The Best Day to Die?

curious2garden

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I'd say "chances are against". Ayahuasca seems to be more of an affectation for/of this millennium. Outside of its traditional range, anyway. I've never dared fuck with oral DMT, what with I could smoke it ... heeeeWACK.

How did free basing wellbutrin work out for you? I forget.
 

futant

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I'd say "chances are against". Ayahuasca seems to be more of an affectation for/of this millennium. Outside of its traditional range, anyway. I've never dared fuck with oral DMT, what with I could smoke it ... heeeeWACK.
It was a smoked 5 Meo DMT experience canna.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
How did free basing wellbutrin work out for you? I forget.
A bit of wear and tear on the spongy tissues, but what a ride!!
It was a smoked % Meo DMT experience canna.
Yup that way you don't need a helper drug to distract MAO.
I will say that when i smoked the DMT, I got very little by way of auditory sounds. If anything, a preternatural silence just before assigning a sense channel to the experience stopped mattering.
 

futant

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Maoi scares me Its WAAY more dangerous than DMT could ever be. Only way Id do ayuhuasca was with a real and very experienced old shamaan.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Maoi scares me Its WAAY more dangerous than DMT could ever be. Only way Id do ayuhuasca was with a real and very experienced old shamaan.
Yup. Psychedelics in general for me, and I'm coming to the realization that I'm best off leaving them behind. Too much potential of distraction from my real duties. The few times I went deep in, I received the distinct impression/message that I'd come uninvited, and that gives a mortal soul pause.

I can't imagine a more naked experience than doing a psychedelic with/around someone else. So as the song went "I drank alone".
 

futant

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MAOI isn't a psychedelic technically at least not in my opinion.
The uninvited feeling is the EGO desperately trying to hold on to your psyche, generally it is an indicator that you didn't get enough and your ego is poisoning your experience with it's fear.

Joe Rogan described a good, successful, DMT trip as something that scares the fuck out of your ego, shocks it out of your body into the trees and has it looking back at your body saying " WHAT IN THE FUCK WAS THAT!?" A good thing to do to oneself once or twice a year :)

I believe it should be a solitary experience.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
MAOI isn't a psychedelic technically at least not in my opinion.
The uninvited feeling is the EGO desperately trying to hold on to your psyche, generally it is an indicator that you didn't get enough and your ego is poisoning your experience with it's fear.

Joe Rogan described a good, successful, DMT trip as something that scares the fuck out of your ego, shocks it out of your body into the trees and has it looking back at your body saying " WHAT IN THE FUCK WAS THAT!?" A good thing to do to oneself once or twice a year :)

I believe it should be a solitary experience.
I had that feeling most strongly when I pushed a smoked DMT trip into frank ego-dissolution. I got the impression that the uninvited feeling was a response to, let's say, other energies. How correct that impression was, I can't say. I was sort of blitzed at the time. ;)
 

curious2garden

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But you're not dead? Nobody alive is! Can we rule out personal exp?
Yes we can drop that part of it and I can bring what I've learned in physics and medicine. The rushing sound is what we refer to as a modified Divers reflex. As the peripheral vasculature shuts down, in a modification left over from birth, we funnel all our blood supply to our central organs. The last to get deprived is the heart but just before that is the brain. That rushing sound is our vasculature making it's last ditch attempt at keeping the brain perfused. In neurosurgery we correlated this with changes in the EEG and EKG and the support devices available to us.

Because our brains schematize we usually translate this rushing as language especially as we age and the flow is no longer in a completely clean pipe. So that is what explains the buzzing.

Next the branes; energy and data can cross, our physics know this, but matter can not. We can't take corporeal existence with us. But all energy and data remains and goes forward.

In other words from everything I've learned over a lifetime of science and mathematics I have to say my experience matches. But you are right anecdotal experience means almost nothing. But look into the work of Raymond Moody. Look at his book about shared death experience; Glimpses of Eternity. All the 'paranormal' experiences in current literature. Essentially we simply do not know how to look objectively/scientifically at the rest of our 'natural' world. But one day physics will explain how ghosts et. al. are real etc.... We simply don't have the full physics book yet. We are still in the topology phase. But we keep getting closer when we work in a scientific manner to attempt to describe the limits of our domain.

Especially those uncomfortable and more speculative areas that science has disowned because of lack of ability to easily objectively test and shameful territoriality on the part of our white coat boys, the Ph.D. who guard the gates of what is 'real' science.

When every mathematician knows it only gets interesting at the edges of the domain. That's where you focus
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Yes we can drop that part of it and I can bring what I've learned in physics and medicine. The rushing sound is what we refer to as a modified Divers reflex. As the peripheral vasculature shuts down, in a modification left over from birth, we funnel all our blood supply to our central organs. The last to get deprived is the heart but just before that is the brain. That rushing sound is our vasculature making it's last ditch attempt at keeping the brain perfused. In neurosurgery we correlated this with changes in the EEG and EKG and the support devices available to us.

Because our brains schematize we usually translate this rushing as language especially as we age and the flow is no longer in a completely clean pipe. So that is what explains the buzzing.

Next the branes; energy and data can cross, our physics know this, but matter can not. We can't take corporeal existence with us. But all energy and data remains and goes forward.

In other words from everything I've learned over a lifetime of science and mathematics I have to say my experience matches. But you are right anecdotal experience means almost nothing. But look into the work of Raymond Moody. Look at his book about shared death experience; Glimpses of Eternity. All the 'paranormal' experiences in current literature. Essentially we simply do not know how to look objectively/scientifically at the rest of our 'natural' world. But one day physics will explain how ghosts et. al. are real etc.... We simply don't have the full physics book yet. We are still in the topology phase. But we keep getting closer when we work in a scientific manner to attempt to describe the limits of our domain.

Especially those uncomfortable and more speculative areas that science has disowned because of lack of ability to easily objectively test and shameful territoriality on the part of our white coat boys, the Ph.D. who guard the gates of what is 'real' science.

When every mathematician knows it only gets interesting at the edges of the domain. That's where you focus
Oh goodness no that never happens.
~shit-eating grin~
 

curious2garden

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You believe in life beyond death?
I believe that energy and data remain beyond our corporeal existence. Then you get into precisely the definition of life and what that might look like beyond death. I think our definition of life and sentience is extremely limited and sadly personalized as is our definition of death.
 

curious2garden

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Oh goodness no that never happens.
~shit-eating grin~
LOL yeah! I was not aware that this, squawk, flap, awk, slow down before you tear that nice coat again. Funny how they start out all white and by the end they are a bit tattered with many inexplicable stains upon them, eh? Said the girl with the broken nose from the last face plant ;D
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
LOL yeah! I was not aware that this, squawk, flap, awk, slow down before you tear that nice coat again. Funny how they start out all white and by the end they are a bit tattered with many inexplicable stains upon them, eh? Said the girl with the broken nose from the last face plant ;D
I would be careful to distinguish the inexplicable stains (few) from the ones we hesitate or just refuse to explain (many).
 

max420thc

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A FEW FACTS ABOUT YOUR MADE UP HISTORICAL FACTS

ONE -Actually the Dark Ages STARTED less than a century after the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as its Official Faith.
TWO - The Analects of Confucius, The Ancient Greek Enlightenment and many other cultural and intellectual highs preceded the Bible.

DO YU RELIGIOUS GUYS ACCEPT ANYTHING THAT AN ORDAINED MINISTER OR PRIEST TELLS YOU???
YOU CERTAINLY TRY TO GET OTHERS TO SWALLOW THE CRAP YOU BELIEVE.


NONE OF YOUR HISTORICAL FACTS WERE EVEN FACTS.

Why mention the Koran or Torah ???
On a site with so few Muslims or Jews it would feel like a Klan meeting

"Let's all talk about those rag headed Moslims - whilst they're not here to defend themselves".

YOU IDIOT CHRISTIANS ARE HERE
AND WHEN YOU TRY TO DEFEND YOURSELVES YOU ALWAYS ATTEMPT TO SOUND INFORMED
WHICH USUALLY RESULTS IN ME GETTING A REAL LAUGH OUT OF IT.

"CHRISTIANITY ENDED THE DARK AGES"....!!!
Read a history book and educate yourself to the reality of the situation
Not the supernatural dream.
Literacy and the Church
After the fall of the Roman Empire certain regions, namely Italy itself, southern France and Spain, retained a tradition of literacy in government, commerce, law and religion. Further north across Germany and France to England the mobile barbarian peoples who gained supremacy were both pagan and illiterate. Those two words can have a negative connotation, but in an absence of emotive association they simply mean they were not Christian and they had other ways of conducting their affairs or entertaining themselves than through the written word.
The Roman temple at Nimes, in southern France, survived along with many other Roman physical remains and aspects of Roman culture.
Literate culture was reintroduced along with the Christian religion through the establishment of monastic missions across northwestern Europe. These efforts came from different directions, which affected the nature of literate culture and writing. Efforts from Rome itself had resulted in the baptism of the Merovingian king Clovis, a symbolically significant event in the triumph of religious orthodoxy in the face of competition from the Arian heresy, and the establishment of bishoprics across France and into Kent.
This ancient crypt beneath the former Benedictine abbey church at Dijon dates from Merovingian times.
In the 7th and 8th centuries a missionising push came from the other direction. The survival of Romano-British Christianity is a bit obscure, but the early development of a centre of missionising Christianity in Ireland, spreading across to northern England, resulted in the establishment of monasteries of Irish and Anglo-Saxon foundation across France and Germany to Italy and Switzerland. You can believe that this was due to the efforts of inspired individuals called Patrick, Columba, Willibrord, Boniface and the others if you wish. Barbarian culture valued feats of heroic individualism and the church was very adaptable. The monasteries founded in these efforts became centres of book production and literate culture.
This map shows the routes of missions of the 7th and 8th centuries, while this map shows the major book production centres of the 8th to 10th centuries.
The evidence for survival of literate culture from Roman times is slight and enigmatic. Germanic cultures, including those of Scandinavia which were never under Roman rule, had the system of writing called runes. Despite all the New Age spiritualism associated with them these days, they were a form of the Roman alphabet, with different letter forms. Runic writing is mainly known from inscriptions on stone and does not appear to represent literate workings of culture in a broader sense.
One of the famous runestones in the churchyard at Jelling in Denmark. (Photograph by Kaj Rasmussen)
Just to show that nothing is simple Det Arnamagnæanske Institut illustrates the Codex Runicus (AM 28 8vo), a Danish law text of c.1300 written entirely in runes. By this date, of course, culture may be being reinvented.
Runes were themselves brought into the service of the new Christian culture. Their use on monuments such as the large crosses which triumphantly proclaimed the conversion to Christianity in the north of England brought them into the domain of the new literate dispensation.
A very worn Runic inscription can be partially made out along the edges of the vine scroll on the Ruthwell Cross in southern Scotland. The words derive from an Anglo-Saxon religious poem.
The Celtic peoples also had a special script used only for inscriptions on stone, called ogham. It looks nothing like the Roman alphabet, being composed of a series of long and short strokes which were carved along the edges of monumental stones; a sort of Morse code of the Roman alphabet. The inscriptions are read around the inscribed edge.
See Sharkey 1975 for a quick grab at it, and peruse the Thesaurus Indogermanischer Text und Sprachmaterialen Ogam-Inschriften website if you want to really get into it. Some articles on ogham stones are to be found in the blog Babelstone.
It is very easy and trite to say that the church brought a whole concept of literate culture back to the barbarian regions of Europe, but can we understand just what the term literacy meant to these early churchmen and how it may have changed over the course of the middle ages?
The Concept of Literacy
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theexpress

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the best way to die for me is from old age in your bed while you are sleeping... peacefully and after a long life...
 

max420thc

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North of England..if you paid for your education if i were you id ask for my money back.
Maybe if you would have taken that logic course at school..HAHAHAHA..
Everyone knows that the only book available to learn to read from way way back when.Was mostly the bible.found at all the local church's.
There were no public schools.
Maybe if you were to do your own google search you would have found this information and tons more like it.Before you told me how educated you supposedly are and then open your mouth and make a fool of yourself.How much did you pay for that worthless history degree?
Oh and any fool knows there were other ancient society's that could read and write..it didnt get very far around the world did it,or we would be using it instead wouldnt we?
Freakin morons with a degree to prove it.The only thing that degree proves is you are a moron and paid someone to tell you that you are smart.
 

chewberto

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I believe that energy and data remain beyond our corporeal existence. Then you get into precisely the definition of life and what that might look like beyond death. I think our definition of life and sentience is extremely limited and sadly personalized as is our definition of death.
Our energy is left post Mortem? Data? as in RIU posts left forever in time?
 

Red1966

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I hate to say it but it wasn't religion that brought us out,it was science.... The cure for the plague... Running around praying for god to save us from the plague got a lot of people killed... And it was folks branded Heretics for not believing that kept science from finding a cure for it for so LNG to begin with...... To claim that It brought us out of the dark ages when most everyone was forced to believe or face torture and the wrath of believers is placing to great a roll on the effect religion had on the advancement out of the dark ages. in MY opinion. =)
I don't think they found a cure for plague. At least not in the dark ages. It killed off a third of the population, the rest had some resistance to it. Or managed to avoid exposure.
 
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