The Broken Promise of Social Security

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 11, 2009

Broken Promise By : TheBrutalTruth (2009-06-11 18:16:30)

So recently I got my Social Security Statement, and on it was text that makes me want to cringe. The government is now billing Social Security as a promise (of perpetual slavery) between generations. I am enslaved for the benefit of the last generation and in return the next generation will be enslaved for my benefit. This is absurd. I do not desire to be a slave, nor the master of slaves. I do not desire to have some one work for my benefit nor do I desire to be forced to work for the benefit of some one else.

The system that Social Security has been reduced to is a system of perpetual slavery. A system that it was not supposed to become. The promise that those that contributed would get their contributions back was broken when Social Security was used to pay for other Social Programs by short-sighted vote-seeking politicians.

Even in its inception Social Security was a failed concept as it ignores individuals and assumes that everyone is equal in their output. The only just form for Social Security to take would be an individual savings account. Though even that is monstrously unjust as by forcing people to save it deprives them of money that they could use to enhance their earning power, and ignores the fact that human beings are capable of making up their own mind.

It is likely that with the extra $2,000 a year that a person making $8/hour would have that they could either receive a better education or make a better life for themselves on a material level. This is especially true when one looks at the cost of attending a community college which is about $1,000/semester.

This money would then circulate through the economy providing more jobs, or enhancing the earning power of individuals through training, and increase in knowledge. This increase in knowledge could then lead to new technologies being developed, or new materials being discovered that would provide enhanced benefits for all of humanity. The idea that government serves to just benefit individuals through social security or any other socialist benefits program is a monstrous injustice that robs people of the capital they could use to develop better methods, materials and technologies.

In short, by attempting to protect society from their own decisions government is depriving society of the creative spark of individuals that are stuck at the bottom. Social Security is nothing more than a program that leads to the increased stratification of society while depriving it of the creative genius that can randomly be found amongst the lower and middle classes.

Forcing a man to save is unjust, and immoral, as it should be up to an individual what they do with the fruit of their sweat and blood, not up to a distant body of imbeciles enshrined in a city that continuously seeks to steal more and more of the produce of the nation for the pretended benefit of the nation.

NoDrama · Jun 11, 2009

i could do a much better job of saving and investing my money than the Gubbermint can. Social Security is the worlds largest Ponzi scheme, a scheme that would get anyone jail time, but the government can do anything illegal that it wants, it just has to say its in the countries best interest.

medicineman · Jun 12, 2009

How silly you little boys are, slavery indeed. I'd wager that none of you ever did an honest days work in your infantile lives. Many of the lower income workers barely get by on their wages, let alone have anything left for savings. Savings are for the middle income up boys and girls. Social security is for the lower income groups. In fact if you were honest, you'd reject your Social security checks when they come and live off your savings, fat chance of that happening, EH?

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 12, 2009

medicineman said:
How silly you little boys are, slavery indeed. I'd wager that none of you ever did an honest days work in your infantile lives. Many of the lower income workers barely get by on their wages, let alone have anything left for savings. Savings are for the middle income up boys and girls. Social security is for the lower income groups. In fact if you were honest, you'd reject your Social security checks when they come and live off your savings, fat chance of that happening, EH?

$2,000 a year, how much difference would that amount make in their lives, Med?

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 12, 2009

medicineman said:
How silly you little boys are, slavery indeed. I'd wager that none of you ever did an honest days work in your infantile lives. Many of the lower income workers barely get by on their wages, let alone have anything left for savings. Savings are for the middle income up boys and girls. Social security is for the lower income groups. In fact if you were honest, you'd reject your Social security checks when they come and live off your savings, fat chance of that happening, EH?

Oh, and Med, perhaps you can try to explain how it is not slavery when they are being forced to work for the benefit of the last generation. Is that not what slavery is, forcing others to work for one's benefit?

Of course, the Slave-driver would try rationalizing their enslavement of others. No better than the Aristocratic plantation owners of the 19th century who probably rationalized their enslavement of others as being more beneficial for the slaves than being left wherever. You make me spew Med the Enslaver. :spew:

NoDrama · Jun 12, 2009

Med the Enslaver...wow has a nice "Dark Ages" ring to it.

Med, even the most impoverished person can afford to save a little, properly invested and over time and with a little luck even a small amount can become a large amount. I am sure you had to save for something in your life right? When I was a kid I used to sell lemonade, mow lawns, pull weeds and get old ladies groceries, then in the afternoons i went to my uncles Ranch/Farm and moved irrigation piping or picked stones out of the fields. I did this most summers from age 8 to 16, during the winters I shoveled snow, some days i didn't get done until 10 o clock at night and then it was off to bed so i could get up early enough to do my homework for school. By age 16 I had my own car that I bought with my own money, by age 29 I owned my house, by age 36 i had paid off every debt I had. I went to college, for 2 years before i realized that I wasn't being taught anything i didn't already know or couldn't teach myself. I paid for school by holding down 2 full time jobs, I did this with 4 kids and a wife who never worked a day for what they had. The most i ever made was in 2002, $57,000 lots of overtime. These last years I haven't made more than $44,000. My bank account never has more than $2,000 in it, but since I was 10 years old my grandpa got me into a small easy to do investment that ANYONE can do. I started by investing $5 a week, lately i try to put $1000 a month into it. That investment has grown to a considerable amount, Im far from a millionaire or anything, but I could lose my job for a few years and be ok. Give it another 20 years of earning and investing and it should really be worth something since 1971 it has increased in price by 2700% and it only gets better as we go on in a inflationary environment.

medicineman · Jun 13, 2009

TheBrutalTruth said:
Oh, and Med, perhaps you can try to explain how it is not slavery when they are being forced to work for the benefit of the last generation. Is that not what slavery is, forcing others to work for one's benefit?

Of course, the Slave-driver would try rationalizing their enslavement of others. No better than the Aristocratic plantation owners of the 19th century who probably rationalized their enslavement of others as being more beneficial for the slaves than being left wherever. You make me spew Med the Enslaver.

That's because you are silly. One is only enslaved as much as one feels enslaved, or refuses to change their circumstance. One can always decide to leave this country and go searching for more abundant abodes.Slavery is real for some folks, like the blacks were a few years back. You ever been enslaved ike that? I thought not. Enjoy your freedom while you can. The right wing wants to make slaves out of the working class and have damn near succeeded.

tipsgnob · Jun 13, 2009

hey med...I wonder what world these folks in. $2000 dollars a year is a lot, $5.60 a day, you guys realize thats what some folks spent on food for the whole day. have you even heard of the working poor?
social security would be fine today and nobody would be paying for any other generation if the republicans had not decided to put the SS trust fund in the general fund. remember when asl gore said it should be put ina lock box and the reukes made fun of him...and as it turns out al was right...imagine that.

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 13, 2009

tipsgnob said:
hey med...I wonder what world these folks in. $2000 dollars a year is a lot, $5.60 a day, you guys realize thats what some folks spent on food for the whole day. have you even heard of the working poor?
social security would be fine today and nobody would be paying for any other generation if the republicans had not decided to put the SS trust fund in the general fund. remember when asl gore said it should be put ina lock box and the reukes made fun of him...and as it turns out al was right...imagine that.

Strange, remember when that imbecile Johnson used it to fund his imbecilic program called Medicare. That program that he said was only going to cost $1 Billion by 1980, but instead was more near $100 Billion?

Then there's the fact that you are misreading what I'm saying. I'm saying that with out the forced Social Security Contributions a person earning $8/hr would have another $2,000 in their pocket/year.

Definitely sounds like it would ease their burdens slightly, cause that's enough to attend a community college, or like you said, feed themselves for a year.

As usual you're contribution is either senseless, confusing or partisaned in such a way as to ignore the more destructive policies of your party.

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 13, 2009

medicineman said:
That's because you are silly. One is only enslaved as much as one feels enslaved, or refuses to change their circumstance. One can always decide to leave this country and go searching for more abundant abodes.Slavery is real for some folks, like the blacks were a few years back. You ever been enslaved ike that? I thought not. Enjoy your freedom while you can. The right wing wants to make slaves out of the working class and have damn near succeeded.

What a cop out, that's not part of the question Med the Enslaver.

The question was how is the above, forcing this current generation to work for the benefit of your generation and then forcing the next generation to work for the benefit of this generation, not slavery.

It fits the definition of slavery, there is no "feeling" involved to it.

Whether a slave believes he is free or believes he is a slave does not change the facts of his enslavement.

stumps · Jun 13, 2009

Rather you feel it or not we are all slaves. The goverment is one big slave master. Back when the U.S. had black slaves. Those slaves were free to work for their master. They were punished if they did not follow the masters rules. They were cared for as the master saw fit. What is so differant now. I'm free to work as long as I pay the master. I go to jail or pay more money if I break the masters rules. Now O fucking boma wants the master to take care of the masses. But wait if you make enough money and pay the master he lets you care for your self. Why does the master think he needs to protect me. Lets take the seat belt law. I spent most of my life without the seat belt law been in my share of wrecks some I wished I wore my seat belt others was glad I didin't. But if I fail to wear my seat belt. I get to give the master $100.00 for not doing what I'm told to do. I didn't even start with the pot laws.

ViRedd · Jun 13, 2009

medicineman said:
How silly you little boys are, slavery indeed. I'd wager that none of you ever did an honest days work in your infantile lives. Many of the lower income workers barely get by on their wages, let alone have anything left for savings. Savings are for the middle income up boys and girls. Social security is for the lower income groups. In fact if you were honest, you'd reject your Social security checks when they come and live off your savings, fat chance of that happening, EH?

Man, talk about arrogance and hypocrisy!

Here we have Med-O-Mao making the claim that Social Security is "for the lower income groups," and yet, he collects his Social Security check on a monthly basis.

Med has several rental properties whereby he crushes his tenants with excessive rents, owns his own home, has expensive toys (hot rods) and takes vacations to Cabo on a regular basis, while at the same time luxuriates in the middle of the Nevada desert like Kuaiti Sultan.

Come on Med ... start living by your own principles and cancel your Social Security account. After all ... the needy need that check a lot more than you do.

Vi

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 14, 2009

ViRedd said:
Man, talk about arrogance and hypocrisy!

Here we have Med-O-Mao making the claim that Social Security is "for the lower income groups," and yet, he collects his Social Security check on a monthly basis.

Med has several rental properties whereby he crushes his tenants with excessive rents, owns his own home, has expensive toys (hot rods) and takes vacations to Cabo on a regular basis, while at the same time luxuriates in the middle of the Nevada desert like Kuaiti Sultan.

Come on Med ... start living by your own principles and cancel your Social Security account. After all ... the needy need that check a lot more than you do.

Vi

Well, that's 2 opinions, well 1.5 that it's slavery but no Med the Enslaver to answer the accusations laid down.

Must be him running scared from a tough question...

ViRedd · Jun 14, 2009

Social Security is broken. Medicare is broken. The federal government is TRILLIONS in debt due to spending more than it takes in. And yet ... folks like Med-O-Mao wants to turn over another 16% of our economy so they can run our health care. Go figure.

Vi

NoDrama · Jun 14, 2009

Thats because Med the Slaver KNOWS he isn't smarter than those washington politicians, they know whats better for him than he does.

TheBrutalTruth · Jun 15, 2009

NoDrama said:
Thats because Med the Slaver KNOWS he isn't smarter than those washington politicians, they know whats better for him than he does.

Do you ever get the feeling that if the government would stop trying to "help" you, you'd be better able to help yourself?

snowmanexpress · Jun 15, 2009

How much money in 2008, has the american people paid in IRS Taxes?

How much money in 2008 has the american people paid in State Taxes?

How much money in 2008 has the american people paid in "other taxes" like, licences, housing tax, tax tax, the 1040, w-4's, w2s and all that shit.

Whats that number?

I wonder.

Now, lets take that number, and what did they pay out in, welfare, refunds, soc security payments, retirements, roth plans or I forget the name. ANd all that.

Okay so, how much did the USA TAKE IN compared to how much PAID OUT?

Is there a number for that or is it secret? I never bothered to look really.

"The number of Americans who declared adjusted gross income of more than $1 million from 2003 to 2006 nearly doubled to 354,000 from 181,000 in a mere three years after the tax cuts."

Maybe the conspiracy theorists of 9/11 should look closer into investigating new millionaires even in this midst of decline. hahah.

I also wonder what happens to the "lost" money never claimed by the IRS.

The IRS's increased enforcement is part of the agency's effort to reduce the $345 billion tax gap - that's the estimated amount of back taxes owed but not paid.

Oh, thats all?

Oh damn wrong thread sorry lol.

medicineman · Jun 16, 2009

ViRedd said:
Man, talk about arrogance and hypocrisy!

Here we have Med-O-Mao making the claim that Social Security is "for the lower income groups," and yet, he collects his Social Security check on a monthly basis.

Med has several rental properties whereby he crushes his tenants with excessive rents, owns his own home, has expensive toys (hot rods) and takes vacations to Cabo on a regular basis, while at the same time luxuriates in the middle of the Nevada desert like Kuaiti Sultan.

Come on Med ... start living by your own principles and cancel your Social Security account. After all ... the needy need that check a lot more than you do.

Vi

Geeze, I wish Vi. It is you that live the millionaires lifestyle. I am just a po-boy, came up the hard scrabble way to a point of barely surviving. I'll be lucky to save my rentals and home in this downturn. I survive off of SS and a small pension, not much compared to you and your 3% of 2 million+ dollar home sales. You fart more money than I've ever made, But nice try trying to make me out the bad guy. It was people of your ilk that started this downturn by promoting unrealistic home values back in the 70-80s, escalating them to the pre crash values that needed an adjustment, causing all this turmoil, just so you could get rich. I hope you feel the guilt you deserve.

eelloopp · Jun 16, 2009

It was people of your ilk that started this downturn by promoting unrealistic home values back in the 70-80s, escalating them to the pre crash values that needed an adjustment, causing all this turmoil, just so you could get rich.

Med, you are truly retarded. You cant make up absurd fact to suit your agenda. The housing crisis is due to hacks like Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) and Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) who legislated corps like Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac to give loans to low income people who couldnt qualify before. This caused a huge surge in the demand for housing, driving the prices way up. Then, of course, all these low income homeowners defaulted, lost their homes and, flooded the market with repossessed houses. Prices plunged when the market was flooded with houses. Frank and Dodd had the balls to block an attempt to regulate Fanny and Freddie more when the shit started to go bad. By the way can you guess who are the biggest campaign supporters of these two hacks? The homo Frank was Banging some dude high up in Fanny for about 10 years as well.

So Med.... take your imaginary propaganda elsewhere.

medicineman · Jun 16, 2009

eelloopp said:
It was people of your ilk that started this downturn by promoting unrealistic home values back in the 70-80s, escalating them to the pre crash values that needed an adjustment, causing all this turmoil, just so you could get rich.

Med, you are truly retarded. You cant make up absurd fact to suit your agenda. The housing crisis is due to hacks like Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) and Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) who legislated corps like Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac to give loans to low income people who couldnt qualify before. This caused a huge surge in the demand for housing, driving the prices way up. Then, of course, all these low income homeowners defaulted, lost their homes and, flooded the market with repossessed houses. Prices plunged when the market was flooded with houses. Frank and Dodd had the balls to block an attempt to regulate Fanny and Freddie more when the shit started to go bad. By the way can you guess who are the biggest campaign supporters of these two hacks? The homo Frank was Banging some dude high up in Fanny for about 10 years as well.

So Med.... take your imaginary propaganda elsewhere.

I guess you know it all then. So Kudos to you. you should have been a brain surgeon. I don't claim to have all the answers but I know that a lot of realtors got way fat off the housing boom, so in retrospect, just go and fuck yourself.

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