The true 'earth juice' tutorial 2011!!!!

if you used earth juice natural up and down for a year then you were ph'ing the whole time - your post makes no sense. If you were feeding with earth juice grow/flower and just didn't touch the ph at all, thats a whole different thing, bro.

sharpshoota, you make no sense with the post you made is what I was trying to say - whether natural or not, ph up and down is harmful to beneficial bacteria whether or not they are in the medium or in the nutrient mix - you are still adding the mix to the medium, hence THEN harming the bacteria. If your soil is "properly sweetened" with lime, the ph of the water doesn't really matter all that much - rain water is up to 8 or more, sometimes down to 6, yet outdoors plants thrive all the time. bioactivity can live in soil with a ph of 5 to 7 or even 8 - but the cannabis plants nutrient capabilities uptake lies at 5.5 to 6.3 (optimum). The lime in the soil helps everything - the bioactivity, the npk, micros, macros, everything adjust itself. I water sometimes with a nute solution thats down to 5.2 (when adding silica, lowers ph drastically) I check ph but don't adjust and my buds are terrific, nice and frosty, no burnt tips, no lost lower growth. If you are truly growing organically.

what about if your using the earth juice line of nutes in a hydro drip set up? Does the above 3lb grow nute mix the same for hydro? Also, when would you add in the earth juice assist?

I dont use earth juice, but I do make worm casting teas. My tap water pH is up to probably 8 or 9 it is pretty ridiculous. Yesterday I went out and bought a pH test kit (for fish tank) and some tap water conditioner. Wasn't sure about the conditioner so I looked into it. Sodium thiosulfate and EDTA salts; I read some studies on them, and they don't do what I was worried about (kill beneficials). Anyways here are the studies I believe the tap water conditioner is actually beneficial itself: www.pw.ucr.edu/textfiles/PNAS_5189.pdf ; datasheets.scbt.com/sc-204735.pdf. If I am reading these right, beneficials feed on the output of the sodium thiosulfate. The EDTA tetrasodium is a little scary sounding because it raises the availability of heavy metals to the plants. They use it on plants to clean the environment of toxins and pollutants, but there is not enough heavy metals in the water source and organic soil for me to worry about too many heavy metals.

Anyways why i posted:
When I make my teas with base water of 8-9 pH, after adding everything it is right in the area of 6-7, perfect enough for me.

Hey Stink, are you there? How did the girls turn out? The pics you posted were awesome. Not a hint of tip burn at all.

Anyhoo, I wanted to wiegh in on two things, since I work in a laboratory.
First pH is properly spelled with a lowercase p and an uppercase H. pH is a logarithmic read on the hydrogen ion. Not that anyone cares. Just sayin.
Second pH absolutly and positively affects bacterial life. A simple pH change can kill off a population of microbes, or help create good breeding conditions.
Either way, follow the directions because the manufacturer has done extensive research and is giving you the tools you need to create optimal conditions with thier product. In my line of work people often try to be 'clever' and outsmart something. Happens all the time. Backfires with a 99.9975% success rate. LOL

BTW what does everyone use to pH their soil and solutions? I'd like to know if anyone has a process that they feel gives an acurate result. Indicator testing using dip strips or color change can't give consistant readings.
Thanks, and happy growing.

I just started using the Earth juice and I have a question. I know the tea needs to brew for 24-48 hours, but does anyone know how long the stuff is good for? Just curios if I could make up a big batch and it be good all week, for 2-3 feedings; or if I have any leftover if I need to just pitch it?

Hey all, I just wanted to say that I was not trying to hi-jack this thread by asking about pH. If you have a comment just slip it in your Earth Juice rap and I'll read it for sure.

sorry for the misunderstanding ibezphil, all i was saying is that is doesnt matter if the ph/up/down you use is synthetic or organic... its the ph that effects the beneficials.
(ex. if you put in water that is ph 4 you will destroy your rhizosphere and have to re-inoculate.)

halberd22 said:

I just started using the Earth juice and I have a question. I know the tea needs to brew for 24-48 hours, but does anyone know how long the stuff is good for? Just curios if I could make up a big batch and it be good all week, for 2-3 feedings; or if I have any leftover if I need to just pitch it?

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i would say no more than 4 days, keep it aerated at all times.
i forgot a 5 gal bucket i had brewing in my garage and the lid damn near blew off when i got to it about 3or4 days later

sharpshoota said:

sorry for the misunderstanding ibezphil, all i was saying is that is doesnt matter if the ph/up/down you use is synthetic or organic... its the ph that effects the beneficials.
(ex. if you put in water that is ph 4 you will destroy your rhizosphere and have to re-inoculate.)

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MUch better, my friend.

Does anyone here use the EJ rainbow mix and primal harvest or the other EJ guanos for your tea? For a year now, Ive been using rainbow mix grow and bloom and primal harvest. I like them. Since they are in powder form every thing livens up faster and the tea is ready in 12 hours. im thinking of trying the other EJ guanos. Any thoughts???

I've been using the whole EJ line up for a bit over a year with outstanding results. I grow in amended Promix with Roots, guano, blood and bone meal, very similar to Subcools. Some Roots Exc during veg, and Canna Pk13/14 when starting to flower, and adding guano to the EJ flower schedule at a rate of once a week during flowering stopping at the last two weeks. That is all I use along with the entire EJ lineup: grow, bloom, catalyst, microblast, meta k and hi-brix molasses (EJ produced item). With the addition of the molasse(hi-brix) and the guano in the teas I have been amazed of the results I get. The closest line that I've used other EJ is the Bio Canna line yet I feel they come short when compared to EJ in the final results.

I strictly use Guano Kalong but I'm sure the EJ line of guanos are excellent. After several grows of fussing with AN's line, and overspending on them I tried out EJ and highly doubt that I'll ever use any other nutes, oh and btw I should mention that they are some of the most inexpensive nutes, and totally organic!

I keep two 40 gallon tubs of water aerating with a pump, while one is brewing with the EJ grow/bloom/hi-brix for a minimum of 24 hours prior to applying other additives, the other is just water. I wouldn't bother using EJ if this step is omitted, or in a hydro setup due to clogging.

If you are lazy to bubble your earth juice tea just use enzymes to break it down faster!! Let sit for an hour and its perfect to use and your ph will rise to 5.5

this thread is awesome

this is a recipe on ej website. why the verdi fire? why not add more ej grow? their big bloomin guano is just P, is this helping any? also is this recipe too strong to replace water and use at every watering? and is this recipe acceptable in a soilless medium?

The EJ “GIANT” Grow Tea-TP
Vegetative formula

1. EJ Grow: 1Tbsp
2. Big Bloomin Guano: 1tsp
3. Catalyst: 1tsp
4. MicroBlast: 1tsp
5. Verde Fire Grow: 1tsp
6. Hi-Brix MFP: 2tsp
7. Meta-K: 1/4 tsp
8. OilyCan: 1 tsp
9. Assist: 1/2tsp
10. Bio-Righteous: 1/2tsp
11. Rooter’s Mycorrhizae 1/2tsp. If store for more than 5 days, recommend to add just prior to using.

Use with no dilution. Can store closed and vented in a cool area out of direct sunlight for 2-3 days.
Store “cold” up to 2 weeks.

nicko0 said:

this is a recipe on ej website. why the verdi fire? why not add more ej grow? their big bloomin guano is just P, is this helping any? also is this recipe too strong to replace water and use at every watering? and is this recipe acceptable in a soilless medium?

The EJ “GIANT” Grow Tea-TP
Vegetative formula

1. EJ Grow: 1Tbsp
2. Big Bloomin Guano: 1tsp
3. Catalyst: 1tsp
4. MicroBlast: 1tsp
5. Verde Fire Grow: 1tsp
6. Hi-Brix MFP: 2tsp
7. Meta-K: 1/4 tsp
8. OilyCan: 1 tsp
9. Assist: 1/2tsp
10. Bio-Righteous: 1/2tsp
11. Rooter’s Mycorrhizae 1/2tsp. If store for more than 5 days, recommend to add just prior to using.

Use with no dilution. Can store closed and vented in a cool area out of direct sunlight for 2-3 days.
Store “cold” up to 2 weeks.

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hey not bad, so I just gotta buy 11 different bottles right?
sweet, what a deal!

greasemonkeymann said:

hey not bad, so I just gotta buy 11 different bottles right?
sweet, what a deal!

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Lmao

right? could someone evaluate the recipe tho?

Thread Necro. I'm bubbling some Earth Juice now. Any opinions on Earth Juice now that it's 2017?

I gave my 4 week old NYC sour diesel autos Earth Juice grow, bloom and catalyst at a quarter strength. They seem to be handling it ok. I have a few curling leaf tips and some darkening but they are doing fine overall.

Having a cal mag problem. Going to get some oily cann.