Olive Drab Green
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And don't you dare say that Satan put dinosaur fossils in the ground to test us, because that's exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. False. Dinosaurs existed.
The universe itself is God
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ttystikk
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Get used to it. Everyone seems to be getting in on this act.
ttystikk
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But Smurfs are indeed emissaries of the devil.
Chunky Stool
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Don't forget about Joshua. He took ethnic cleansing to a new level. Entire cities got "put to the sword". Every living thing got skewered. (Newborn babies, puppies, you name it.)
That's some sick shit!
Oh but the bible said those people were bad.
Really? And who wrote the bible? The people doing the killing, that's who.
Chunky Stool
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Actually, we created god in our image -- including emotions like jealousy & anger.
I don't know what happens when we die, but I am certain that wherever I end up, I'll fit in. Even if it's just lights out, game over.
Grandpapy
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Does God need to?, hold on Im digging out my Black Sabbath and a turntable.
x15
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genesis is general categories, for example, for animals but...
first, we have nature's record of fossils so we know they were real, duh.
second, we have the biblical records which mentions great terrible reptiles which verify the fossil records, so here we go...
Genesis 1:21 (NASB Strong's)
21 God created the great sea monsters (taniyn) and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 (NRSV)
21 So God created the great sea monsters (taniyn) and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 (CJB)
21 God created the great sea creatures (taniyn) and every living thing that creeps, so that the water swarmed with all kinds of them, and there was every kind of winged bird; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 (KJV Strong's)
21 And God created great whales (taniyn), and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
the hebrew word for reptile is 'taniyn' or 'tannin' or 'tanniyn' or 'tanneem.' sometimes 'taniyn' is mistranslated to monster or whale or cow or dragon or hippopotamus, it should be reptile. EDIT: the king james version has the incorrect translation for great 'taniyn'
here is why,
remember the famous aaron throws down a stick in front of pharaoh & it turns to a 'taniyn' a reptile most likely a snake/serpent or crocodile
(ESV Strong's) 9 “When Pharaoh says to you, ‘Prove yourselves by working a miracle,’ then you shall say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and cast it down before Pharaoh, that it may become a serpent (taniyn).'” 10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron cast down his staff before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent (taniyn)."
notice in the kjv 'whale' would be the incorrect translation for 'taniyn?"
the confusion stems from a mistranslation from the "Septuagint' greek translation from the hebrew texts which mistranslates 'taniyn' to 'whale' & not reptile.
so, how does one translate big reptile into greek?
'deinos' — 'big, terrible' or 'fearfully great'
'sauros' — 'reptile'
dinosaur! presto!
if the greek had been faithful to the hebrew language the bible would say 'dinosaurs' not whales nor dragons
more big reptiles
Ezekiel 29:3 (NASB Strong's)
3 Speak and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God,
“Behold, I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt,
The great (gadol) monster (taniyn) that lies in the midst of his rivers,
That has said, ‘My Nile is mine, and I myself have made it.’
Ezekiel 32:2 (ESV Strong's)
2 “Son of man, raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him:
“You consider yourself a lion of the nations,
but you are like a dragon (taniyn) in the seas;
you burst forth in your rivers,
trouble the waters with your feet,
and foul their rivers.'
'great monster' should read 'great reptile'
the hebrew word for giant, great, mighty is 'gadol'
'gadol taniyn'
a mighty or great or giant reptile large enough to trouble the waters with it's feet & foul their rivers
'dalah' - to make turbid, stir up, trouble
peace
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Olive Drab Green
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TL;DR. Love you, bro, but I just don't believe in a Judeo-Christian God. I don't believe God is that arrogant or condemning. Fear is not love. In the Bible, God is guilty of envy, wrath, and pride--the same things he says to us are sin. And if God created everything, God created Evil, and there would be no need for a Devil. Also, if the Devil were an angel, it would have to be God's will that he fall, because what separates man from angel is free will. Satan, being an angel, would be incapable of rebelling, along with the other angels.
Chunky Stool
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If everything comes from god, the devil is included. He is a key player in the game & if he quits, it's over.
Blaming the devil for everything is pointless. He is just doing his job.
Chunky Stool
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It always cracks me up when sports figures give credit to god when they play well, but there's zero blame when they play like shit. Where was god when you dropped the ball? Is he mad at you? Maybe you didn't donate enough money...
Dalek Supreme
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According to the Buybull the Earth existed before light. We are star stuff that burned out billions of years before Earth even existed.i see your point, but, i would like to say it would be 'God of the gaps' if we did not have prior knowledge of creation from the bible (God's revelation of Himself) which so exquisitely & perfectly spells out exactly how the universe as we know it was created, written many thousands of years ago prior to what science is just now confirming to be true.
moses to scientists, 'youre welcome'.
for example,
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
what science now confirms,
1. the universe did indeed have a beginning
2. darkness has been/is predominant in the universe since the beginning
3. light did separate from darkness — energy first then light
4. earth was a water planet at one time then land masses
5. time had a beginning — energy first then time
6. mass had a beginning — energy first then mass
7. the universe was made first then the earth — correct order
8. the earth was indeed formless at one time
9. the five 'ultimate scientific ideas' from herbert spencer (darwin's contemporary): time, force, action, space, & matter (in the beginning, God, created, heavens, earth)
the genesis account is even in the correct order of creation as science now confirms it. scientists did not believe these things just 50 years ago but now it is the consensus backed up by research, see above links from nasa, alexander vilenkin from a previous post.
the God of the bible revealed these things at a time when humankind could in not prove these things to be true, hence, revelation from the creator or a remarkable coincidence.
here's my favorite who got it right first, bible vs science quotes from almost 2000 years ago:
bible, ''...what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.' hebrew's 11.3 (esv)
science "molecules, atoms, energy,..."
pretty profound i'd say or what a coincidence
& by the way, if youre going to use 'God of the gaps' the same is true for atheists, 'atheist of the gaps' anybody but God by inserting anything other than God or non-materialistic regardless as to whether it makes sense or not.
There's a molten glass dome (firmament) that separates the ocean waters from the waters of Heaven. This is observational (just look up at the blue sky 360° degrees) with ignorance of water molecules in the stratosphere.
The Sun is created after the Earth, along with the stars, and the Moon is it's own light.
The ancient Goat herders got plants being the first life right.
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Genesis 1:26 And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.'"
Here is the first hint that the Buybull has polytheistic origins that was changed to monotheism.
Hebrews 11:3Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
"3 by faith we understand the ages to have been prepared by a saying of God, in regard to the things seen not having come out of things appearing;"
Yeah... Powerful enough to speak things into existence, but have followers doing mental gymnastics to ignore evidence to the contrary.
The "God of the gaps" is alive & well in the Dopamine addicted minds of people that want to step out of reality instead of doing the work of making things better for future generations.
Dalek Supreme
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WOW! This along with the pseudoscience of Carl Jung in your signature.
Please! What strain & breeder for your smoke?
Dalek Supreme
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OH! I see. You take chemicals that invert your subconscious thoughts into your waking consciousness along with man's evolutionary capacity for patternicity, and interpret as having meaning that's relevant?
Smooth....
Dalek Supreme
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This is bullshit. Get educated...Please.i see your point, but, i would like to say it would be 'God of the gaps' if we did not have prior knowledge of creation from the bible (God's revelation of Himself) which so exquisitely & perfectly spells out exactly how the universe as we know it was created, written many thousands of years ago prior to what science is just now confirming to be true.
moses to scientists, 'youre welcome'.
for example,
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
what science now confirms,
1. the universe did indeed have a beginning
2. darkness has been/is predominant in the universe since the beginning
3. light did separate from darkness — energy first then light
4. earth was a water planet at one time then land masses
5. time had a beginning — energy first then time
6. mass had a beginning — energy first then mass
7. the universe was made first then the earth — correct order
8. the earth was indeed formless at one time
9. the five 'ultimate scientific ideas' from herbert spencer (darwin's contemporary): time, force, action, space, & matter (in the beginning, God, created, heavens, earth)
the genesis account is even in the correct order of creation as science now confirms it. scientists did not believe these things just 50 years ago but now it is the consensus backed up by research, see above links from nasa, alexander vilenkin from a previous post.
the God of the bible revealed these things at a time when humankind could in not prove these things to be true, hence, revelation from the creator or a remarkable coincidence.
here's my favorite who got it right first, bible vs science quotes from almost 2000 years ago:
bible, ''...what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.' hebrew's 11.3 (esv)
science "molecules, atoms, energy,..."
pretty profound i'd say or what a coincidence
& by the way, if youre going to use 'God of the gaps' the same is true for atheists, 'atheist of the gaps' anybody but God by inserting anything other than God or non-materialistic regardless as to whether it makes sense or not.
Ever try talking to an addict out of addiction? The same neurochemical processes are at work for thought addictions.
Your addiction is God belief. Anything that goes against this causes cognitive dissonance. This is the Dopamine strengthened pathways in the brain that are bridges getting yanked at because deviations from the expected reward (Heaven) is ingrained.
In other words the ancient part of the brain that motivates for the gathering of resources & reproduction is overtaking the more modern thinking frontal lobe.
Dalek Supreme
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Dinosaurs in ancient Egypt?genesis is general categories, for example, for animals but...
first, we have nature's record of fossils so we know they were real, duh.
second, we have the biblical records which mentions great terrible reptiles which verify the fossil records, so here we go...
Genesis 1:21 (NASB Strong's)
21 God created the great sea monsters (taniyn) and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 (NRSV)
21 So God created the great sea monsters (taniyn) and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 (CJB)
21 God created the great sea creatures (taniyn) and every living thing that creeps, so that the water swarmed with all kinds of them, and there was every kind of winged bird; and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 (KJV Strong's)
21 And God created great whales (taniyn), and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
the hebrew word for reptile is 'taniyn' or 'tannin' or 'tanniyn' or 'tanneem.' sometimes 'taniyn' is mistranslated to monster or whale or cow or dragon or hippopotamus, it should be reptile. EDIT: the king james version has the incorrect translation for great 'taniyn'
here is why,
remember the famous aaron throws down a stick in front of pharaoh & it turns to a 'taniyn' a reptile most likely a snake/serpent or crocodile
(ESV Strong's) 9 “When Pharaoh says to you, ‘Prove yourselves by working a miracle,’ then you shall say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and cast it down before Pharaoh, that it may become a serpent (taniyn).'” 10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron cast down his staff before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent (taniyn)."
notice in the kjv 'whale' would be the incorrect translation for 'taniyn?"
the confusion stems from a mistranslation from the "Septuagint' greek translation from the hebrew texts which mistranslates 'taniyn' to 'whale' & not reptile.
so, how does one translate big reptile into greek?
'deinos' — 'big, terrible' or 'fearfully great'
'sauros' — 'reptile'
dinosaur! presto!
if the greek had been faithful to the hebrew language the bible would say 'dinosaurs' not whales nor dragons
more big reptiles
Ezekiel 29:3 (NASB Strong's)
3 Speak and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God,
“Behold, I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt,
The great (gadol) monster (taniyn) that lies in the midst of his rivers,
That has said, ‘My Nile is mine, and I myself have made it.’
Ezekiel 32:2 (ESV Strong's)
2 “Son of man, raise a lamentation over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him:
“You consider yourself a lion of the nations,
but you are like a dragon (taniyn) in the seas;
you burst forth in your rivers,
trouble the waters with your feet,
and foul their rivers.'
'great monster' should read 'great reptile'
the hebrew word for giant, great, mighty is 'gadol'
'gadol taniyn'
a mighty or great or giant reptile large enough to trouble the waters with it's feet & foul their rivers
'dalah' - to make turbid, stir up, trouble
peace
Not like they had Nile Crocs.
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iHearAll
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If god is god. Then god controls the fact that some dont believe in god and always will control everything. No argument is right since every argument is right.
The universe has a beginning because of perspective. It probably has no beginning. Death will call for every soul and explain this truth to each body being dismantled into particles and erased from the arguement against it.
The beginning is a perspective of counsciousness. The brain can only percieve so large of a reality. As far fetched as that may seem to science, it will explain itself in a useable, mathematical, tangible way. This will allow worm holes, time travel, paradoxes, partial realities.
If i live in a universe of constant creation, i can declare an artistic expression of god. Because any character i invent is subject to limitless possibilities, it will effect the world around it, as if it were god itself. Because, everything, everyone, is part of god.
"Nothing" is called space. Space first fills with everything. Space is the idea separating existance from nonexistance. Nonexiatance is a thing, space is not. The place that is called space is actually a place of creation. It will take everything and create everything.
Hare krishna
Hare rama
These are characters that are god because imagination may say so. They are not if imagination says it is not. But to say there is no god is to say there is no word for god.
Admitting you have spoken the name, GOD, is all it takes to see in yourself that you understand the way god works. God does everything forever and will never have to answer for a crime on anything. We need to take care of others and ourselves because God is in control.
Man fears death too much. Nobody survives in the bible. Even God slays the human form of Jesus Christ. The soul that is the epitomey of goodness.
Well if god is in control then why wouldnt i just do what i want? You can and have been but you probably arent a creative individual and that's a personal problem.
The universe has a beginning because of perspective. It probably has no beginning. Death will call for every soul and explain this truth to each body being dismantled into particles and erased from the arguement against it.
The beginning is a perspective of counsciousness. The brain can only percieve so large of a reality. As far fetched as that may seem to science, it will explain itself in a useable, mathematical, tangible way. This will allow worm holes, time travel, paradoxes, partial realities.
If i live in a universe of constant creation, i can declare an artistic expression of god. Because any character i invent is subject to limitless possibilities, it will effect the world around it, as if it were god itself. Because, everything, everyone, is part of god.
"Nothing" is called space. Space first fills with everything. Space is the idea separating existance from nonexistance. Nonexiatance is a thing, space is not. The place that is called space is actually a place of creation. It will take everything and create everything.
Hare krishna
Hare rama
These are characters that are god because imagination may say so. They are not if imagination says it is not. But to say there is no god is to say there is no word for god.
Admitting you have spoken the name, GOD, is all it takes to see in yourself that you understand the way god works. God does everything forever and will never have to answer for a crime on anything. We need to take care of others and ourselves because God is in control.
Man fears death too much. Nobody survives in the bible. Even God slays the human form of Jesus Christ. The soul that is the epitomey of goodness.
Well if god is in control then why wouldnt i just do what i want? You can and have been but you probably arent a creative individual and that's a personal problem.
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