THE END OF H.I.Ds?? Sulphur plama technology

Blink said:

I'll agree with you that there's tons, millions of things we still haven't discovered. But these things we do discover, WON'T change the existing laws of nature that have been tried and true for centuries. We aren't still learning about oxygen atoms, it's the 21st century.

The only reason Wikipedia says THEORETICAL, is because it doesn't exist yet. There's still the possibility that they were decimals off.

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At one point the laws we found to be wrong were proven laws that were absolute and they were modern science.We found something that didn't sit right and we found out we were wrong.
Now we have set "modern" laws that we know to be true but who's to say we won't have some genius screwing around in his lab one day and just say ya know something seems off.He tinkers around making calculations and adjustment to a machine and realizes that hey there is another explanation for this!

They are called scientists and they are around to improve life and knowledge of mankind.If we knew for 100% that these theories were law there would be no such thing as a thermodynamics scientist cause we would know everything.But sine they exist that means there is stuff that we don't know and they are on a mission to find it.

Everything ya'll say about thermodynamics i believe,I'm with you...But the beautiful thing about science/math is there is always new stuff to discover that can change everything.



I think these things might be discovered here soon.We are about to unleash the beast....

The countdown to the startup of the world's most powerful particle collider has begun with today's announcement that the first beam of protons will be sent all the way through the 17-mile-round Large Hadron Collider on Sept. 10.

We will soon see what the big bang looked like....thats the plan anyway lol.

No man... no. I can agree with you mostly, but you seem to not understand. The only way our laws of physics can dramatically or substantially change, is if the laws of physics themselves bent (which I'm just guessing... isn't going to happen). No guy tinkering with engines is gonna bend the laws of physics. And sure, while we don't know EVERYTHING, that doesn't invalidate everything we currently know. I guarantee you can't find any proof of anything in the past few hundred years that has actually changed any law of physics.

Took me less than 30 seconds to find articles about scientists worldwide questioning certain laws of nature and physics.

This guy said it best in the article.
"There is absolutely no reason these constants should be constant," says astronomer Michael Murphy of the University of Cambridge. "These are famous numbers in physics, but we have no real reason for why they are what they are."

here's the link to the article.
SPACE.com -- Scientists Question Nature's Fundamental Laws

Again I'm not questioning the laws of physics in anyway I'm just on the same pages as the Cambridge guy.
Just cause we know something right now does not mean something can't happen in the future to totally throw that info off.

And I'm hoping some cool shit is gonna come from them firing up the LHC.I'm just hoping they don't tear a hole in the universe shooting particles at each other tinkering with the thing.

GAMEBRED said:

here's the link to the article.
SPACE.com -- Scientists Question Nature's Fundamental Laws

Again I'm not questioning the laws of physics in anyway I'm just on the same pages as the Cambridge guy.
Just cause we know something right now does not mean something can't happen in the future to totally throw that info off.

And I'm hoping some cool shit is gonna come from them firing up the LHC.I'm just hoping they don't tear a hole in the universe shooting particles at each other tinkering with the thing.

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Nothing new here, people have been conjecturing this since the early 1990's. Notice how they make no mention of thermodynamics? Notice how they mention that the errors are a few parts in a million even if the errors exist. The errors are only in making measurements millions of light years away (you have to consider dark energy which is esitmated to have a energy/mass of about 10^-29 g/cm^3). It certainly isn't going to change the numbers in the plasma light nor has any sting theorist even come close to suggesting that the laws of thermodynamics are flawed.

If you'd stop cherry picking your "evidence", lower in the article it also says:

But theorist Carlos Martins of the University of Cambridge tells LiveScience that this is not entirely correct: "It doesn't make sense to talk about a varying speed of light or electron charge."

and:

"Even if string theory is not correct, the current model of gravity will likely need to be revised to unite it with the other three fundamental forces"

This is why we call gravity a theory, not a law. Relativity has been measured accraute down to about 1 part in a billion (GPS relies on relativity corrections otherwise our measurements would drift by about 20 meters per day). It's gravity over short distances that needs to be understood (an understanding of quantum gravity is needed to unite the fourknown forces) and long distances (they're talking about measurements being off a few parts per million over a distance of a billion light years in the article, at long distances you have to consider the effects of dark energy) that needs to be potentially revised. It's just as likely the case that it's just an understanding of dark energy is needed rather than a revision of relativity.

This is the problem with these sort of short magazine articles geared towards the layman, they don't get into the background science. If they did then it wouldn't be a short magazine article.

So just a question....when that big accelerator starts smashing things, and the particals start flying how do they isolate the "dark matter" and seperate it from junk left over? and I understand that a magnetic feild keeps the "dark matter" from contacting the sides of the storage vessel, but what happens if the storage unit power supplies malfunction I'm sure there are redundant back ups but worse case will the dark matter at such small levels say a few particles after a few years will it blow a big hole in the earth? anyway The whole thing is very cool and look forward to new ideas in science I'm no professor but this stuff is interesting

NotMine said:

So just a question....when that big accelerator starts smashing things, and the particals start flying how do they isolate the "dark matter" and seperate it from junk left over? and I understand that a magnetic feild keeps the "dark matter" from contacting the sides of the storage vessel, but what happens if the storage unit power supplies malfunction I'm sure there are redundant back ups but worse case will the dark matter at such small levels say a few particles after a few years will it blow a big hole in the earth? anyway The whole thing is very cool and look forward to new ideas in science I'm no professor but this stuff is interesting

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I think you might be getting dark matter confused with anti-matter. Dark matter is thought to be normal matter such as neutrinos that do not interact with the magnetic force. There's other particle types of dark matter, see the link below.

Anti-matter is like normal matter but the electrical charge of the particles are reversed. A electron has a negative charge, it's anti-matter counter part is the positron with a positive charge. Anti-matter is only produced in tiny amounts, even in large accelerators, and the amount produced is not dangerous as far as the earth is concerned. Anti-matter is never stored long term and costs about $300,000,000,000 per miligram to produce. For very short term storage a device called a Penning Trap is used.

Certain types of radioactive isotopes, when they decay, release a positron and is used in a imaging technique called a positron emission tomography.

Also, don't get dark matter confused with dark energy.

Dark matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Antimatter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Positron emission tomography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Penning trap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

You know we're getting off topic when we start talking about anti-matter and Penning Traps!

Thanks for the links.. yeah I was confused but you got what I was saying very interesting I'm a space nerd!! but by trade I am a tech for Mercedes benz, but i'd much rather make a living doing something a bit more interesting, with a lot less work.....at least they are comfortable and fast so fast we have laws for that to her in the states...almost anything really really fun is also illegal, yeah I don't like thread jacking either...sorry

NotMine said:

Thanks for the links.. yeah I was confused but you got what I was saying very interesting I'm a space nerd!! but by trade I am a tech for Mercedes benz, but i'd much rather make a living doing something a bit more interesting, with a lot less work.....at least they are comfortable and fast so fast we have laws for that to her in the states...almost anything really really fun is also illegal, yeah I don't like thread jacking either...sorry

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No worries, the thread was jacked a long time ago!

I received this email from the distributers some time ago but missed it in my inbox:

"Dear XXXXX

Thank you for your email and interest in our plasma light.

Unfortunately the lights are only being made available to a handful of research and development projects at the moment. We do not expect to make them commercially available until the third quarter of next year at the earliest, sorry.

Please keep an eye on our site for updates.

Kind regards
Doug"

Watch this space for 2010 then. If this does work as well as some people suggest it might it will be great for threading light pipes through the inside of the undergrowth and spreading the light distribution.

what i want to know is why would we want the full spectrum of light, plants DO not need the full spectrum because they do not see the full range only different parts. Isnt that the reason for led's? so that the plants can get the spectrum that they need and nothing else?

mjgrower said:

I received this email from the distributers some time ago but missed it in my inbox:

"Dear XXXXX

Thank you for your email and interest in our plasma light.

Unfortunately the lights are only being made available to a handful of research and development projects at the moment. We do not expect to make them commercially available until the third quarter of next year at the earliest, sorry.

Please keep an eye on our site for updates.

Kind regards
Doug"

Watch this space for 2010 then. If this does work as well as some people suggest it might it will be great for threading light pipes through the inside of the undergrowth and spreading the light distribution.

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Clicky here ohh yea and here