The Top Ten Reasons Conservatives Should Vote For Obama

ElBarto

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From Andrew Sullivan:

10. A body blow to racial identity politics. An end to the era of Jesse Jackson in black America.

9. Less debt. Yes, Obama will raise taxes on those earning over a quarter of a million. And he will spend on healthcare, Iraq, Afghanistan and the environment. But so will McCain. He plans more spending on health, the environment and won't touch defense of entitlements. And his refusal to touch taxes means an extra $4 trillion in debt over the massive increase presided over by Bush. And the CBO estimates that McCain's plans will add more to the debt over four years than Obama's. Fiscal conservatives have a clear choice.

8. A return to realism and prudence in foreign policy. Obama has consistently cited the foreign policy of George H. W. Bush as his inspiration. McCain's knee-jerk reaction to the Georgian conflict, his commitment to stay in Iraq indefinitely, and his brinksmanship over Iran's nuclear ambitions make him a far riskier choice for conservatives. The choice between Obama and McCain is like the choice between George H.W. Bush's first term and George W.'s.

7. An ability to understand the difference between listening to generals and delegating foreign policy to them.

6. Temperament. Obama has the coolest, calmest demeanor of any president since Eisenhower. Conservatism values that kind of constancy, especially compared with the hot-headed, irrational impulsiveness of McCain.

5. Faith. Obama's fusion of Christianity and reason, his non-fundamentalist faith, is a critical bridge between the new atheism and the new Christianism.

4. A truce in the culture war. Obama takes us past the debilitating boomer warfare that has raged since the 1960s. Nothing has distorted our politics so gravely; nothing has made a rational politics more elusive.

3. Two words: President Palin.

2. Conservative reform. Until conservatism can get a distance from the big-spending, privacy-busting, debt-ridden, crony-laden, fundamentalist, intolerant, incompetent and arrogant faux conservatism of the Bush-Cheney years, it will never regain a coherent message to actually govern this country again. The survival of conservatism requires a temporary eclipse of today's Republicanism. Losing would be the best thing to happen to conservatism since 1964. Back then, conservatives lost in a landslide for the right reasons. Now, Republicans are losing in a landslide for the wrong reasons.

1. The War Against Islamist terror. The strategy deployed by Bush and Cheney has failed. It has failed to destroy al Qaeda, except in a country, Iraq, where their presence was minimal before the US invasion. It has failed to bring any of the terrorists to justice, instead creating the excresence of Gitmo, torture, secret sites, and the collapse of America's reputation abroad. It has empowered Iran, allowed al Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan, made the next vast generation of Muslims loathe America, and imperiled our alliances. We need smarter leadership of the war: balancing force with diplomacy, hard power with better p.r., deploying strategy rather than mere tactics, and self-confidence rather than a bunker mentality.

Those conservatives who remain convinced, as I do, that Islamist terror remains the greatest threat to the West cannot risk a perpetuation of the failed Manichean worldview of the past eight years, and cannot risk the possibility of McCain making rash decisions in the middle of a potentially catastrophic global conflict. If you are serious about the war on terror and believe it is a war we have to win, the only serious candidate is Barack Obama.
 
From Andrew Sullivan:

10. A body blow to racial identity politics. An end to the era of Jesse Jackson in black America.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? I'm not not voting for Obama because of his skin color. I'm voting against him because of his ideology and policies.

9. Less debt. Yes, Obama will raise taxes on those earning over a quarter of a million. And he will spend on healthcare, Iraq, Afghanistan and the environment. But so will McCain. He plans more spending on health, the environment and won't touch defense of entitlements. And his refusal to touch taxes means an extra $4 trillion in debt over the massive increase presided over by Bush. And the CBO estimates that McCain's plans will add more to the debt over four years than Obama's. Fiscal conservatives have a clear choice.

Uhm, you see the problem with that is that Obama is proposing right around $1 Trillion in new spending, ending the War in Iraq isn't going to cover that, neither is cutting the Bush Tax Cuts. Especially with the economy the way it is, and the way it appears to be going.


8. A return to realism and prudence in foreign policy. Obama has consistently cited the foreign policy of George H. W. Bush as his inspiration. McCain's knee-jerk reaction to the Georgian conflict, his commitment to stay in Iraq indefinitely, and his brinksmanship over Iran's nuclear ambitions make him a far riskier choice for conservatives. The choice between Obama and McCain is like the choice between George H.W. Bush's first term and George W.'s.

Obama's foreign policy sounds like the typically Democrat position, fuck your buddy, only this time the buddy we are going to be screwing over will be Israel in the event of hostile actions by Iran.

You, know, the last time we screwed over one of our "friends" was under Carter, and that was the Shah of Iran. Hmm... you know, this isn't that surprising, everyone saw how fast Obama "Obama'd" Rezko, Johnson, and Wright.

7. An ability to understand the difference between listening to generals and delegating foreign policy to them.

Obama wouldn't know how to listen to a general if one gave him Patton's speach about understanding fornication and fighting, neither of which Obama understands as based on his loud mouth approach to talking about what his "strategies" would be.

You know, last time I checked, stating that you were going to violate the sovereign territory of another nation was called a declaration of war.

6. Temperament. Obama has the coolest, calmest demeanor of any president since Eisenhower. Conservatism values that kind of constancy, especially compared with the hot-headed, irrational impulsiveness of McCain.

You obviously didn't see him during the 3rd debate, or maybe you did, and thought his inability to actually come back some other response than "that's not true" was intelligent and witty. Let's not forget that during the first debate he also stated that "that's not true", as he did during the second debate.

There's also the fact that outside of the "that's not true" line his second favorite line was "I agree with Senator McCain" or "I agree with John". Perhaps this can only serve to illustrate that Obama does not have the mental faculties to think on his own and thus his not a leader, but merely a follower who takes the ideas of others and presents them as his own.

I also thought of something else. If another 9/11 happens, I want a president that is going to get pissed off about it instead of sitting there like a fish out of water gulping for air while thinking, "What would the party leadership do? what would marx do? what would lenin do? shit, shit, shit, what would the party leadership do? must look calm. What would the party leadership do? shit, must look calm, must look calm. Breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out, what would the party leadership do? must look calm, what would the looking calm do? must party leadership. What would the calm do? must do the party leadership."

Yes, I can just see how having this "calm" leader would play out in the event of another 9/11.

5. Faith. Obama's fusion of Christianity and reason, his non-fundamentalist faith, is a critical bridge between the new atheism and the new Christianism.

The problem with that is that Obama clearly does not have a faith, otherwise he would be willing to take a stance on harder issues such as abortion, and more willing to stand by his friends (those same one's that he "obama'd".)

4. A truce in the culture war. Obama takes us past the debilitating boomer warfare that has raged since the 1960s. Nothing has distorted our politics so gravely; nothing has made a rational politics more elusive.

There is no culture war, there's poor people of every color, white, black, brown, yellow. There's no culture war, except for the class war that Obama is striving to create with his "Tax the Rich" statements. Of course that's typical socialist bs as any student of history is able to tell you.

3. Two words: President Palin.

No, Obama would be worse than Palin. That, and I really don't think that McCain is in any danger of dying. In case you didn't notice his bellicosity doesn't seem to have caused him to have any kind of heart attack. So its clear that he's still able to deal with high blood pressure.

2. Conservative reform. Until conservatism can get a distance from the big-spending, privacy-busting, debt-ridden, crony-laden, fundamentalist, intolerant, incompetent and arrogant faux conservatism of the Bush-Cheney years, it will never regain a coherent message to actually govern this country again. The survival of conservatism requires a temporary eclipse of today's Republicanism. Losing would be the best thing to happen to conservatism since 1964. Back then, conservatives lost in a landslide for the right reasons. Now, Republicans are losing in a landslide for the wrong reasons.

No, we're losing in a landslide because McCain is the exact opposite of everything the party stands for, and thus the voters are confused, because both candidates sound almost the same.

McCain made some drastic, elementary, mistakes.

1. Not proposing cutting taxes across the board (tax credits are BS)
2. Not harping on the need to privatize Social Security.
3. Not harping on the need to privatize Medicaid and Medicare, which are steadily consuming the federal budget.
4. Not pointing out that the federal government needs to switch to defined-contribution plans as opposed to defined-benefit pensions, because the defined-benefit plans are going to bankrupt this country.

1. The War Against Islamist terror. The strategy deployed by Bush and Cheney has failed. It has failed to destroy al Qaeda, except in a country, Iraq, where their presence was minimal before the US invasion. It has failed to bring any of the terrorists to justice, instead creating the excresence of Gitmo, torture, secret sites, and the collapse of America's reputation abroad. It has empowered Iran, allowed al Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan, made the next vast generation of Muslims loathe America, and imperiled our alliances. We need smarter leadership of the war: balancing force with diplomacy, hard power with better p.r., deploying strategy rather than mere tactics, and self-confidence rather than a bunker mentality.

There's no point in responding to this portion, it's using words that don't exist, but here it goes, with the Victory in Iraq looming there will be nothing left but to start sending troops to Afghanistan. The surge worked, and now it is time to shift focus to the other theater.

Though, I swear the very fact that this mentions our reputation abroad is ludicrous. It doesn't matter what other nations think of us. The only thing that matters is what we think of ourselves.

Which is why Republicans hate Democrats so much. How is it possible for any nation to respect us when there is a group of traitors amongst us that is always seeking to apologize for our actions, and for our very existence?

Those conservatives who remain convinced, as I do, that Islamist terror remains the greatest threat to the West cannot risk a perpetuation of the failed Manichean worldview of the past eight years, and cannot risk the possibility of McCain making rash decisions in the middle of a potentially catastrophic global conflict. If you are serious about the war on terror and believe it is a war we have to win, the only serious candidate is Barack Obama.

The only serious Candidates are neither Obama nor McCain, neither of them have a clue in hell what they are talking about.
 
#12. We will actually have a Marxist in the White House to set the example for exactly what we've been warning about all these years.
 
both candidates suck...
but brutal truth.... please dont say Palin would b a better president than obama
i always respected ur views til then
that is all

RON PAUL
 
Well, if our choice is YOU or Andrew Sullivan, I'll listen to Mr. Sullivan, thank you.


:mrgreen:

Good for you, now why don't you stop acting like a hypocrite and stop engaging in personal attacks?

About the only thing Andrew Sullivan is a set of papers. Like Nazi Germany, "Let's see your papers. Yes, those papers, the one's that credential you as a journalist. Yes, let's see those papers? What, no papers, you aren't authorized to speak,"

Actually, I should take that back, it's more like, "What, no credentials, well, you need to discuss both sides of the issue, because of the fairness doctrine."
 
worth mentioning some racists (could be more specific but don't want to be politically incorrect)

had a plot to kill 88 black people and an additional 14 by beheading, then go on to try to kill obama

they planned on going to a predominately black high school and killing anyone black in site to get the guns they planned on robbing a gun store (oh the irony, or perhaps a paradox?)

makes you think? nice way for conservatives to win the election (and if u think i am insinuating republicans set this up even though they were probably republican, u may want to reexamine what i wrote

now i realize why i always go for he 9mm when see a confederate flag
 
Wow, another Conservitive coming out against Palin/McCain... It's funny the people that still defend these stances that were wrong 8 years ago, and are still wrong today...
 
both candidates suck...
but brutal truth.... please dont say Palin would b a better president than obama

I didn't know that Palin was competinig with Obama for the position of president. Damn, ya learn something new on this site every day. bongsmilie

Vi
 
Though, I swear the very fact that this mentions our reputation abroad is ludicrous. It doesn't matter what other nations think of us. The only thing that matters is what we think of ourselves.

Which is why Republicans hate Democrats so much. How is it possible for any nation to respect us when there is a group of traitors amongst us that is always seeking to apologize for our actions, and for our very existence?
I disagree with just about everything you wrote, but this in particular. Yes, it matters a lot what other nations think of us. We get 60% of our oil from other nations. We need other nations' cooperation in order to stabilize countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. We export billions of dollars worth of stuff, and import even more. No matter how great we are, the rest of the world combined is much more powerful than us.

Since when did international cooperation become treason? I'm just thankful that even the worst of our leadership hasn't shared this sort of fucked-up ideology.
 
I disagree with just about everything you wrote, but this in particular. Yes, it matters a lot what other nations think of us. We get 60% of our oil from other nations. We need other nations' cooperation in order to stabilize countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. We export billions of dollars worth of stuff, and import even more. No matter how great we are, the rest of the world combined is much more powerful than us.

Since when did international cooperation become treason? I'm just thankful that even the worst of our leadership hasn't shared this sort of fucked-up ideology.

When it goes beyond international cooperation to subjugating the United States to extranational organizations that are ran by Socialists, Dictators, Monarchs, and Fools.

We don't need other nation's cooperation to stabilize Iraq, or Afghanistan. The only people we need cooperation from in order to stabilize those countries is the citizens and residents of those countries.

I don't know why I even bother responding to your inane, insipid comments.
 
Every man, woman, and child in the state of Alaska get their own private kickback check every year, how is that not socialist?

People don't want to live in alaska, it is a way of getting people to stay or come. it is from the oil they have, but do you want to live in alaska? 24 hour dark periods, cut off from the world(literaly), freezing ass cold! no way, not me. and it is less than 2K. I wish my state gave me 2k.
 
When it goes beyond international cooperation to subjugating the United States to extranational organizations that are ran by Socialists, Dictators, Monarchs, and Fools.

We don't need other nation's cooperation to stabilize Iraq, or Afghanistan. The only people we need cooperation from in order to stabilize those countries is the citizens and residents of those countries.

I don't know why I even bother responding to your inane, insipid comments.
Since when has the US subjected itself to anything the UN said? If the UN makes resolutions we agree with, we go along, otherwise we don't.

It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper and easier and it'd result in a lot less loss of life on both sides if we could get other nations to help us in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plus, if all those other countries hate us, you can bet they'll give us the shaft on oil prices.

I don't know why I bother responding to your bellicose jingoism, but I guess I hold out hope that you're not a complete idiot. ;)
 
I disagree with just about everything you wrote, but this in particular. Yes, it matters a lot what other nations think of us. We get 60% of our oil from other nations. We need other nations' cooperation in order to stabilize countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. We export billions of dollars worth of stuff, and import even more. No matter how great we are, the rest of the world combined is much more powerful than us.

Since when did international cooperation become treason? I'm just thankful that even the worst of our leadership hasn't shared this sort of fucked-up ideology.

why does it matter what other nations think of us? are you that insecure with yourself? in the real world, capitilism rules the land and if we can buy/sell cheaper, better, faster, then we do business. we carry a huge trade deficit and you along with others don't realize that it is OUR money that they want. over a third of our hard us currency is overseas. did you know that? you think this world is ruled by warmth and fuzziness, but let me tell you it is not. EVERYONE cares about me and my own, and that is the way it should be. you think it was a coincidence that Europe just banded together less than a decade ago to make one currency? it is because they all hated each other for 500 years, but you know what, they still bought and sold goods from each other before that.

A little history lesson for the uninformed, but when the nazi's crossed the seine river to start world war II, the french opened their doors and let them come right in. Yes sir commandant, i will sell you goods! the nazi's bought the french wine and cheese, they did not steal it. Hell, half of france was nazi's. Vichey France was left alone because they just gave up what the nazi's wanted, the jews.

so don't think that like has anything to do with business. money talks and bullshit walks.

so we are looked at worse than Adolf Hitler? are you crazy?

The internet is full of know-it-alls that really don't know anything. and i certainly do not know everything, but knowing I don't know everything makes me smarter than someone who thinks they know everything.
 
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