The Dmt High (what is it really)

Tonight a buddy and I were discussing DMT. The question came up, what is the actual high of DMT?

Is it an actual knowledge based trip. As in are we there to learn something? Or is it just sensory overload and meaningless neuron firing.

If we can actually learn something from the trip, then will we be accepted back into society with the new knowledge. Or after explaining of the new knowledge will society just shun us as "crazy" people.

In preparing myself for my first trip, I find it nessecary to first answer some of these questions.

The example of Jim Morrison was brought up, in his extensive journeys he stated he learned many life changing lessons, only to be shunned by many people and as to make matters worse drowned in his own vomit in a chemically laden trip.

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I think of these notions often, but to paraphrase Shulgin; you can't actually think that the white crystalline powder has any memories of its own.

And the notion of lessons is just as ambiguous. These are just 'random' events that coalesce in ones mind to reveal some-kind of parallel truth.

Since during a 'trip' on classical psychedelics the part of the brain firing(locus coeruleus) is involved in detecting novel events, so most events seem highly 'out-of-place and profound' although this is what also causes the 'bad trip'. Another part of the brain that is generally (in)active, but (in)active during sleep, acts as if one was sleeping; this causes one to, presumably, use the 'waking-dream state' as a kind of catalyst to create indifference in the events that play out, because its all perceived as a dream.

Now there is also another way to look at it, its much more complex to explain and requires many more leap-of-faith statements. This point of view would posit that, in essence, all that exists is a single mind, of fractalized genera, that even dictates the geometry of the ingested substance and in so doing catalyzes the exact response needed or required at that time for that portion of the whole.

The former way to see these things relies on the unknown nature of existence that can only be deduced through experimentation with it, the latter is more idealistic, in that, it relies on a personal belief in 'fate' or an unseen guide. I would suggest in anycase that these substances no doubt will cause radical changes in personality and belief, if thats what the goal is.

plantvision said:

Tonight a buddy and I were discussing DMT. The question came up, what is the actual high of DMT?

Is it an actual knowledge based trip. As in are we there to learn something? Or is it just sensory overload and meaningless neuron firing.

If we can actually learn something from the trip, then will we be accepted back into society with the new knowledge. Or after explaining of the new knowledge will society just shun us as "crazy" people.

In preparing myself for my first trip, I find it nessecary to first answer some of these questions.

The example of Jim Morrison was brought up, in his extensive journeys he stated he learned many life changing lessons, only to be shunned by many people and as to make matters worse drowned in his own vomit in a chemically laden trip.

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Generally in society, anyone with a "different" view on things such as spirituality, drugs (or as I like to call them, substances) is shunned for being different to the mainstream, majority of people. Hope I explained something through my little ramblings .
Peace.

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Nice Ol Bud said:

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Oh right, the shunning.

This is caused by what called the 'normative influence'. Most people have a belief in what normal is, many agree. In order to counter this one has to accept either there is no normal, or to actually become the enemy their ego created so as to defend its own prior structures.

A weird feeling happens when one makes the flip, and it lasts forever. Unfortunately one must live with the fact that many will just need to die with their stupid ideas.

Its a shame most of us won't live to see a change in our world worth noting.

Ellis Dee said:

Now there is also another way to look at it, its much more complex to explain and requires many more leap-of-faith statements. This point of view would posit that, in essence, all that exists is a single mind, of fractalized genera, that even dictates the geometry of the ingested substance and in so doing catalyzes the exact response needed or required at that time for that portion of the whole.

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This statement has got me to remember a study awhile back. A person was set in a dark room with virtual goggles on and shown a set of expierences after a few days they were asked a set of questions. Some of the questions pertained to the dark room. Close to 100 percent were unable to completely distinquish the difference between what had happened in real life and virtual life.

Amazingly we could ourselves just be a "vision" of our minds. A belief "required at that time for the portion of the whole".

Ellis Dee said:

Oh right, the shunning.

This is caused by what called the 'normative influence'. Most people have a belief in what normal is, many agree. In order to counter this one has to accept either there is no normal, or to actually become the enemy their ego created so as to defend its own prior structures.

A weird feeling happens when one makes the flip, and it lasts forever. Unfortunately one must live with the fact that many will just need to die with their stupid ideas.

Its a shame most of us won't live to see a change in our world worth noting.

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We were discussing this also, in my belief there is really no norm. It is great to feel that without the defining factor of the norm, also the "right and wrong" cease to exist to a point.

Exactly!!

The normal is only real in the sense as it pertains to the experience you have had. Perhaps with a drug of such magnitudes a sense of being involved with several dichotomies at once causes one to stop thinking in the 'black-and-white' terms and see things in the realm of grey matter.

At the same time be careful not to fall into a relativism fallacy or ego-centric fallacy. Relativism holds that no set of behaviors can be blatantly right or wrong except within the exact context of those behaviors. Obviously ego-centrism holds that only ones behavior is correct, or the norm. I think most can agree on common-law having it right, 'to cause no harm or loss'.

DMT turns your mind from operating on binary mode where things are either true or false, yes or no etc. into a quantum processor where things can be yes and no and true and false at the same time in equal parts.

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DMT turns your mind from operating on binary mode where things are either true or false, yes or no etc. into a quantum processor where things can be yes and no and true and false at the same time in equal parts.

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So I have heard returning from a trip can be a little unsetteling, because of this idea. How does one overcome the return trip when they have grasped the ability of dual concepts being able exist at the same time?

I don't know, it leaves me with a grin each time.

plantvision said:

Tonight a buddy and I were discussing DMT. The question came up, what is the actual high of DMT?

Is it an actual knowledge based trip. As in are we there to learn something? Or is it just sensory overload and meaningless neuron firing.

If we can actually learn something from the trip, then will we be accepted back into society with the new knowledge. Or after explaining of the new knowledge will society just shun us as "crazy" people.

In preparing myself for my first trip, I find it nessecary to first answer some of these questions.

The example of Jim Morrison was brought up, in his extensive journeys he stated he learned many life changing lessons, only to be shunned by many people and as to make matters worse drowned in his own vomit in a chemically laden trip.

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Plant ... I mailed YOU like 5 feature movies on DMT ...
Have YOU watched any ?
U know that is your homework kinda ... no entertainment for ME in sending.

i cant wait for my first DMT experience. i know its gonna be amazing. until then though, its my obligation to obtain as much information as possible.

hEY bANDIt
Any Mescaline in YOUr nick of the woods ?

Puffer Fish said:

Plant ... I mailed YOU like 5 feature movies on DMT ...
Have YOU watched any ?
U know that is your homework kinda ... no entertainment for ME in sending.

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Sorry Puffer, I kinda feel like I did back in school, did not do my homework then either.

Just came back from camping and had this great discussion and thought it would be a good discussion.

I will go to the board and start writing "I will do my homework from now on" 500 times.

Vision ... we are so much different YOU and I.
But we are also the SAME at this junction in TIME ... and I love YOUr candor.
As you tell me of your life .... it makes prefect sense why YOU DO all that YOU DO.
And I understand why YOU are HERE.

Remember long time ago We spoke of 'questions' .... as people ask them ... ?
In high school ... no question asked is dumb ... that is the whole point of school.
In real life ... every question YOU ask ... shows how little YOU know and how your brain operates and what it is capable OF
Every sentence you make ... every spelling mistake you do not correct. Tells me OF your state of MIND.
With internet ... doing research before a discussion ... is not hard to do

To discuss and contemplate is to talk about things YOU have researched .... as you are exchanging experiences with others alike.
As these individuals report back ... they help YOU in filling the gaps in understanding of what is at hand further.

I can not wait for you to try D
As I know IT TO ROCK the foundation of your REALITY at it's core !
It will be a fantastic read in context if you ever write a report.
Which I will certainly read.

plantvision said:

Tonight a buddy and I were discussing DMT. The question came up, what is the actual high of DMT?

Is it an actual knowledge based trip. As in are we there to learn something? Or is it just sensory overload and meaningless neuron firing.

If we can actually learn something from the trip, then will we be accepted back into society with the new knowledge. Or after explaining of the new knowledge will society just shun us as "crazy" people.

In preparing myself for my first trip, I find it nessecary to first answer some of these questions.

The example of Jim Morrison was brought up, in his extensive journeys he stated he learned many life changing lessons, only to be shunned by many people and as to make matters worse drowned in his own vomit in a chemically laden trip.

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It has to be actual knowledge based, DMT is just a molecule, it can`t "store" the whole trip in it. Experiences make us and I guess its an experience to be lived As for drowning in your vomit you need a sitter!

i wish puffer. thats another thing ive never had the pleasure of graceing me, mescaline. the closest thing ive had was bromo-mescalineand ive heard its nothing compared to the real deal. one day......