to ignore list if you must, but lets not bog down the thread.

please dont feed the trolls

Ccoastal
:confused:What up Ccoastal and Nerds. I always look for Ccoastal to put people in their place and....bam, there you are. Haven't heard from you in a bit. Keep it dank nerds.


Cheers:weed:
 

Ccoastal

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ive been extremely busy lately, i dont like being the guy that comes in and says 'stfu' but eyy its the internet and people need it sometimes. :)

but now, back to your regularly scheduled posting in the nerdiverse..

Ccoastal
 

15yearsofbreeding

Actually 15 years of Age
Breeding fine cannabis involves carefully choosing the breeding stock. To choose wisely we must first define male and female cannabis:Female Cannabis – The female cannabis plant, unlike the male, is grown to produce marijuana. Premium marijuana is produced in seedless form by eliminating all pollen sources from the growing environment. Seed production reduces the value of marijuana dramatically by lowering the yield and potency of the flowers. Hermaphrodites are plants expressing both male and female flowers. They may fool a grower who mistakes the “hermie” for a female – only to find his crop is ruined by the unexpected release of pollen. Knowledgeable marijuana breeders are very careful to avoid hermaphrodism in their seedlines.The attributes of a valuable female are the following (in descending order of importance):1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor/Yield
3. Potency
4. Flavor
5. Rate of flowering response
6. Resin production
7. Stature
8. Scent
9. Floral structure
10. Floral color
Male Cannabis – The male cannabis plant is essentially only useful for breeding. The male plant makes very poor marijuana, being mostly leaves without the dense resinous floral clusters of the female the yield is miserable. More importantly, the male of the species has virtually no potency in comparison to that of female cannabis. The males do carry genes that influence the expression of ALL the traits listed above, but not many of them are directly observable in the male itself due to the male phenotype being markedly different from the female phenotype. A male cannabis plant’s value is DEFINED by the quality of his daughters.
Naturally, when starting out with a large number of potential breeding individuals, one desires to “weed out” the undesirable individuals.The female is easy to evaluate because all the traits favoring marijuana production are directly observable in the female. It’s a simple matter of growing & flowering the females to grade their performance and smoking the resulting marijuana. The breeder then chooses only those females most closely matching the breeder’s personal ideal to be used as seed parents.The directly observable & important traits of male cannabis are as follows:1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor
3. Stature
4. Maturation rate
All males expressing poor quality in any of these traits should be culled so as not to pass the weak trait on to the progeny.Males are also be observed to have a certain scent and floral structure but the importance of these traits pale in comparison to those listed.The potency of male plants, and especially the potency difference between individual males in a group, is generally too subtle to be measured by anything short of professional scientific laboratory equipment. Moreover, there is no conclusive proof that the most potent male in a group actually creates the most potent female progeny, although it seems intuitive that that should be the case. The difficulty of determining a male plant’s potency is a major hurdle to proving this link.Thankfully, logic dictates that the potency of a male plant ITSELF isn’t very important, as we aren’t interested in growing males for marijuana production. The value of a male lies entirely in the traits he consistently passes on to his daughters. Therefore it’s unnecessary to identify the one male amongst a group of potential pollen donors with the greatest potency. It’s far more logical to evaluate the female progeny of each male to define the potency of each male in the group.Male cannabis individuals may be graded for quality by a controlled pollination of IDENTICAL female clones (one for each pollen donor). This isolates the influence of the male by holding CONSTANT the influence of the female on each cross. The seeds resulting from each clone are then grown and the progeny is graded to determine which of the crosses was the most successful. When the group with the most desirable female progeny is identified, the responsible male has been identified as the most valuable. Males can be kept in the vegetative state exactly like female “mother plants”, except that we should call them “dads” of course. Clones from the favored male can be flowered as needed along with the breeding female(s) when seeds are desired.Due to the clandestine nature of marijuana growing, in most cases there will only be about 10 males to be evaluated after culling all those with directly observable defects. Breeding with larger populations is always preferable, as genetics is a statistical “game”.Commercial breeders would clearly benefit from the development of a reliable method of identifying males with the greatest potential for passing on high potency genes. Perhaps someone will do the necessary research someday, but by following the above method, growers can accurately pin-point the ONE male in their small group which is the most potent…in the only meaningful sense of “male potency”.
when breeding cannabis it's the female you're trying to make improvements on. the male is the most important part of any breeding program. a good the malegives character and every time he's crossed with any other strain/hybrid his character shows. he may produce fat colas with short internodes and he also controls flowering time. if u use a weak male in your breeding then everything that u produce from that male will be weak. your strain/hybrid is as strong as your male.Males change just as much as females do.Creating new dominante traits is the key. i spray my males with ethylene a few times until they partially reversed. Enough to show me gland structure, resin production and smell.
 

15yearsofbreeding

Actually 15 years of Age
anybody can cross pre-98 bubba to what every and get something special...So again, where is your work in the creation? Until then you are advertising a cut. Good for you for sharing with sick people. Do you need to be comedend or patted on your back for helping.
 

TorontoGQ

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anybody can cross pre-98 bubba to what every and get something special...So again, where is your work in the creation? Until then you are advertising a cut. Good for you for sharing with sick people. Do you need to be comedend or patted on your back for helping.
Oh brother.... what strain was it that you came up with again? Or what were those pics you showed before of your garden and how you developed this strain or that?......I'm sorry, my memory is bad can you please re-post the pics of your works and the names of your strains please.....Id really like to see em again.....
 

DR. RESINTHUMB

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i dont agree exactly with the post but alot makes sence...you need to gather the best males seed a female and grow those seeds to truly find the best breeding male
 

DR. RESINTHUMB

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thanks for the post, but i disagree with both priority lists of the male and female......except for the hermie part....most important.........but some of the chosen criteria are "hemp" trait influenced, and not "drug" trait influenced........esp, yield, vigor, and stature/structure....
i hear ya nug i dont agree 100% with the order either but it was good to point out to truly know the best male for breeding that select males must be bred into known female and those seeds grown out...a male might look great n smell great but a different male may hold greater potancy,smell,taste in the new crosses
 

DR. RESINTHUMB

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anybody can cross pre-98 bubba to what every and get something special...So again, where is your work in the creation? Until then you are advertising a cut. Good for you for sharing with sick people. Do you need to be comedend or patted on your back for helping.
i am referring to a female keeper from seed crossed with either a male from the same strain or a keeper male from another strain...not clone only
 
anybody can cross pre-98 bubba to what every and get something special...So again, where is your work in the creation? Until then you are advertising a cut. Good for you for sharing with sick people. Do you need to be comedend or patted on your back for helping.

isnt that kind of the reason you stupid son of a bitch. if someone isnt in the right circle to get a bubba cut, then why not make a cross, maybe cross it with a male that you know performs well. obviously you do not listen very well. usually, when someone is dealing with a "clone only" be it jacks cleaner, cheese, lemon g, deathstar, something like that. the goal is to make seeds, without having to self plants to create s1's, that means since its a clone only then there must not be a male. very few breeders these days are working lines into the f4 f5 generations and personally i do not know if its always better. ive grown out guaranteed f4 dj short flo and it has been shitty. then i've popped 5 jtr seeds and they were awesome. if you can pop ten beans and find a pheno that you are happy with then what's the problem. unfortunately properly making plant selections here in the states is a little different than say in switzerland. you cant exactly plant 3000 plants to make proper selections year after year. and this is 2012 dumbass. shits done changed. unfortunately the cannabis industry has opened the flood gates to dumb fucks like you that like to feel special tying to act like they actually know something about something and be all cocky about it. turn off your computer, leave your grandmothers basement, put the jergens away first, and go get a life troll. you are annoying
 

TorontoGQ

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isnt that kind of the reason you stupid son of a bitch. if someone isnt in the right circle to get a bubba cut, then why not make a cross, maybe cross it with a male that you know performs well. obviously you do not listen very well. usually, when someone is dealing with a "clone only" be it jacks cleaner, cheese, lemon g, deathstar, something like that. the goal is to make seeds, without having to self plants to create s1's, that means since its a clone only then there must not be a male. very few breeders these days are working lines into the f4 f5 generations and personally i do not know if its always better. ive grown out guaranteed f4 dj short flo and it has been shitty. then i've popped 5 jtr seeds and they were awesome. if you can pop ten beans and find a pheno that you are happy with then what's the problem. unfortunately properly making plant selections here in the states is a little different than say in switzerland. you cant exactly plant 3000 plants to make proper selections year after year. and this is 2012 dumbass. shits done changed. unfortunately the cannabis industry has opened the flood gates to dumb fucks like you that like to feel special tying to act like they actually know something about something and be all cocky about it. turn off your computer, leave your grandmothers basement, put the jergens away first, and go get a life troll. you are annoying

Hhahhahahahhahhahahha....
 

smiceis

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ive been extremely busy lately, i dont like being the guy that comes in and says 'stfu' but eyy its the internet and people need it sometimes. :)

but now, back to your regularly scheduled posting in the nerdiverse..

Ccoastal
:eyesmoke:What up Cc, you shouldn't mind a bit being that guy, it's just always nice the way you don't get crazy or rude and say what needs to be said. Good to hear your back in the nerdiverse. Have a DANK day sir.:weed:
 

Darwin Riddle

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I'm confused...did he say he sprays male plants with ethylene to reverse them? does he mean turn them female?...cause I'm no breeder but I was under the assumption that it is impossible to make a male plant turn fem...??...I know it is possible to do that with fems but...hey maybe I'm wrong..not even sure why I'm still reading this ass munch's comments...I'm just stoned I guess.
Got all my supplies for my Deep purple DWC grow....I can't wait!
 

Odovan

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wow turned into a mud slinging forum maybe i am in the wrong place this is the weed nerd forum right what with the attitudes love your brother nerd.
 

RawBudzski

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your so right you're confused and you're no breeder. people in California spread fake cuts everyday just to make a quick buck and it's made it harder for everyone the world round to get real cuts of anything.
I could swear some people donate cuttings of there lamest plants.
 
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