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DOJ Insider Explains How Donald Trump’s New AG Could Be Stopped | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC
President Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions and replaced him with Matthew Whitaker as Acting AG. Former Solicitor General Neal Katyal tells Ari Melber that Whitaker, who will now oversee the Mueller probe, is a "constitutional nobody" and breaks down how he could be stopped.
 

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The guy who wrote the DOJ regulations and Kelly Ann Conway's husband, write this compelling expert piece in the NYT. Very interesting and worth a read.
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Trump’s Appointment of the Acting Attorney General Is Unconstitutional
The president is evading the requirement to seek the Senate’s advice and consent for the nation’s chief law enforcement officer and the person who will oversee the Mueller investigation.
By Neal K. Katyal and George T. Conway III
Mr. Katyal and Mr. Conway are lawyers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/opinion/trump-attorney-general-sessions-unconstitutional.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

What now seems an eternity ago, the conservative law professor Steven Calabresi published an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal in May arguing that Robert Mueller’s appointment as special counsel was unconstitutional. His article got a lot of attention, and it wasn’t long before President Trump picked up the argument, tweeting that “the Appointment of the Special Counsel is totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL!”

Professor Calabresi’s article was based on the Appointments Clause of the Constitution, Article II, Section 2, Clause 2. Under that provision, so-called principal officers of the United States must be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate under its “Advice and Consent” powers.

He argued that Mr. Mueller was a principal officer because he is exercising significant law enforcement authority and that since he has not been confirmed by the Senate, his appointment was unconstitutional. As one of us argued at the time, he was wrong. What makes an officer a principal officer is that he or she reports only to the president. No one else in government is that person’s boss. But Mr. Mueller reports to Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general. So, Mr. Mueller is what is known as an inferior officer, not a principal one, and his appointment without Senate approval was valid.

But Professor Calabresi and Mr. Trump were right about the core principle. A principal officer must be confirmed by the Senate. And that has a very significant consequence today.It means that Mr. Trump’s installation of Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general of the United States after forcing the resignation of Jeff Sessions is unconstitutional. It’s illegal. And it means that anything Mr. Whitaker does, or tries to do, in that position is invalid.

Much of the commentary about Mr. Whitaker’s appointment has focused on all sorts of technical points about the Vacancies Reform Act and Justice Department succession statutes. But the flaw in the appointment of Mr. Whitaker, who was Mr. Sessions’s chief of staff at the Justice Department, runs much deeper. It defies one of the explicit checks and balances set out in the Constitution, a provision designed to protect us all against the centralization of government power.

If you don’t believe us, then take it from Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, whom Mr. Trump once called his “favorite” sitting justice. Last year, the Supreme Court examined the question of whether the general counsel of the National Labor Relations Board had been lawfully appointed to his job without Senate confirmation. The Supreme Court held the appointment invalid on a statutory ground.

Justice Thomas agreed with the judgment, but wrote separately to emphasize that even if the statute had allowed the appointment, the Constitution’s Appointments Clause would not have. The officer in question was a principal officer, he concluded. And the public interest protected by the Appointments Clause was a critical one: The Constitution’s drafters, Justice Thomas argued, “recognized the serious risk for abuse and corruption posed by permitting one person to fill every office in the government.” Which is why, he pointed out, the framers provided for advice and consent of the Senate.

What goes for a mere lawyer at the N.L.R.B. goes in spades for the attorney general of the United States, the head of the Justice Department and one of the most important people in the federal government. It is one thing to appoint an acting underling, like an acting solicitor general, a post one of us held. But those officials are always supervised by higher-ups; in the case of the solicitor general, by the attorney general and deputy attorney general, both confirmed by the Senate.

Mr. Whitaker has not been named to some junior post one or two levels below the Justice Department’s top job. He has now been vested with the law enforcement authority of the entire United States government, including the power to supervise Senate-confirmed officials like the deputy attorney general, the solicitor general and all United States attorneys.

We cannot tolerate such an evasion of the Constitution’s very explicit, textually precise design. Senate confirmation exists for a simple, and good, reason. Constitutionally, Matthew Whitaker is a nobody. His job as Mr. Sessions’s chief of staff did not require Senate confirmation. (Yes, he was confirmed as a federal prosecutor in Iowa, in 2004, but Mr. Trump can’t cut and paste that old, lapsed confirmation to today.) For the president to install Mr. Whitaker as our chief law enforcement officer is to betray the entire structure of our charter document.

In times of crisis, interim appointments need to be made. Cabinet officials die, and wars and other tragic events occur. It is very difficult to see how the current situation comports with those situations. And even if it did, there are officials readily at hand, including the deputy attorney general and the solicitor general, who were nominated by Mr. Trump and confirmed by the Senate. Either could step in as acting attorney general, both constitutionally and statutorily.

Because Mr. Whitaker has not undergone the process of Senate confirmation, there has been no mechanism for scrutinizing whether he has the character and ability to evenhandedly enforce the law in a position of such grave responsibility. The public is entitled to that assurance, especially since Mr. Whitaker’s only supervisor is Mr. Trump himself, and the president is hopelessly compromised by the Mueller investigation. That is why adherence to the requirements of the Appointments Clause is so important here, and always.

As we wrote last week, the Constitution is a bipartisan document, written for the ages to guard against wrongdoing by officials of any party. Mr. Whitaker’s installation makes a mockery of our Constitution and our founders’ ideals. As Justice Thomas’s opinion in the N.L.R.B. case reminds us, the Constitution’s framers “had lived under a form of government that permitted arbitrary governmental acts to go unchecked.” He added “they knew that liberty could be preserved only by ensuring that the powers of government would never be consolidated in one body.”

We must heed those words today.

Neal K. Katyal (@neal_katyal) was an acting solicitor general under President Barack Obama and is a lawyer at Hogan Lovells in Washington. George T. Conway III (@gtconway3d) is a litigator at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz in New York.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Matt who? Looks like Donald might be hedging his bets on Whitaker, didn't take long to throw this guy under the bus, if Whitaker has a brain under that bald head, he won't take any chances for Trump. This guy is gonna end up in an orange jump suit if he does anything at all against the Mueller investigation and he'd better be real careful in his testimony before congress and a grand jury about conversations with Trump.
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Trump backpeddles on knowing Matt Whitaker
President Trump says he doesn't know acting attorney general Matt Whitaker despite calling him a "great guy" one month prior on Fox news.

Whitaker backlash prompts concern at the White House
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/white-house-matt-whitaker-criticism/index.html

(CNN)There is a growing sense of concern inside the White House over the negative reaction to Matthew Whitaker being tapped as acting attorney general after Jeff Sessions' abrupt firing.

Whitaker, who was Sessions' chief of staff, has faced criticism since Wednesday afternoon's announcement for his previous comments on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
Several senior officials told CNN they were surprised by the criticism, and believe it could potentially jeopardize Whitaker's chances of remaining in the post if it continues to dominate headlines.
Whitaker is expected to take over oversight of Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether Trump campaign associates colluded with Russia. He has given no indication he believes he needs to step aside from overseeing the probe, according to one person familiar with his thinking, a belief echoed by White House officials. And a source close to the President told CNN that the idea of Whitaker ending or suppressing the Russia probe is not an option as of now.
But Whitaker has previously expressed deep skepticism about the probe, including arguing in a 2017 CNN op-ed that Mueller was "dangerously close to crossing" a red line following reports that the special counsel was looking into Trump's finances and calling Mueller's appointment "ridiculous" and "a little fishy" in a 2017 appearance on the "Rose Unplugged" radio program.
Whitaker also spoke about the investigation in numerous other radio and television appearances, including CNN, where he was a legal commentator.
It was not widely known among White House staff that he'd commented repeatedly on the special counsel's investigation in interviews and on television -- which is ironic given that this is what drew President Donald Trump to him and raises continued questions over the depth of the administration's vetting process.
Sam Clovis, a 2016 Trump campaign national chairman who has close ties to Whitaker, encouraged him to get a regular commentary gig on cable television to get Trump's attention, according to friends Whitaker told at the time. Whitaker was hired as a CNN legal commentator last year for several months before leaving the role in September 2017 to head to the Justice Department.

Along with the breadth of his previous comments on the investigation, there have been questions about the legality of Whitaker's appointment.

George Conway, the husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, co-authored a New York Times op-ed published Thursday that called the appointment "unconstitutional."
The Appointments Clause of the Constitution, Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, Conway wrote, "means Mr. Trump's installation of Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general of the United States after forcing the resignation of Jeff Sessions is unconstitutional. It's illegal. And it means that anything Mr. Whitaker does, or tries to do, in that position is invalid."

Whitaker's standing ultimately depends on the President. But continued negative coverage will get Trump's attention.
 
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The Worst Intern Assignment At The White House

Press Secretary Sanders released a statement condemning a CNN reporter's behavior during Trump's latest press conference. And, breaking news, it wasn't accurate.
 

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Matt who? Looks like Donald might be hedging his bets on Whitaker, didn't take long to throw this guy under the bus, if Whitaker has a brain under that bald head, he won't take any chances for Trump. This guy is gonna end up in an orange jump suit if he does anything at all against the Mueller investigation and he'd better be real careful in his testimony before congress and a grand jury about conversations with Trump.
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Trump backpeddles on knowing Matt Whitaker
President Trump says he doesn't know acting attorney general Matt Whitaker despite calling him a "great guy" one month prior on Fox news.
Are you implying that Trump is either riddled with dementia or lying?
 

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Mueller is done..he was just waiting for mid-terms to be over and not pull a comey..i still don't get why he did that to clinton.
Yes, yes, we know that reality is plastic to you.

How about that election we just had? Democrats kicked ass, didn't they?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Are you implying that Trump is either riddled with dementia or lying?
Donald is brain damaged and a life of indolence has magnified his many innate character flaws, age and a shitty life style also seem be contributing to the resultant asshole who is the POTUS! Of course Donald lies pathologically and is incapable of honest or even factual discourse, he does not live in the moment, but for it.
 

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Looks like stormy times ahead for Trump, your move Matthew Whitaker, let's see how you handle this FEC violation and the other charges stemming from it. Cohen already plead guilty to the crime and is eager to testify against Trump in this slam dunk of a case, real low hanging fruit for Uncle Sam here, no rush to go after the Russian thing yet. I thought they would dangle Don jr by the nuts as bait, but there's no need, this is easy to prove and directly implicates Trump with a felony(s).
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WSJ: Prosecutors Gather Evidence Of Donald Trump Role In Stormy Daniels Payments | Katy Tur | MSNBC
Federal prosecutors have gathered new evidence relating to the role President Trump may have played in arranging payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels.
 
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That's rhetorical, correct?

Edit; that's rhetorical, too.
Yep

I intended to be agreeably sarcastic. Maybe we should agree upon a sarcasm font because the internet doesn't allow for tone of voice or a glint of the eye that would help. Though being flamed for unintentionally hitting a hot button can be amusing too.
 

schuylaar

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Matt who? Looks like Donald might be hedging his bets on Whitaker, didn't take long to throw this guy under the bus, if Whitaker has a brain under that bald head, he won't take any chances for Trump. This guy is gonna end up in an orange jump suit if he does anything at all against the Mueller investigation and he'd better be real careful in his testimony before congress and a grand jury about conversations with Trump.
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Trump backpeddles on knowing Matt Whitaker
President Trump says he doesn't know acting attorney general Matt Whitaker despite calling him a "great guy" one month prior on Fox news.

Whitaker backlash prompts concern at the White House
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/white-house-matt-whitaker-criticism/index.html

(CNN)There is a growing sense of concern inside the White House over the negative reaction to Matthew Whitaker being tapped as acting attorney general after Jeff Sessions' abrupt firing.

Whitaker, who was Sessions' chief of staff, has faced criticism since Wednesday afternoon's announcement for his previous comments on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
Several senior officials told CNN they were surprised by the criticism, and believe it could potentially jeopardize Whitaker's chances of remaining in the post if it continues to dominate headlines.
Whitaker is expected to take over oversight of Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether Trump campaign associates colluded with Russia. He has given no indication he believes he needs to step aside from overseeing the probe, according to one person familiar with his thinking, a belief echoed by White House officials. And a source close to the President told CNN that the idea of Whitaker ending or suppressing the Russia probe is not an option as of now.
But Whitaker has previously expressed deep skepticism about the probe, including arguing in a 2017 CNN op-ed that Mueller was "dangerously close to crossing" a red line following reports that the special counsel was looking into Trump's finances and calling Mueller's appointment "ridiculous" and "a little fishy" in a 2017 appearance on the "Rose Unplugged" radio program.
Whitaker also spoke about the investigation in numerous other radio and television appearances, including CNN, where he was a legal commentator.
It was not widely known among White House staff that he'd commented repeatedly on the special counsel's investigation in interviews and on television -- which is ironic given that this is what drew President Donald Trump to him and raises continued questions over the depth of the administration's vetting process.
Sam Clovis, a 2016 Trump campaign national chairman who has close ties to Whitaker, encouraged him to get a regular commentary gig on cable television to get Trump's attention, according to friends Whitaker told at the time. Whitaker was hired as a CNN legal commentator last year for several months before leaving the role in September 2017 to head to the Justice Department.

Along with the breadth of his previous comments on the investigation, there have been questions about the legality of Whitaker's appointment.

George Conway, the husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, co-authored a New York Times op-ed published Thursday that called the appointment "unconstitutional."
The Appointments Clause of the Constitution, Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, Conway wrote, "means Mr. Trump's installation of Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general of the United States after forcing the resignation of Jeff Sessions is unconstitutional. It's illegal. And it means that anything Mr. Whitaker does, or tries to do, in that position is invalid."

Whitaker's standing ultimately depends on the President. But continued negative coverage will get Trump's attention.
how can he say he doesn't know him?..he JUST appointed HIM. trump is a MONSTER and this is JUST THE BEGINNING.
 

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Monologue: Split Decision | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
Bill recaps the top stories of the week, including midterm election results and Trump's firing of Jeff.
New Rule: The Slow-Moving Coup | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
In his penultimate New Rule of the season, Bill takes a look back at an exhausting year in politics and issues a warning about Trump's dictatorial desires.
 
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Next up in the unfolding drama
Stormy screwed Trump literally and now figuratively, if Whitaker does anything to interfere he will be ignored and will end up in prison for obstruction of justice. Whitaker will have to have a very small brain and big balls to act illegally while being surrounded in the DOJ by FBI agents and prosecutors who are far better lawyers than him. Since his appointment is not legal or constitutional senators are suing, the courts and senate might become involved soon. This is not a Mueller case but a "spin off" to other parts of the DOJ, the FEC and IRS are involved in this matter as well...
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WSJ reporter: Trump pretty much lied
Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Rothfeld discusses the new report that says federal prosecutors have gathered evidence that shows Trump played a central role in hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
 
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