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Taxpayers May Face Hurricane Tab

By ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON

May 31, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- As hurricane season begins, Democrats in Congress want to nationalize a chunk of the insurance business that covers major storm-damage claims.

The proposal -- backed by giant insurers Allstate Corp. and State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., as well as Florida lawmakers -- focuses on "reinsurance," the policies bought by insurers themselves to protect against catastrophic losses. The proposal envisions a taxpayer-financed reinsurance program covering all 50 states, which would essentially backstop the giant insurers in case of disaster.

The program could save homeowners roughly $500 apiece in annual premiums in Florida, according to an advocacy group backed by Allstate and State Farm, the largest writers of property insurance in the U.S.

But environmentalists and other critics -- including the American Insurance Association, a major trade group -- say lower premiums would more likely spur irresponsible coastal development, already a big factor in insurance costs. The program could also shift costs to taxpayers in states with fewer natural-disaster risks.

"This bill makes it a little bit too easy for the state to go to the federal government for a bailout," said Eric Goldberg, associate general counsel at the American Insurance Association, an insurers' trade group.

The legislation passed the House with bipartisan support, 258-155, late last year, despite a presidential veto threat. Although a Senate vote is unlikely this year, proponents are trying to make it a litmus-test issue in the presidential race. The two Democratic contenders, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, in their recent visits to Florida -- a key swing state -- have both voiced support for the plan.

Big winners would be coastal states, particularly Florida, where more than half of the nation's hurricane risk is centered. Currently, property-insurance rates in Florida are among the highest in the nation. Florida also has a struggling state reinsurance fund that would be helped by a federal program.

To gin up national attention for the program, Allstate and State Farm have teamed up with the American Red Cross in an advocacy group, ProtectingAmerica.org, pushing for better emergency preparedness, providing disaster news and education to prevent lawsuits. The group also pushes for the federal program.

Red Cross says it didn't lobby for the federal bill, and doesn't take a position on it. Its interest in ProtectingAmerica is solely to encourage preparedness, it says.

The proposed plan is roughly analogous to the National Flood Insurance Program, which has been criticized for encouraging construction in risky floodplains. Nevertheless, in recent weeks the Senate voted to renew the flood-insurance program, and also to forgive $17 billion in debt incurred after Hurricane Katrina.

Critics cite that debt forgiveness as an example of how states with little or no hurricane risk can end up footing the bill for damage in flood-prone areas. "For years, federal flood-insurance backers told us the program was financially sound, but the storms of 2005 left it $17 billion in the hole," said Steve Ellis of nonpartisan budget watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Even some analysts hired by lobbyists for the federal program acknowledge it has its risks. "If you charge something less than the private-market cost for homeowners' insurance, that creates a potential incentive to increase exposure on the coast" -- in other words, to build in risky or flood-prone areas -- said David Chernick of Milliman Inc., an actuarial firm hired by ProtectingAmerica.

ProtectingAmerica spokesman Pete McDonough disputed that the program encourages developing in risky areas. "To think that $50 a month [in insurance savings] would be an economic incentive to live in an otherwise risky area seems foolish to me."

Florida's status as a presidential swing state has helped the plan win support from Sens. Clinton and Obama. Sen, Clinton is one of the bill's co-authors, along with Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida.

Florida Democrats' effort to make a federal disaster fund a big issue in this year's presidential race was one reason the state moved up its primary election to January from March, defying party rules. (That move is partly what's behind the current, heated battle between the Democratic candidates over how to count Florida's delegates in the nominating race.)

Florida lawmakers and Republican Gov. Charlie Crist are pushing hard for the federal program. Florida is currently the only state with its own reinsurance fund. That fund, created in 1992 after Hurricane Andrew, has lowered insurance costs for state residents, but would be stretched by a big hurricane this year. The federal program would assist the state's fund while also providing political cover for state politicians, some of whom say claims from a major storm this year could trigger the largest tax increase in state history.

"I'm calling on the voters in both parties to demand that the nominee of their party publicly support a national disaster fund," said Florida state Sen. Steven Geller, an uncommitted Democratic superdelegate. "If they won't, vote for the other party."

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, who badly wants to win Florida, is resisting calls to back the program. "This is a very large federal program," and the only state currently in a position to benefit is Florida, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Mr. McCain's policy director.

Sen. Clinton received $1.5 million from individuals in the insurance industry during the 2008 campaign cycle. She received $10,000 from Allstate employees, and $12,550 from State Farm, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Mr. Obama received $960,000 from individuals in the industry. Employees from Allstate and State Farm, both based in Mr. Obama's home state, gave him $25,000 and $35,600, respectively.

Mr. McCain, who opposed the federal catastrophe plan, received $690,000 from individuals in the insurance industry, $9,000 from Allstate employees and $21,000 from employees of State Farm.

The proposal envisions the creation of funds like Florida's in all 50 states. These reinsurance funds would collect premiums from companies like Allstate, who would benefit because they would be paying less than in the private reinsurance market. That savings would get passed on to homeowners. Then, if a state got hit with a particularly severe disaster, whether hurricane, earthquake, tornadoes or other crisis, federal loans and state-backed reinsurance could step in to cover big losses.

In order to draw congressional support from states with somewhat less disaster risk, the federal program is designed to kick in for events that don't necessarily approach the catastrophic level of, say, a Hurricane Katrina. In tiny Delaware, for example, federal payouts could begin after yearly losses of less than $300 million. Katrina-related losses in Louisiana, by comparison, topped $20 billion.

It has the potential to "squeeze out" a big chunk of the private reinsurance market, said Brad Kading, president of the Association of Bermuda Insurers and Reinsurers, which opposes the legislation.

Congressional backers cite support from ProtectingAmerica.org, the group created by Allstate. State Farm and Allstate provide the bulk of its funding.

The group's co-chairs are Adm. James Loy, former deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and retired commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard, and James Lee Witt, a former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Messrs. Witt and Loy are both paid lobbyists for ProtectingAmerica. That information doesn't appear on the group's Web site. Allstate managing counsel Edward Collins is ProtectingAmerica's national director.

"We don't list any lobbyists that work for ProtectingAmerica," said Mr. McDonough. "I don't see any need to even disclose that beyond what the law requires."

The group touts a partnership with the American Red Cross. In the two years before the Red Cross signed on as a coalition member in 2007, the Allstate Foundation gave more than $160,000 to the Red Cross and its chapters, according to tax records.

Marc DeCourcey, Red Cross senior director of federal relations and partnerships, said the organization signed on because ProtectingAmerica has run extensive national advertising campaigns stressing emergency preparedness. Ads direct readers to the Red Cross Web site, which offers survival tips, solicits donations and sells disaster kits.

"We have not advocated or lobbied on behalf of the federal bill at all," he said.
 

medicineman

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I can't agree with leaving the insurance companies to collect premiums while we the taxpayers cover the bailouts. I would favor a national insurance that would eliminate once and for all the conniving insurance companies that only want to insure low risk properties and charge high rates to compensate for the high risk properties. I also would favor a national Auto insurance like Australias, where you pay a nominal (Small in comparison to our insurance rates) fee upon registration of your vehicle. It's a no fault insurance with caps on settlements, and care for life for catastrophic injuries. It's time to send these insurance monsters Bye-bye.
 

ViRedd

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Med ...

Is there anything you would leave in the private sector?

How do you justify, from a moral standpoint, someone in California being forced to pay for the insurance of someone in Florida?

Vi
 

medicineman

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Med ...

Is there anything you would leave in the private sector?

How do you justify, from a moral standpoint, someone in California being forced to pay for the insurance of someone in Florida?

Vi
I don't. But that is what the insurance companies do. I'm pretty sure if you eliminate the profit mongering insurance companies, you could establish a national insurance institute that would asses rates based on probability and those along the hurricane coast and those in earthquake zones and those in tornado alley would pay more per dollar insured. The beauty of this would be, the cost would be lowered for everyone,(No Profit) and the cheating conniving, trying to get out of paying insurance companies, would be a thing of the past. The federal system would pay what they said they'd pay. end of story.
 

ViRedd

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Ahhh, yes ... government bureaucrats, who are not motivated by excellence or making a profit, can always do a much better job than those in the private sector. We have so many fine examples of this. Our 58 TRILLION national debt is a prime example.

Vi
 

medicineman

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Ahhh, yes ... government bureaucrats, who are not motivated by excellence or making a profit, can always do a much better job than those in the private sector. We have so many fine examples of this. Our 58 TRILLION national debt is a prime example.

Vi
You wouldn't like to exagerate now would you? I believe it is 8-9 trillion. First, we the people need to take our government back from the lobbiests. Get the elites out of the government, Remove corporate control and bring back sanity. I believe this is nigh on to impossible with the depth of entrenchment on all levels of government. But with a properely operating government, a lot of national plans would be great for the people, not so great for he rich and the elites.
 

bongspit

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Med ...

Is there anything you would leave in the private sector?

How do you justify, from a moral standpoint, someone in California being forced to pay for the insurance of someone in Florida?

Vi
so...your saying that if Travelers Ins. Co.(for example) pays out big losses in Florida your rates in California will not go up?
 

Seamaiden

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Mine didn't. How about having Floridians pay for my earthquake insurance? How about I, living on top of a hill in the mountains, pay for those who were fucking STUPID enough to buy a home UNDER the top of the levee and then they get flooded? Tell me why I should do that.
 

bongspit

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Mine didn't. How about having Floridians pay for my earthquake insurance? How about I, living on top of a hill in the mountains, pay for those who were fucking STUPID enough to buy a home UNDER the top of the levee and then they get flooded? Tell me why I should do that.
well...because if you are on top of your mountain and you get blown away and it is a total loss...do you think you have paid enough in premiums to cover your loss? That's how insurance works...everybody puts their money in a big pot and the ins. co. pays out on claims and what's left over the CEO buys a big yacht...
 

Seamaiden

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well...because if you are on top of your mountain and you get blown away and it is a total loss...do you think you have paid enough in premiums to cover your loss? That's how insurance works...everybody puts their money in a big pot and the ins. co. pays out on claims and what's left over the CEO buys a big yacht...
Oh yes, I am positive I have paid enough to cover my losses. I understand well how insuring and underwriting work. This is why I disagree with what appears to essentially be another bail-out for an industry that, frankly, actually requires far more oversight than it currently experiences.
 

joepro

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Governement control of anything has been a joke. the joke gets only better when speaking about the private sector.
We could have a so called middle- more government guidelines based on the fairness of the people when dealing with insurance cos.(sentors are more likly to deal with baseball/football instead of a real issue, this is where the problem is)
Like everything eles in america, it's messy and all fucked up at the cost of the people.
 

pandabear

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Governement control of anything has been a joke. the joke gets only better when speaking about the private sector.
We could have a so called middle- more government guidelines based on the fairness of the people when dealing with insurance cos.(sentors are more likly to deal with baseball/football instead of a real issue, this is where the problem is)
Like everything eles in america, it's messy and all fucked up at the cost of the people.
Mcain is the one who will fix, the man he himself with the dirty hands shall begin the cleansing before his death

- Prophecy PandaBear 2008
 

medicineman

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SUMMARY PAGE
America's Total Debt Report

$ 53 Trillion - - and soaring
- household, business, financial and government sectors -
by Michael Hodges - email
updated March 2008
- a chapter of the Grandfather Economic Reports -

I believe we were talking about government debt, like the national debt, 7-9 trillion
I didn't expect you to throw in the kitchen sink. Anything to win an arguement.
 
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