The CORRECT homemade TERPINATOR/RESINATOR formula!

Dr. Who · Apr 30, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
I prefer the president of dyna grow's take on all this. He made the bloom bottle in response to customer demand and knows it doesn't do shit for anyone and admits it in this interview.

Isn't this a perfect example of how a bunch of foolish, non experienced people can effect even a business to do things it doesn't want to....

High P bloom feeds = stupid....starting them at the flip - stupider...

Be interesting to see their new line when it comes out.

MichiganMedGrower · Apr 30, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Isn't this a perfect example of how a bunch of foolish, non experienced people can effect even a business to do things it doesn't want to....

High P bloom feeds = stupid....starting them at the flip - stupider...

Be interesting to see their new line when it comes out.

Yup.

But how will we know if it's still bullshit like the bloom formula?

Is anyone really seeing any benefit to different ratios or brands? Seems the gardeners practices and growroom environment are way more important.

For instance. If I used bigger pots and rooted less before flower I could likely get by with a bloom only formula because of the nitrogen left in the soil.

And environment like if I feed too much nitrogen heavy fertilizer and it is very hot and dry in the room the plants will uptake too fast and stress or burn.

Or if it gets colder there just simply may be too much salts building up in our pots and now it's too much for the roots.

2 opposite issues with very similar results that look like the fertilizers fault.

Dr. Who · Apr 30, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
You should care why it works. Without a mode of action and some actual evidence I am expected to listen to the opinion of a fellow pot head.

Sigh, You can choose who you want to listen to. You can choose to use something or not.

If something works for you,,,,you tend to use it. It works for me. I told people they might want to try it. I got reply's that it worked for some. Some, not so much.

I take notes on my grow, not so much for on the fly research.
I don't remember where I found the info on what it's doing - I don't really care - it works....For me, the guy who has grown MJ for over 40 years - That's good enough for me to use it.

Pot head? I don't smoke non-stop everyday. I don't smoke every day. I might smoke twice a week and I might only smoke once, I might even go longer then a week.....

I tow the given charting of NO nutrient line! I don't believe there is a single one out there that will work as charted - for almost any strain......Your going to have to supplement or adjust what you feed......To get to the point I want the plant to preform at.

This is getting close to becoming a pissing match! So fucking what on "how it works".....I'm not writing a book. I'm growing for results I want.

I've found out in my time here that there are people getting results, sometimes that astound me, by doing things I don't believe in.
I did what your doing. "It don't work for me" - "Give me the why and how it works". It ended poorly. Neither person learned anything.

I'm not really a religious guy - Sometimes faith, works.

Better then thinly veiled insult......

The need to know why it works - for me - Is not always as important as it doing something I want it to do.

Dr. Who · Apr 30, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Yup.

But how will we know if it's still bullshit like the bloom formula?

Is anyone really seeing any benefit to different ratios or brands? Seems the gardeners practices and growroom environment are way more important.

For instance. If I used bigger pots and rooted less before flower I could likely get by with a bloom only formula because of the nitrogen left in the soil.

And environment like if I feed too much nitrogen heavy fertilizer and it is very hot and dry in the room the plants will uptake too fast and stress or burn.

Or if it gets colder there just simply may be too much salts building up in our pots and now it's too much for the roots.

2 opposite issues with very similar results that look like the fertilizers fault.

To me - NPK ratio's are very telling..I know where my NPK values should be to get to where I want to be. I may have to do minor adjusting to the plants needs...The charted feeding is the rest of the story!

The whole idea of Botanicares KIND line is so you can adjust each part to fit your plants needs! The charting on that is a general starting point and they intend that you adjust to your own personal needs......Now AN might be different - They want you to do it their way.....The way that makes them money...

I'm quietly playing with some synthetic's again.....I have 3 parts. None are from the same company. I feed the plants by need. I look at them and adjust what I give them by the way the plant looks to get to where I want the plant to be and/or maintain the way it is.

Over the years of growing you learn things to the point of habit. I look at the NPK of what I want in each part. I can take those - feed at my figured amounts - to get the ratio's I want to deliver. I'll supplement a few things at a few times and in the end.....get what I want out of the plant. I might take a cpl runs to get there but, you gotta learn a new strain before you get what your attempting too from it.

I keep my environment at a very tight setting - other then natural swing for the machines that do the cooling and RH,,,,,settings remain the same......I have a totally predictable environ. I use that to get to my goals. I suspect you do too.

MichiganMedGrower · Apr 30, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Sigh, You can choose who you want to listen to. You can choose to use something or not.

If something works for you,,,,you tend to use it. It works for me. I told people they might want to try it. I got reply's that it worked for some. Some, not so much.

I take notes on my grow, not so much for on the fly research.
I don't remember where I found the info on what it's doing - I don't really care - it works....For me, the guy who has grown MJ for over 40 years - That's good enough for me to use it.

Pot head? I don't smoke non-stop everyday. I don't smoke every day. I might smoke twice a week and I might only smoke once, I might even go longer then a week.....

I tow the given charting of NO nutrient line! I don't believe there is a single one out there that will work as charted - for almost any strain......Your going to have to supplement or adjust what you feed......To get to the point I want the plant to preform at.

This is getting close to becoming a pissing match! So fucking what on "how it works".....I'm not writing a book. I'm growing for results I want.

I've found out in my time here that there are people getting results, sometimes that astound me, by doing things I don't believe in.
I did what your doing. "It don't work for me" - "Give me the why and how it works". It ended poorly. Neither person learned anything.

I'm not really a religious guy - Sometimes faith, works.

Better then thinly veiled insult......

The need to know why it works - for me - Is not always as important as it doing something I want it to do.

I have learned tons by reading a thread here or elsewhere written by a grower sure about his results and found out that the growers assertion has absolutely nothing to do with the results.

Like saying sulfer feeds trichs. Silly comment. No basis in science to support. The plant just needs as much as it needs. Doesn't matter if they poured extra sulfer in and saw more trichs the next day. They are still there inventing a cause of action.

It has to do with your last comment above. It's what they want to do first and foremost. I need to know why.

It sure isn't hurting my results.

And Doc. With your smoking habits you are a lightweight. (No offense meant I don't know how else to put it. I smoke all the time. I have internal health problems it has always relieved. And except for short breaks a few times over the last 10 years I always have.

My tolerance is very very high. If pot gets me high it tends to destroy others. How would you be able to guage the effects I need with lower tolerance?

When everyone is finally couchlocked I am still running around full of energy.

So many variables......

CannaBruh · Apr 30, 2017

Have either of you fed flowering plants a mild 1.5-1-1 throughout the grow? My results were horrible in a 1-off experiment. Horrible in comparison to flowers from other runs. What it did inform me of was my high yielders (seed runs) as the ones that I expect to do well still developed nice thick flowers where the others in contrast were very lacking of flower structure and leafy.

Customers bring their pocket books, and if a company bends to pander to those who want to spend on what they think they know, then the company is only exploiting that.

Dr. Who · Apr 30, 2017

@MichiganMedGrower

I have learned tons by reading a thread here or elsewhere written by a grower sure about his results and found out that the growers assertion has absolutely nothing to do with the results.

I agree!

Like saying sulfur feeds trichs. Silly comment. No basis in science to support. The plant just needs as much as it needs. Doesn't matter if they poured extra sulfer in and saw more trichs the next day. They are still there inventing a cause of action.

"I" see it as it most likely being it's relationship to other things at that increased rate....."One hand scratching the other" type of thing..
I find good results for what I'm attempting achieve with it's use - the way I incorporate it..

It has to do with your last comment above. It's what they want to do first and foremost. I need to know why.

It sure isn't hurting my results.

I was the same way for years.....I still can be, if the topic grips me enough. So I fully understand. In fact, I was more frustrated with not having your answer, then the question bothered me....

And Doc. With your smoking habits you are a lightweight. (No offense meant I don't know how else to put it. I smoke all the time. I have internal health problems it has always relieved. And except for short breaks a few times over the last 10 years I always have.

I understand fully! I get frustrated with anyone that calls me a "pot head"......Been there, done that.....many years ago, when I began having lots of pot around, in plenty of strains to choose from (High school smokers dream) and in quantity. I just became, oh, apathetic about it in a way. I do have a problem with migraine, increasing arthritic back problems and in hands and knee's....I do smoke for relief on those problems...... Thankfully the migraine's are in a lull and you never know about the arthritic problems - some days are bad.

lightweight? LOL, I guess - no offence there!

My tolerance is very very high. If pot gets me high it tends to destroy others. How would you be able to guage the effects I need with lower tolerance?

Surprisingly, I have found that it's easier to judge things with less tolerance......I think I can "see/feel" different minor aspects better then most of my smoke - o - haulic buddies......Gosh, must say that some of my heavy smoking patients. Give the best feedback though! So gauging need is by talking honestly between the grower and the user......Not everyone can describe what they're experiencing the same as others.....If X strain works like K strain and lasts longer and is more intense to start. It's got a better then fair shot of being a good strain for rotation in patient use.

That means that I do not simply give the same "working" strain to patients....I work with mine to find 3-4 strains that cover their needs. I have them rotate the use of them, just so they don't build up a tolerance to any particular one.... I do see that problem in many smokers and patients..

Bet you rotate some too...eh?

When everyone is finally couchlocked I am still running around full of energy.

So many variables.....

SO CORRECT!

Nice post, thanks. I needed that, I was getting a bit stressed....We're good!

Dr. Who · Apr 30, 2017

CannaBruh said:
Have either of you fed flowering plants a mild 1.5-1-1 throughout the grow? My results were horrible in a 1-off experiment. Horrible in comparison to flowers from other runs. What it did inform me of was my high yielders (seed runs) as the ones that I expect to do well still developed nice thick flowers where the others in contrast were very lacking of flower structure and leafy.

Customers bring their pocket books, and if a company bends to pander to those who want to spend on what they think they know, then the company is only exploiting that.

The last sentence is exactly correct.....Yet, for the issue of Dyna Gro.....If you don't, you loose a market share that is becoming very large. They're taking they're time with putting the product out (Canna balanced line) to ensure it's able to do the best it can over a wide strain base that can include those that require little to feeding monsters that shock me with their need/ability to "use" nutrition.

Did some minimalist like testing way,way back.....I learned things from that, that I use today. Micro needs are so much more then many understand..... I'm still learning what the influence of particular micro's are for the many aspect's of cannabis growing in relation to the final potentials.....

MichiganMedGrower · Apr 30, 2017

Dr. Who said:
@MichiganMedGrower

I have learned tons by reading a thread here or elsewhere written by a grower sure about his results and found out that the growers assertion has absolutely nothing to do with the results.

I agree!

Like saying sulfur feeds trichs. Silly comment. No basis in science to support. The plant just needs as much as it needs. Doesn't matter if they poured extra sulfer in and saw more trichs the next day. They are still there inventing a cause of action.

"I" see it as it most likely being it's relationship to other things at that increased rate....."One hand scratching the other" type of thing..
I find good results for what I'm attempting achieve with it's use - the way I incorporate it..

It has to do with your last comment above. It's what they want to do first and foremost. I need to know why.

It sure isn't hurting my results.

I was the same way for years.....I still can be, if the topic grips me enough. So I fully understand. In fact, I was more frustrated with not having your answer, then the question bothered me....

And Doc. With your smoking habits you are a lightweight. (No offense meant I don't know how else to put it. I smoke all the time. I have internal health problems it has always relieved. And except for short breaks a few times over the last 10 years I always have.

I understand fully! I get frustrated with anyone that calls me a "pot head"......Been there, done that.....many years ago, when I began having lots of pot around, in plenty of strains to choose from (High school smokers dream) and in quantity. I just became, oh, apathetic about it in a way. I do have a problem with migraine, increasing arthritic back problems and in hands and knee's....I do smoke for relief on those problems...... Thankfully the migraine's are in a lull and you never know about the arthritic problems - some days are bad.

lightweight? LOL, I guess - no offence there!

My tolerance is very very high. If pot gets me high it tends to destroy others. How would you be able to guage the effects I need with lower tolerance?

Surprisingly, I have found that it's easier to judge things with less tolerance......I think I can "see/feel" different minor aspects better then most of my smoke - o - haulic buddies......Gosh, must say that some of my heavy smoking patients. Give the best feedback though! So gauging need is by talking honestly between the grower and the user......Not everyone can describe what they're experiencing the same as others.....If X strain works like K strain and lasts longer and is more intense to start. It's got a better then fair shot of being a good strain for rotation in patient use.

That means that I do not simply give the same "working" strain to patients....I work with mine to find 3-4 strains that cover their needs. I have them rotate the use of them, just so they don't build up a tolerance to any particular one.... I do see that problem in many smokers and patients..

Bet you rotate some too...eh?

When everyone is finally couchlocked I am still running around full of energy.

So many variables.....

SO CORRECT!

Nice post, thanks. I needed that, I was getting a bit stressed....We're good!

Thanks. I was hoping it would not be taken the wrong way.

And I make sure a different plant is curing all the time so I always have fresh variety.

Right now we can choose from jars of...

Stella Blue Dream. G-13/Skunk x BLue Lemon Thai, Critical Mass x BLT, BLT #5, Deadhead OG and BLT #3 s-1.

The list will be completely different in a matter of weeks except for 2 running clones. Which I keep ditching as I am starting to believe well grown seed plants can be stronger. And the convention that cuttings are equal or can be better depends entirely on initial rooting. Which is weaker lateral rooting in any case so....

Another discussion another time :-)

MichiganMedGrower · Apr 30, 2017

CannaBruh said:
Have either of you fed flowering plants a mild 1.5-1-1 throughout the grow? My results were horrible in a 1-off experiment. Horrible in comparison to flowers from other runs. What it did inform me of was my high yielders (seed runs) as the ones that I expect to do well still developed nice thick flowers where the others in contrast were very lacking of flower structure and leafy.

Customers bring their pocket books, and if a company bends to pander to those who want to spend on what they think they know, then the company is only exploiting that.

I never ran so low % of available nutes but is it an organic feed like epsoma? It could be more powerful if the biology was optimal.

I use Pure Blend pro which is more "hydro-organic" and works as well as a mineral salt based 20-20-20 or the like. Even though it is made of all natural ingredients like seaweed and guano. They process and ferment or some process that helps with plant availability.

But I agree with your point on genetics for sure.

MMJ Dreaming 99 · May 12, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Dark Brown Sugar 1.5 tsp packed.

Not enough carbs in molasses for this, AND I don't want what molasses can bring to the table.....My choice.

Yo. I am running 4-20-39 with Mag Sulfate and Cal Nitrate. I am pretty high at 39 Potash. Should I just use brown sugar or a mix.

Dr. Who · May 12, 2017

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:
Yo. I am running 4-20-39 with Mag Sulfate and Cal Nitrate. I am pretty high at 39 Potash. Should I just use brown sugar or a mix.

An NPK of 4-20-39......That should get you some real problems in bloom......they stay green till the end? That's a way out of wack NPK ratio for cannabis....

Even if you divided your amount used down. The P&K is way high.....N is right.....No way you need that kind of P.

MichiganMedGrower · May 12, 2017

Dr. Who said:
An NPK of 4-20-39......That should get you some real problems in bloom......they stay green till the end? That's a way out of wack NPK ratio for cannabis....

Even if you divided your amount used down. The P&K is way high.....N is right.....No way you need that kind of P.

Just to say here. The calcium nitrate balances that mix out. They go together.

Dr. Who · May 12, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Just to say here. The calcium nitrate balances that mix out. They go together.

An N of 4 and a P of 20? Even if he's supping the N with Ca(NO3)2 at what, 15 - 16 % N that comes out to about 20-20-36 right? He still would have to use a 1/4 dose to be in ratio for cannabis - right?

I mean, I wish people could understand to post the ratio they actually apply......While the N does balance out the higher P, personally, I don't care for that high a P and using N to correct it. (high N showing in plants?)

On a related note: I've been playing with differing ratio's in my quest to answer personal questions on the no ambering front.....I basically only find average to longer bloom times for the differing ratio's I've feed.... This is also part of the reason for running some synthetic feed plants again.......As far as I can conclude. I'm affecting the plants production of ethylene gas and that's what giving me longer blooms....Sometimes that makes for a pretty looking bud. Not enough to run that way!

Anyway....I get your point Med.!

Dr. Who · May 12, 2017

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:
Yo. I am running 4-20-39 with Mag Sulfate and Cal Nitrate. I am pretty high at 39 Potash. Should I just use brown sugar or a mix.

Here is where I might add 1 tsp of molasses to my feed, say every other application.....No more....I've never been a fan of molasses for anything other then making AACT (bio tea).

Altered State · May 12, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Here is where I might add 1 tsp of molasses to my feed, say every other application.....No more....I've never been a fan of molasses for anything other then making AACT (bio tea).

My sentiments exactly

MMJ Dreaming 99 · May 12, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Just to say here. The calcium nitrate balances that mix out. They go together.

Here is the mix. The company has been a wholesale farmer and grower supply store. They say it is good for MMJ. 4-20-39. I add in Mag Sulfate and Calcium Nitrate.

https://hydro-gardens.com/product/420-hydroponic-25lbs-bag/

I can back down the 4-20-39 to a lower mix.
Here is the schedule mix by each week of veg and flower.
https://hydro-gardens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/42039-Recipe-2017.pdf

MMJ Dreaming 99 · May 12, 2017

Dr. Who said:
Here is where I might add 1 tsp of molasses to my feed, say every other application.....No more....I've never been a fan of molasses for anything other then making AACT (bio tea).

Molasses and not your brown sugar? Thanks for your help and also your help on Forbid analysis.

MMJ Dreaming 99 · May 12, 2017

Here is another question. My ex-guru who kind of disappeared had me using a mix of Fulvic Acid, Kelp and Whey in small does in flower.

MichiganMedGrower · May 12, 2017

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:
Here is the mix. The company has been a wholesale farmer and grower supply store. They say it is good for MMJ. 4-20-39. I add in Mag Sulfate and Calcium Nitrate.

https://hydro-gardens.com/product/420-hydroponic-25lbs-bag/

I can back down the 4-20-39 to a lower mix.
Here is the schedule mix by each week of veg and flower.
https://hydro-gardens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/42039-Recipe-2017.pdf

Yeah. It sounds like a good adjustable hydro style mix. Like jacks or the big commercial guys like Yara.

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