The Symbiotic Rhizome Zone; Developing and sustaining active cultures.

I originally initiated a thread relating to the practice of carbohydrate loading and brix levels in a flowering plant. This topic engaged a few very knowledgeable contributers who touched on different complex tangents in the process of posting their relevant information. I became inspired to establish a few different threads relative to the different kernels. I hope to establish a few threads having these same contributers further discuss these tangents in greater detail.


Really my intention is to engage anyone who envoy delving into the more esoteric knowledge sounding plant cultivation....


On the topic of beneficial microorganisms and their symbiotic relationship with plants:
I am now beginning to understanding that the process of 'carb-loading' primarily benefits microorganisms in the Rhizome layer adjacent to the root. Artificially providing some form of carbohydrates (Molasses, Sucrose based booster, etc.)for the microbes to convert into energy can provide significant benefit the plant. I see a lot of emphasis towards implementing this practice in the very late weeks of flowering. With my limited understanding of the two main phases of the life cycle of a plant wouldn't it be beneficial to engage these organisms earlier? (i.e pre-cutting mothers to promote rapid root development. pre-flowering, early vegetative, etc.) In my previous thread a user discussed interjecting alternate reservoirs laced with fish to assist microbe production. There was also an individual disusing brewing/fermentation processes that could support rapid production of beneficial bacteria. How beneficial can these alternative processes become? How feasible to implement?
Best!
-LP

There are many products now on the market that have specific numbers (propagules) of specific microbes. Their utility is well-researched in horticultural and agricultural fields (ha! didn't mean to make that pun). I've seen some surprising documentation for their use (specifically the use of mycorrhizae) and the most notable results shown were pines grown with and without (a doubling in size in 1 year) and a mature madrone (native in my area) that was doing poorly, brought back to gorgeousness, lushness and health in about a year with regular applications.

In any event, I've just started learning to take cuttings of our Mary Jane, and have used a product that has mycorrhizae in it, and the damned things have taken (despite my best efforts to kill them). Once I learned about the stuff I started using it with my full-on organic grow, and the results were, for this new grower, amazing. I started them while still seedlings, specifically on the Hippie Juice I have that has the mycorrhizae, and then I started finding other products with those and more. I'm trying to say that the answer, should it be used earlier in vegetative state, is, in my opinion at least, a resounding YES.

Just curious, how far have you delved into mycorrhizae? I didn't keep my links that I'd found, but should be able to find plenty more.

I have not tried experimenting with mycorrhizae. I recently had a very long discussion regarding a special strain that is to impossible to cloan. It was sugessted that I try experimenting with mycorrhizae. Exactly how does this assist the process of rooting?

I have not tried mycco for rooting clones, although I have considered it, I would imagine it would help the plant to establish roots faster as well as improve overall vigor. I for one can attest to the effectiveness of mycorrhizae. It is the only product that I use more than the rec amount for my plants. I use it in dry form, the hydro organic brand, and add 1 tablespoon per gallon instead of 1 teaspoon.
Seamaiden when you take cuttings you also use rooting hormone as well, right?

So far I'm throwin' everything I have at 'em. Rooting hormone, mycorrhizae, and seaweed extract! The rooting hormone and extract are to give 'em a kick in the stem, the mycorrhizae help with making nutrients more "bio-available". Also, since they promote the growth of the fine hairlike roots which are the real place where nutrients are taken up, I figure they help the clones get that much better of a head start. Of course, all the more reason to be careful I'm thinking. But, like I said in my other thread what I did was embarrassing, but it fucking worked.

nice, I just got some liquid karma and am excited to see what that stuff can do.

very nice thread

Mycorhizae only makes sense for clones considering the symbiosis that occurs with the roots. Early and often as is healthy seems a good rule of thumb to me. At cloning is about as early as it comes

On that strain that won't take, lolapug..... have you tried air layering? never had a strain (seen quite a few that hate to root) that wouldn't air layer. maybe try soaking a cube in a mixture of hormex(or other b1) and mycorhizal innoculant, with rooting hormone on the stem of course.....

Has anybody ever tried, or had any success propagating mycorhizae?

I believe it's perfectly possible by just starting with an inoculant culture and feeding it. They require NPK, right? And an aerobic environment.

the new soil secrets flash website actually has footage of how they propagate mycorhizae... pretty cool how they do it.

Got a link?

Neat! How'd you find this outfit?

Ok, just the concept of Earth Nectar (it's like chicken soup for the soil) feels groovy. In an earthy kinda way.

Was looking through htg for a good mycorhizal innoculant.
Scanned on down to soil secrets.... Can't really beat a 12 dollar package containing two liters of bene bacteria, humic acid, and fungi innoculant. Had to give it a try.... Plus they seem like good people judging from their website

Seamaiden said:

I believe it's perfectly possible by just starting with an inoculant culture and feeding it. They require NPK, right? And an aerobic environment.

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Yep, I buy pirahna and tarantula, and have a brute garbage can with a lid that I use to propagate... I just have a air loop on the bottom, I add little iguana (npk) and add carbo load to replace water I take out for feeding.

It grows in there...

Bump! More discussion! I have found Myco Madness to be a great source or mycos. I am looking for a super rich tea filled with bennies and carbs all in one bottle. Any ideas?