The Martyring of Che Guevara

Dankdude

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By Robert Scheer, Truthdig. Posted October 10, 2007.

Let's dispel some common myths and misconceptions about Che.

The 40th anniversary of the death of Che Guevara elicited considerable media attention, mostly about his iconic image captured on T-shirts throughout the world. There were the standard snarky asides that many young people wearing those T-shirts have scant notion of who Che was, but the journalists reporting the story seemed equally ignorant. Little was reported about Che's life and what led him to shun the comforts of a physician's lifestyle in Argentina to fight as a revolutionary in the rugged terrains of Cuba, the Congo and, finally, Bolivia -- or why someone who claimed to be obsessed with helping the world's poor was executed, gangland style, on the order of a CIA agent.

One exception was the BBC, which bothered to send a reporter to Florida to interview Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-born CIA agent who was part of a team of CIA operatives and Bolivian soldiers who captured Che. "Mr. Rodriguez ordered the soldier who pulled the trigger to aim carefully, to remain consistent with the Bolivian government's story that Che had been killed in action in a clash with the Bolivian army," said the BBC report. Che's hands were then cut off and put in formaldehyde to preserve his fingerprints.

In his interview with the BBC, Rodriguez claimed that the order to kill Che came from the Bolivian government, and that he went along: "I could have tried to falsify the command to the troops, and got Che to Panama as the U.S. government said they wanted," he recalled, but he didn't. Clearly, the U.S. government was not unhappy with Rodriguez's role in the bloody affair, for he went on, as he boasts, to train the Nicaraguan Contras and advise the repressive Argentine military government in the 1980s. He showed the BBC reporter his CIA medal for exceptional service along with a picture of him with the first President Bush in the White House. George H.W. Bush, it should be remembered, had been the head of the CIA during some of the years that Rodriguez worked there and was not put off by the man's past deeds, including his part in Che's assassination.

So, what's the big deal? Che was a Cuban Communist, and it's a good thing that folks like Bush and Rodriguez were able to defeat him before he spread his evil message further -- right? False, on every count.

First off, he was either an Argentine Trotskyite or an anarchist, but Che was not a Communist in what we think of as the heavily entrenched, bureaucratized Cuban mold. Che was restless in post-revolutionary Cuba because his anarchist temperament caused him to bristle at the emerging bureaucracy. He was, like Trotsky in his dispute with Stalin, skeptical that the kind of socialism that truly served the poor could survive in just one country; hence, he died attempting to internationalize the struggle.

It also turned out that killing Che was a big mistake, as his message was spread more effectively by his execution than by his guerrilla activities, which were, after he left Cuba, quite pathetic. This is the case in Latin America, where political leaders he helped inspire are faring better than those coddled by the CIA. Daniel Ortega, whom the CIA worked so doggedly to overthrow, is the elected president of Nicaragua.

Almost all of Latin America's leaders are leftists, some more moderate than Che (as in Brazil), and others as fiery as the guerrilla (in Venezuela), but all determinedly independent of yanqui control. Fortunately, they differ from Che in preferring the ballot to the gun. But all recognize that poverty remains the region's No. 1 problem and that the free-market model imposed by the United States hardly contains all the answers. Recall that the U.S. break with the Cuban revolution came before Castro's turn toward the Soviets, and that it was over his nationalization of American-owned business assets in Cuba ranging from Mafia-run casinos to the electric power grid.

These days, few politicians in the United States even seem to care about the subversive Cuban influences in our own backyard that once haunted them. The embargo on Cuba remains to mollify Florida's aging Cuban community, but what's important to Washington today is Mideast oil, not protecting the peasants of Bolivia from the likes of Che Guevara.

On Monday, Che's death was marked, in the Bolivian village where he was killed, by Bolivian President Evo Morales, who proclaimed his movement "100 percent Guevarist and socialist," which hardly registers as a propaganda success story for those favoring CIA assassinations. They turned a failed -- and flawed -- guerrilla fighter into an enduring symbol of resistance to oppression.
 
Yea Che, a true patriot. I watched the 'Motorcycle Diaries' the other day and Che was pretty much a loving caring individual in his early years. It was the right wing dictators and American CIA that drove him into exile and turned him into a guerilla leader. The CIA has done more to fuck over South and central America than all the dictators on the left ever did.
 
Although factual Vi,
the link provided was embellished to promote an agenda.
The author gives Che Guevara too much credit. Guevara was not guilty of all the accusations written in the article.

But I'll let you argue with my daughter's boy friend since he's Argentinian and knows more about the man than you or I do.

Funny what someone will print to sell a book, huh?
 
Well, are you becoming decent to me Dank? Have you taken me off of your ignore list? If so ... then welcome back. You were missed.

If you agree that the article was "factual," then you'll agree that, as the artcle stated, Che' murdered thousands in order to gain power. He was a Communist thug to the Nth degree. I have to say, it really frosts me when uninformed people try to stuff their misinformation down my, and the throats of others, as if their misinformation is fact. Not dissing you at all here, Dank ... just making a general statement.

Vi
 
I'm saying that the numbers for which he was personally responsible are skewed.
As med says it was war, people die in wars. Wars are fought by who can commit the biggest atrocity. It's how monstrous you get that scares the enemy into submission. I get that.
But what you don't understand about Che is that he really believed in what he was doing, where as Castro just wanted to seize power.

Now you have to admit that there are people in this this world who honestly believe in the IDEAL of Communism, which is supposed to be share in the work, share in the gains.
Man always fucks it up.
Democracy every time tried has failed. (refer to the Greek and Roman Empires)

Now I will admit that yes Che ordered torture and interrogation, but let's face it, so has our own government.

Che's worse atrocities happened over in Cuba, but the author in the article has skewed the numbers when it comes to other countries he participated in. He was a normal foot soldier. No one special.
 
I'm saying that the numbers for which he was personally responsible are skewed.
As med says it was war, people die in wars. Wars are fought by who can commit the biggest atrocity. It's how monstrous you get that scares the enemy into submission. I get that.
But what you don't understand about Che is that he really believed in what he was doing, where as Castro just wanted to seize power.

Now you have to admit that there are people in this this world who honestly believe in the IDEAL of Communism, which is supposed to be share in the work, share in the gains.
Man always fucks it up.
Democracy every time tried has failed. (refer to the Greek and Roman Empires)

Now I will admit that yes Che ordered torture and interrogation, but let's face it, so has our own government.

Che's worse atrocities happened over in Cuba, but the author in the article has skewed the numbers when it comes to other countries he participated in. He was a normal foot soldier. No one special.

Ok, Dankster ... I'll give you all of that, but what doesn't fly with me is how the Left revers Che' as some kind of revolutionary hero. Most of the young people with the Che' posters on their walls and Che' tshirts on their backs have no idea of the man's legacy.

Vi


 
Ok, Dankster ... I'll give you all of that, but what doesn't fly with me is how the Left revers Che' as some kind of revolutionary hero. Most of the young people with the Che' posters on their walls and Che' tshirts on their backs have no idea of the man's legacy.

Vi


Agree most of the kids wearing the t-shirts think its cool becuase they saw someone at a Rage Against the Machine concert sporting one and not because they have an understanding who he really was.
 
Beleive it or not Vi, communism isn't the biggest threat in today's society. As always, your stuck in the past.
 
Umm, hmmm ...

Call it what you want, Dank. Here's what I see: There is a definate move in this country to the left of center. Taking all the welfare into account like corporate welfare programs, socialized medicine, hate speech laws, dumbing down our education, hordes of uneducated folks flooding across our borders illegally, the continued pressure to disarm the citizenry, the closing off of federal lands, environmental extremism, printing press money ... and on, and on, and on ...

I see it leaning way more toward Marxism than anything else. Once you've talked to folks who lived under communism in the Soviet Union, Poland and other Eastern European countries, it gives you some insight. Its pretty scary to listen to my clients from the old country saying things like: "You Americans had better wake up ... we had the same controls in our country and before long, you Americans won't be able to move sideways without some "official" telling you how far to move.

Honestly Dank, these folks are opening my eyes.

Vi
 
Hmmm ... so Marxism is better than Fascism?

No thanks, I'll take freedom and liberty.

Vi

There is no such thing in the United States anymore Vi, it's a power struggle between two extremes, if you think otherwise your fooling yourself.
 
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