hempstead
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Kerry Von erich's famous wrestling move was "the Von Erich Claw".
The claw!!!
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Brick Top
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Oh .... when I was a kid and watched wrasslin' there was a wrassler' that called himself Baron von Raschke and that was his famous finishing move too.
"The Baron" is on the right. Next to him is Mad Dog Vachon, another wrassler' from the ancient past. Once while in a WalMart a good number of years ago I heard an announcement and it was Mad Dog Vachon who was there and for $5.00, which was going to some charity for children you could get your picture taken with him. In that I watched him DECADES before, and the money was going to a good cause, I had two pictures taken with him, one of him with me in a headlock. The face he was making was hilarious. He looked like he was in the ring trying to take someone's head off and I was grinning from ear to ear looking like an idiot. It was all I could do to keep from laughing from the reaction I could see on the faces of the people watching us.
klonerone
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I have had the exact same prob....At the exact same time two weeks into flower.....fertilizer regimes call for way too much N for the transition period from veg to flower. I switched to the Lucas formula for flowering and never had the problem again.....definetly not the superthrive, superthrive can't hurt anything, superthrive rules! Nitrogen toxicity sucks. jajaja
good luck!
DrFever
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yea flush it flush it flush it good and hope there not to damaged
some plants just do it i noticed mine did it when i was on 4th - 5th week of flower i was like WTF but i still flushed
i noticed when it was time to water my soil was still wet , was like 10 days after my last watering when i noticed soil dry up
and yes i personally think it effected yield cause for like the 10 days plants did nothing but probably internal fixing of its vascular system
DrFever
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SuperThrive tho being expensive is awesome in veg i use it everytime i veg an bringing up cuttings for the transition period goin into flowering people are adding or should ?? mixture of veg nutes an flowering nutes by second watering 1/4 veg / 3/4 flowering then just flowering NUTES last time i gave nutes everywatering in flower this time its getting it every second watering with approx 300 ppm more for each nute waterin
klonerone
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I give my plants a drop of superthrive with every gallon I give them straight through to chop chop. They love me for it. At least that is what I tell myself!!!! JAJA good luck....oh ya the damaged leaves are not gonna heal up they will probably turn necrotic from the middle outward then dry out and die......so don't be alarmed.
good luck!
good luck!
Brick Top
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Many growers tend to really pour on the nutes during veg trying to get as much growth as possible. The plants will not use as much as they are given so there is a buildup in the soil. They switch to flower and flowering nutes and before long they see 'the claw' and they can't figure out why ... but it is because the plants are getting the amount of nitrogen in the flowering nutes plus what is built up in the soil and getting it at a time when the plants want/need less rather than more ... resulting problem, vascular damage due to nitrogen toxicity.
It is never an injudicious thing to do to flush, at least a little between veg and flower or at least cut back on the nutes somewhat about two thirds of the way through veg to allow the plants to use what has built up.
SuperThrive is not bad in veg but unless someone wants an extended flowering time it is best to not use it during flower. Ornamental plant growers love SuperThrive because flowers last longer so their plants look pretty longer. It does it by slowing down the flowering process and it does the same thing when used with cannabis plants.
Now if someone does not mind their flowering period lengthened then use it in flower too .... buds will grow slower but they will grow longer and they can grow larger .. but it will throw off/extend the length of your flowering period pushing back your harvest time.
stonedmetalhead1
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What's up man I was wondering how similar the Western Winds was compared to Kali Mist and was one better than the other?
Brick Top
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They are rather similar, similar enough that some people claim they are the exact same thing, like Sagatmatha purchased some Kali Mist and then made seeds and called it by another name, or that it is basically a knockoff that was not given the same name like knockoffs normally are.
I did not find them similar enough to believe either of those things to be true, but they still are close and if strains were tightly categorized by similarities they would have to be put together in the same group. The differences I saw were more in growth patterns and visual appearance and aroma more than the high. though the high was not exactly the same either. It is very similar, but not an exact twin, at least not to me.
I would have to give the edge to Kali Mist, I would have to say it is the better of the two ..... BUT .... if someone has a lower budget and wants a Kali Mist like high, the strain that I am familiar with that would be the closest to it would be Western Winds .. and that makes it what I call a 'value strain.' Using Attitude's pricing Western Winds is roughly half the price of Kali Mist so for what you get, with what little difference between the two there is, that makes Western Winds a good value.
It also makes it a strain to keep in mind for anyone who might use Kali Mist for medicinal purposes and who grows from seed. If one day they might have a problem finding Kali Mist seeds when they need them but could find Western Winds it would make a good second option.
stonedmetalhead1
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Right on man, I appreciate it. I've never grown WW but I love some Kali Mist but since the change in 2000 it hasn't been the same. I was hoping WW was a knock off from the original but oh well. Thanks again.
PlantManBee
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over watering can cause the claw as well as N toxicity.
baron von raschke used to live across the street when i was a kid lol...thanks for the memories
baron von raschke used to live across the street when i was a kid lol...thanks for the memories
Brick Top
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So you were/are a Nebraska boy eh, or had by then 'The Baron' moved to some other State? (NOT that I am asking your present location/area)
I met another old wrassler' once, Ivan Koloff, and he was about as much a Russian as I am Brad Pitt. He was an amazingly soft spoken guy and fun to talk to but when I mentioned how I grew up watching Mad Dog and The Baron and Dick the Bruiser and his supposed cousin The Crusher his eyes really lit up and he started laughing.
He told me about a night when after a show in Chicago they were headed to some town in Indiana for the following night's show and he missed his ride and ended up getting a ride with Dick the Bruiser. He said Dick loved champagne and women and always had several bottles after his matches. He said the whole way to the town in Indiana Dick guzzled champagne and had two wheels off the road and sometimes into the ditch and never got under 80 MPH. Ivan said he never got into a car with him again.
He also said that later in life Dick lived a couple doors from another old wrassler' named Wilbur Snyder.He said that Wilbur's wife was positive that Dick was certifiably insane and she would not let Wilbur let Dick in their house so whenever Dick stopped by for a visit with Wilbur they always hung out in the garage or on the lawn.
Dick the Bruiser used the claw too but many a time I saw The Baron put it on Dick the Bruiser ... and I remember one match where they each had it on the other and it was a 'test of pain endurance' who could hold out the longest .. even though moves like that were really just to give the wrassler's a chance to be more or less motionless for a while and catch their breath before going on with the act ... or an exciting for the fans way to see a match end.
Akay
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to answer your question brick top I usually will water with plain phed water and then test the first few drops of runoff. I use reverse osmosis water with the ph adjusted to 6.5. The claw seems to have improved on some leaves but grown worse on others but the buds are still swelling like crazy every day so I don't think it affected bud growth. I never used too much nitrogen but it could possibly be nitrogen toxicity exacerbated by ph problems or maybe just the genetics of the strain because it is bagseed but I can already tell the buds are gonna be NICE if they keep growing at the rate they are now. I flushed the soil pretty good with plain phed water and ima hold off on the nutes for awhile so hopefully I will see more improvement. I'll keep you posted.
PlantManBee
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he was, and apparently still is, in the minneapolis/st. paul area. this thread had me google him...he did a theater piece in Minnesota based on his experiences.
Brick Top
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In the future to have a better idea of what is actually in your soil you should perform what is called a pour through test. You want to test the runoff of fully saturated soil. You water as usual and allow the soil to drain and then roughly 15 to 20 minutes later you then water again using distilled water .. allow it about 15 or 20 minutes to drain and then test that runoff. It will give you a more accurate reading for pH and EC.
Another way to do it is to take soil samples. You mix the soil sample with distilled water thoroughly by swirling in a clean jar and then allow it to stand for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes you pour the mixture through a funnel with a coffee filter in it (using two filters put together best). You collect the filtered water in another clean jar. Your water extract is then ready to test for pH and EC. Naturally you would want to make sure that you have a properly calibrated tester/pen before testing. Then pour enough water extract into a clean cup or another clean jar so that the sensor of the tester/pen will be completely immersed in the extract. The tester/pen should be swirled in the water extract to dislodge any air bubbles and then leave the pen still until a stable (unchanging) reading appears. The stable pH or EC reading is your result.
Those are the two ways it is done at our nursery. It gives you a better reading, a more accurate reading of what is going on in your soil.
Brick Top
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The Baron on stage ... now that would be something worth seeing.
At least he hasn't ended up in an old folks home and crazy and killing another old guy like Verne Gagne did.
PlantManBee
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i did not know that. VG was a huge celebrity and local television personality in the twin cities.
333maxwell
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For what it is worth (don't do anything on my advice, it's just a footnote) when my plants have done that (especially if it gets a bit worse) it MIGHT have something to do with pot size IF you are soil.
At least that is what I have found on a few occasions.. big plants in small pots 'seem' to cause downward curling when they have started to have enough.
And again, this has just been an observation of mine in my own circumstance.. I haven't validated it..
At least that is what I have found on a few occasions.. big plants in small pots 'seem' to cause downward curling when they have started to have enough.
And again, this has just been an observation of mine in my own circumstance.. I haven't validated it..
Brick Top
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Far too many people grow in inadequate sized pots and that causes a root-bound condition and that causes plant stress and a list of various problems. It could at least be part of it in this case.
Brick Top
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It was a sad case.
Sports
Legendary wrestler Verne Gagne linked to man's death
By Emily Kaiser, Thu., Feb. 19 2009 @ 10:03AM
Could a violent outburst by former wrestling champion Verne Gagne, 82, have led to the death of another resident in his retirement community?
MinnPost tells the tragic story of Gagne, who suffers from Alzheimer's-related dementia, and an alleged attack that might have resulted in the death of Helmut R. Gutmann, 97. Gutmann also suffered from Alzheimer's. Both men live in Friendship Village, a Bloomington facility housing people with Alzheimer's and dementia.
On Jan. 26, Gagne allegedly threw Gutmann to the floor. Gutmann was sent to the hospital and died 20 days later.
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It's not known what precipitated the incident between the two men at the memory loss unit of the Friendship Village retirement community. But according to Gutmann's widow, Betty Gutmann, Gagne picked up the diminutive and frail man and hurled him violently to the floor, breaking his hip.
Betty Gutmann said that while she is sad and upset about the attack, those feelings are tempered by the realization that Gagne probably did not understand what he was doing at the time, and apparently does not remember it.
"You can't blame the person that did it," she said. "[Gagne] doesn't know what he's doing. I feel so sorry for his family, because they are faced with a terrible problem of what to do."
Police did not show up after the incident, but they were notified later of an incident Jan. 26. Bloomington police said an investigation was ongoing, but they would confirm the identities of the two involved. Betty Gutmann said that while she is sad and upset about the attack, those feelings are tempered by the realization that Gagne probably did not understand what he was doing at the time, and apparently does not remember it.
"You can't blame the person that did it," she said. "[Gagne] doesn't know what he's doing. I feel so sorry for his family, because they are faced with a terrible problem of what to do."
MinnPost says Gagne had a history of violence at the facility and he no longer lives there. Betsy Gutmann said her husband had a run-in with Gagne once before.
Gagne made a name for himself as a pro wrestler from 1949 to 1981. He launched the "All Star Wrestling" TV show in 1960.
Gutmann was born in Germany and fled Nazi Germany to serve as a captain in the U.S. Army's Chemical Warfare Service in World War II. He also worked as a cancer research scientist in Minneapolis for 40 years.
To read the full story, visit MinnPost.