The flush "myth"

TopShelf85

TopShelf85

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Cure doesn't change the color of the bud! I've been growing for 10 years witch is minimal to most, but I've observed plants and it's life cycle without reading. Flush, don't flush. Flush let the others go and see if you can tell a difference. I'm an exclusive GH user and it made a difference in taste and smell for me.
 
TopShelf85

TopShelf85

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But I could be wrong, controversial subject I see. Just like defoliation, I'm an avid defoliater and always get 4 to 8 ounces per plants. Knocked it till I tried it.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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TopShelf85 said:
Dude you really are starting to show your true knowledge. What don't you understand. Flushing is the act of leaching the plant in its final days. Done properly when growth has ceased and harvest window is open, you assisting you plant to do what is already happening. Chlorophyll is what makes plants darker green, and chlorophyll is bitter in taste and makes for bad burn ability. The more you rid/flush the plant the lighter in color the bud will become, and if you don't time the harvest properly your sugar leaves can and will turn yellow and die, at this point you've flushed for to long, only because people don't like yellow buds obviously, but in truth yellow buds would mean less nutrient present in the bud. It takes me back to why people that have grown in pre fertilized miracle grow, when they have to wear goggles to cover their eyes from the snap crackling nutrient filled weed their smoking. All that is is they've chopped their plant be for the plant has realized it's fate and prepared to die and, by waiting it could have all been averted if the person would have waited for the stems to hollow and stop up taking water, the plant will canabilize itself, even with nutrients present in the root ball.
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I don't care if you flush or not. I like to lightly leach if strains are picky or I make a mistake during the cycle and feed only what the plant needs in a tapering down in strength to the finish.

In my tests they are stronger and more complex this way than water only the last 2 weeks. Even 1 week made a difference.

The ec steadily falls in the runoff to negligible by the last feed and the plants are medium green hopefully. Not too dark. Not too light.

But you are saying 2 things above. One is nutrients are built up in the buds and one is chlorophyll is too much.

They are not the same thing. and the crackling in the pipe is from too much nutes or moisture. Or harmful additives.

Bloom boosters used for yield. Quick drying for sale both can do it.

But if it's in there. And it takes a strong effort to overfeed a plant this much. It is in there yellow leaves or not.

The extra chlorophyll will be eliminated naturally by bacteria in the buds during drying and curing.

Used to fade my plants. Now they are yielding twice as much as then in the same pots and lights and are much more potent and complex tasting and the high.
 
TopShelf85

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Witch it correct, when it come to chlorophyll but not nitrogen, if your leaves, sugar leaves are green there's nitrogen in them leaves. Nitrogen and chlorophyll go hand and hand.
 
TopShelf85

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I flush my plants till the point of paling sugar leaves and by that time my plants look dead. Best smoke ever. Wish I'd started several years back.
 
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If you feed the same mixture of chem nutes all the way through flower, you will undoubtedly have salt build up in the plant at the end because the plants nute requirements lessen as they ripen. This is very common for people following a simple nute regimen like Lucas or KISS. This also is why the really dialed chem nute regimens taper off and drop the ppm's the second half of flower and especially the last two weeks. Whether you flush or not depends on how dialed your nute regimen is. You need to read the plant. If you have burnt leaf tips and dark green secondary leaves as the fan leaves are fading, you probably need to flush, or feed 1/4 or 1/2 nute strength. Soil is less likely to need a flush because, if watered with only water, it's nutrient content diminshes relatively in sync with the plants diminshing nute requirements. A soil flush can be 1-2 weeks because the soil itself is continually adding some amount of macro and micro nutrients, but in hydro it should be a matter of hours to a couple days max and you still need to provide all the immobile nutrients in the hydro flush water. This is why it may be better to flush hydro with a 1/4 strengh nute solution, or better yet, once you get to know the particular cut, dial your regimine so you end up feeding ~1/4 strength (it's going to vary depending on nutes and plant genetics) the last one or two weeks by plan.

TL;DR Most ppl will need to flush when starting out and even experienced growers often will when trying new genetics. It's only when you get your nute regimen dialed to your particular genetics that you will eliminate the need to flush, and that is the minority of grows/growers.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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TopShelf85 said:
Witch it correct, when it come to chlorophyll but not nitrogen, if your leaves, sugar leaves are green there's nitrogen in them leaves. Nitrogen and chlorophyll go hand and hand.
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I dry as slow and long as possible on the cut branches still with the bud leaves intact. I shoot for ten days but never make it past 8 in my closet.

Then I trim off the bud leaves for infused coconut oil and tincture so I am not smoking them or any random loose buds that also go in the trim jars.

And I screen the weed during trimming to sift loose trichomes for hash.

We even jar cure the trim before use. You could smoke it and never suspect it is what it is.

I promise you all of this tested higher when medium green and healthy at harvest when I still supplied a dispensary and everyone noticed the better potency, smell and flavor.

I think you are here and know why I don't want to go back to the dispensary. I am sorry I never got to copy my lab results a few years ago. They were confiscated.

The plant is peaking when it is ready. Not dead. I like to see 100% cloudy trichomes. Or colorful on some sativa leaning strains. It uses nutrients til the day I cut. Like I said. I can see the ppm's from the soil runoff go down.

With growing different seeds every week in a staggered perpetual garden I tried many methods of all these arguments and other "advanced" techniques.

With the way I have learned to read plants taking care of them individually in a group for a few more years now every day is any sooner than the last watering or two of withholding nutes will result in pretty immediate deficiency. I have learned I don't want to see that.

A yellow harvest is not better in any way but to make quicker cash.

Our meds are healing my wife's internal cysts now. That did not happen back when I grew on schedules and flushed like a noob. Which I was.
 
CriticalCheeze

CriticalCheeze

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TopShelf85 said:
Cure doesn't change the color of the bud! I've been growing for 10 years witch is minimal to most, but I've observed plants and it's life cycle without reading. Flush, don't flush. Flush let the others go and see if you can tell a difference. I'm an exclusive GH user and it made a difference in taste and smell for me.
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Placebo effect. Flushing is pointless, wrong and a waste of water.
Said this many times. same with others...
 
CriticalCheeze

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TopShelf85 said:
You just keep smokin them Green plants White, that nitrogen is frying you brain. The plants starts to realize it's fate by near harvest and starts to cannibalize it's self and actually stops up taking water, so that cancels out your stupid elements theory, can't eat with out water so, and unless your smoking the roots, your theory is bunk. When a cannabis plant nears death the stems hollow and stop up taking water! Let it rat it's reserved nutrients and bam there goes your earthy, nasty smelling chemical that were present in the buds.
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Because they draw water and nutes from their leaves that late in their life.
Not their buds. Half the elements are IMMOBILE. so they stay where they are.
Plants cant 'stop' taking water completely. otherwise they would die.
see how long you can hold your breathe. Because that is exactly what happens. suffocation.
Stop spreading misinformation to new growers.
 
Budley Doright

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Just a plant reaches the end life and bulking up the buds, so directing most energy to the buds, could you not let it draw the remaining energy from itself? Surely it's not adding more to the bud then if you were still feeding is it? And taking it a bit further would it not stand to reason that it would start to use the energy left in the bud if there is nothing left? So perhaps flushing doesn't do anything but would it not if nothing else, save on nutrients even if a small amount? What would the draw back be, the timing would be huge factor though re loss of yield I guess.
 
Growes73

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So far this is the best time I have had on RIU..... I don't have an educated opinion on the matter when it comes to growing but I have smoked a good amount of herb. Recently a friend and well established grower had this same argument and decided to each grow 2 plants each of the same Strain. One was flushed one was not. Both plants that were not flushed were harshhhhhhhhh as hell. The two that were flushed had great taste and smooth. From a consumer stand point, I'd say flushing is the safe route and you save some $ on nutes. And as far as talking shit about the older generation of growers........ get it together. These guys have the experience and wisdom to know what works. Some are stuck in their ways but that's because their way works for them. No need to bash... just move on and maybe one day if your plant is struggling one of the older "crusty" growers will come through with a tip that saves your plant. :weed::leaf::leaf:
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Growes73 said:
So far this is the best time I have had on RIU..... I don't have an educated opinion on the matter when it comes to growing but I have smoked a good amount of herb. Recently a friend and well established grower had this same argument and decided to each grow 2 plants each of the same Strain. One was flushed one was not. Both plants that were not flushed were harshhhhhhhhh as hell. The two that were flushed had great taste and smooth. From a consumer stand point, I'd say flushing is the safe route and you save some $ on nutes. And as far as talking shit about the older generation of growers........ get it together. These guys have the experience and wisdom to know what works. Some are stuck in their ways but that's because their way works for them. No need to bash... just move on and maybe one day if your plant is struggling one of the older "crusty" growers will come through with a tip that saves your plant. :weed::leaf::leaf:
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How long was it dried and cured and was it overfed is the question left here?

A couple of weeks more in the jars burped properly will likely change the results of that side by side.
 
chemphlegm

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MichiganMedGrower said:
How long was it dried and cured and was it overfed is the question left here?

A couple of weeks more in the jars burped properly will likely change the results of that side by side.
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or alternatively with no overfeeding and it would not even need the extended fermentation just to be smooth.:cool:

If I feed to the end/over feed I have to fuss with jarring/burping/extended curing. but If I feed correctly(follow directions) my smoke is superbly smooth a couple weeks in the drying net. go figure....
 
Kingrow1

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If you overfertilize for six weeks of an eight week flowering period there is no way a two week water flush will make your buds taste any less than crap.

This generally seems to be what a lot of growers struggle with.

If you flush a well grown plant its buds still taste fine to me just as if you hadnt flushed it.

What part dont people get.......?
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Growes73 said:
So far this is the best time I have had on RIU..... I don't have an educated opinion on the matter when it comes to growing but I have smoked a good amount of herb. Recently a friend and well established grower had this same argument and decided to each grow 2 plants each of the same Strain. One was flushed one was not. Both plants that were not flushed were harshhhhhhhhh as hell. The two that were flushed had great taste and smooth. From a consumer stand point, I'd say flushing is the safe route and you save some $ on nutes. And as far as talking shit about the older generation of growers........ get it together. These guys have the experience and wisdom to know what works. Some are stuck in their ways but that's because their way works for them. No need to bash... just move on and maybe one day if your plant is struggling one of the older "crusty" growers will come through with a tip that saves your plant. :weed::leaf::leaf:
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I'm one of those old growers but not nearly as devoted to the craft as a few others lol, still taking it all in though. I just do my thing and typically get a good harvest, not great I guess, but I'm happy and that's what counts, flush or not. The nice thing is, if it don't turn out just grow it again and try something different lol. I was gonna say it's just a plant but I got ran out of the village for that lol. I also in all the years of growing for sale, never had someone ask if it was flushed lol.
 
whitebb2727

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Growes73 said:
So far this is the best time I have had on RIU..... I don't have an educated opinion on the matter when it comes to growing but I have smoked a good amount of herb. Recently a friend and well established grower had this same argument and decided to each grow 2 plants each of the same Strain. One was flushed one was not. Both plants that were not flushed were harshhhhhhhhh as hell. The two that were flushed had great taste and smooth. From a consumer stand point, I'd say flushing is the safe route and you save some $ on nutes. And as far as talking shit about the older generation of growers........ get it together. These guys have the experience and wisdom to know what works. Some are stuck in their ways but that's because their way works for them. No need to bash... just move on and maybe one day if your plant is struggling one of the older "crusty" growers will come through with a tip that saves your plant. :weed::leaf::leaf:
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Did you know which was flushed and which was not?

You should've smoked each others bud and only the grower know which is which.

I went through some threads last night from other sites. Several people have done blind test.

One guy claimed only one person out of 25 could tell.
 
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