The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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NP. If you can't use "MJ nutes" on an orchid, tomato or pepper plant, potato, or oak tree, peach tree..... then that should tell you something about the stuff you're buying. You've locked out the N by falling for the "line".

UB
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Uncle Ben said:
Stop using what you're using and switch to an indoors type "camelia/azalea" food. IOW a water soluble acidifying food, a 30-10-10 or 21-7-7 with chelated micros. No more than 1 tsp/gallon dissolved in rainwater if you got it. Walmart has it under their own brand. Don't expect immediate results, give it at least 3 days for the color on the newer leaves to turn back to a normal green. Older leaves are probably toast and may not recover. If they still have some chlorophyll left, they're probably still useful to the plant regarding photosynthesis.

And FWIW, "organics" are composed of inorganic minerals. A salt is a salt no matter how its used or derived.

Good luck,
UB
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UB your threads are amazing and ive learnt a lot but i am still lost in a lot of info as to organic ferts vs inorganic or chemical ferts. You say a salt is a salt reguardless but dose that mean organic is no better for salt build up than chemical nutes?

I do understand that inorganic nutes that are not man made might seem comparable to organic except they are not all carbon based.

I use the Biobizz grow/bloom/fishmix and maxicrop seaweed, would consider inorganic but stay away from man made chem ferts like the plague. Peace
 
Budroller

Budroller

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I gave a foliar feed from some good ole' high N compost tea I had bubblin' this morning, as well as a nice drink for the soil. Girls perked up and are reachin' for the sun. The nutes I had been using are from my veggie /flower production- not MJ specific. I believe? that I have been underfeeding?

Now, when the Jacks arrives, any suggestions as to a feeding schedule to get my girls back on track? Also, should I just give 'em water and tea until the new ferts arrive.

UB, I wish I could invite you over for some nice organic homebrew and a trip to the top of the Volcano!! I'd be sittin' there takin' notes...

Thank you!
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Kingrow1 said:
UB your threads are amazing and ive learnt a lot but i am still lost in a lot of info as to organic ferts vs inorganic or chemical ferts. You say a salt is a salt reguardless but dose that mean organic is no better for salt build up than chemical nutes?

I do understand that inorganic nutes that are not man made might seem comparable to organic except they are not all carbon based.

I use the Biobizz grow/bloom/fishmix and maxicrop seaweed, would consider inorganic but stay away from man made chem ferts like the plague. Peace
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Only you can make the call as to what's more important to you - idealogy or fact.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Budroller said:
I gave a foliar feed from some good ole' high N compost tea I had bubblin' this morning, as well as a nice drink for the soil. Girls perked up and are reachin' for the sun. The nutes I had been using are from my veggie /flower production- not MJ specific. I believe? that I have been underfeeding?

Now, when the Jacks arrives, any suggestions as to a feeding schedule to get my girls back on track? Also, should I just give 'em water and tea until the new ferts arrive.

UB, I wish I could invite you over for some nice organic homebrew and a trip to the top of the Volcano!! I'd be sittin' there takin' notes...

Thank you!
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Just keep them green and healthy. There's no such thing as "cannabis specific" nutes. You're a bullseye for vendors who want to sell you something "special".
 
Windsblow

Windsblow

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HEy UB I just started my plants 0n Jacks classic 20-20-20. I fed them for the first time 1/4 tsp per gallon and all but 1 (which is probably 3 month in veg) now have thin and underdeveloped new growth. The plants seem to be slowing down on there growth. I have them in FFOF under 400 watt HPS.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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Windsblow said:
HEy UB I just started my plants 0n Jacks classic 20-20-20. I fed them for the first time 1/4 tsp per gallon and all but 1 (which is probably 3 month in veg) now have thin and underdeveloped new growth. The plants seem to be slowing down on there growth. I have them in FFOF under 400 watt HPS.
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If they have never been fed before i would lean towards root rot. as you probably already know the bottom of the pots will not dry as quick and you might be watering when the top 3/4 of the pot is bone dry but the bottom still has sitting moisture from last time ?

im sure UB can help more with a bit more info.




soil :joint:
 
Windsblow

Windsblow

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wyteboi said:
If they have never been fed before i would lean towards root rot. as you probably already know the bottom of the pots will not dry as quick and you might be watering when the top 3/4 of the pot is bone dry but the bottom still has sitting moisture from last time ?

im sure UB can help more with a bit more info.




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I have been feeding them but with a 30-15-30 standard pert. All my pots have fresh roots and have good soil and white pretty roots. I just don't know if the switch in nute brands have stressed them a bit. It's hard to believe it would. I feed them very lightly and don't push the nutes because of the fresh soil they get every two weeks. I haven't had this problem before so I just thought I would ask. Could be nothing though. Looks a lot like heat stress but I know that not the case 400 watt HPS make little heat and I have plenty of air flow.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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Windsblow said:
I have been feeding them but with a 30-15-30 standard pert. All my pots have fresh roots and have good soil and white pretty roots. I just don't know if the switch in nute brands have stressed them a bit. It's hard to believe it would. I feed them very lightly and don't push the nutes because of the fresh soil they get every two weeks. I haven't had this problem before so I just thought I would ask. Could be nothing though. Looks a lot like heat stress but I know that not the case 400 watt HPS make little heat and I have plenty of air flow.
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maybe try to back off the food completely for a week or so. i dont see the "switch" hurting anything either unless you have a buildup of your other food still. ?




soil
 
Windsblow

Windsblow

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TheLastWood said:
Sounds like a N toxicity.
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I think you are right and I think I figured it out. I had to buy some MG perlite because the grow shop was out not realizing that MG perlite has MG nutes i it. So..... I have FFOF+JAcks CLassic+MG nutes. Hence the N toxicity. I haven't got any burn yet but the leave are the darkest prettiest green I have seen.
 
psyte

psyte

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Wow. I just got through reading this thread and all I can say is that any beginner who does not read this entire thread is doing themselves a huge disservice. There are so many valuable resources in here. I can't understand how this isn't stickied. I would have saved myself a lot of trouble on my first grow if I had come across this first.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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psyte said:
Wow. I just got through reading this thread and all I can say is that any beginner who does not read this entire thread is doing themselves a huge disservice. There are so many valuable resources in here. I can't understand how this isn't stickied. I would have saved myself a lot of trouble on my first grow if I had come across this first.
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Welcome to the party. Better late, than never.

Grow hard,
Uncle Ben
 
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boneheadbob

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Just finishing my second grow and my methods have been all over the place.
Should have read the collected works of Uncle Ben before I ordered my first beans.

I noticed my SSH sucked all the life out of almost all leaves by 82 days. First they changed yellow, then they turned damp and shrank, last stage was drying up into the bud. I was stingy with nutes all the way through and only gave them a little bloom but I thought the leave yellowing was normal.

Next time I will follow UB and keep my leaves green.
At least I was smart enough to not spend money on fancy bottles and spent all my money on beans instead.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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boneheadbob said:
I noticed my SSH sucked all the life out of almost all leaves by 82 days. First they changed yellow, then they turned damp and shrank, last stage was drying up into the bud. I was stingy with nutes all the way through and only gave them a little bloom but I thought the leave yellowing was normal.

Next time I will follow UB and keep my leaves green.
At least I was smart enough to not spend money on fancy bottles and spent all my money on beans instead.
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yes he has always been right on that one ...... it is just plain stupid to let your plant starve just so the leaves are yellow. its a dumb myth that does not even make sense....... the bigger , the healthier the leaves the bigger the fruit will be .... ALWAYS. (taste , yield , potency , all of it !)







soil
 
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