The 12-12 From Seed Thread

[lazypop]

Okay first off I'd like to thank Del for this thread! Man you kick ass and have shown us a real nice way to grow!

As for me I've never grown before and I'm frankly tired of paying for weed that's not as potent as it's supposed to be.

I currently have 2 plants growing indoors with a 100 watts of LED. They aren't honestly doing that bad. 1 has 9 nodes so far. Both vegged for 3 weeks under 24/0. Hence I won't be considering that for this thread.

My second parallel grow which I'd like to do is an outdoor terrace grow once monsoon ends in about 15 days. I'll most likely get about 12/13 hours of that huge light bulb in the sky throwing free KiloWatts at us everyday.

I do need all the help I can get though, because I'd like to do this right and stock some ganja for a few months. Here's what I'll be doing...please be as honest about my expectations so I can be more realistic in my approach.

1) Small pots ranging from 1l to 5l to keep the plants short. 6 plants max. No training them so I can get single cola plants.
2) I got NPK nutes which are not organic but Amazon reviews show they're good for many who are growing tomatoes and roses.
3) Coco coir instead of soil which I have used for the indoor grow.
4) No Pesticides yet. Is Neem oil enough? What about rats? They don't seem to be a problem on the terrace but I'd like to be precautious. Don't want to kill them, just repel them.
5) I'm not going to be moving plants at night since there will be no light except moonlight. I'm not to paranoid about that.
6) I'd honestly be happy getting an Oz from each plant. My country doesn't have Medical yet so 6 Oz should last me quiet a while. Would I be able to hit that mark?
7) any suggestions or things you'd like me to try?

Thanks if anyone read this whole saga and replies back!

 

[lazypop]

Okay, so 2 of the 7 seeds I germinated have sprouted. They're currently potted in 1l pots indoors under artificial lights.

I've decided to make a small cage for the plants which will be 2x2 sqft wide and 4' in height for the outdoor terrace 12/12. This should keep it safe from rats and birds. About to get some Neem oil for protection.

I'm not sure if I can wait for the monsoon to end lol. Even 15 days is too much of a wait. Seems like a waste of sunlight. rains are fairly low in intensity and dont last more than a few minutes as of now. the sun will be out for about 12 and a half hours a day. At least 8-10 hours of direct sunlight.

Happened to do a bit of research where a lot of people have claimed rain water is great in pH and Nitrogen. I've just watered my plants with bloom and micro nutes.

What do you guys think?should I move the already vegged plants outdoor and wait a couple weeks before I put the newbies outside? Once the seedling stage is completed?

Any thoughts on how to keep the plants around 3' to 4' tall only, Preferably smaller?

 

[Deadhead13]

I’m interested although I’m not fully sure of what you have going on. You are growing outside?

 

[GreenButch]

Wow, som great buds you got there man! Where do you buy your seeds?

 

[SamWE19]

How much space do you generally give each 12-12 from seed plant? Is it 1sqft?

 

[Opie1971]

Okay first off I'd like to thank Del for this thread! Man you kick ass and have shown us a real nice way to grow!

As for me I've never grown before and I'm frankly tired of paying for weed that's not as potent as it's supposed to be.

I currently have 2 plants growing indoors with a 100 watts of LED. They aren't honestly doing that bad. 1 has 9 nodes so far. Both vegged for 3 weeks under 24/0. Hence I won't be considering that for this thread.

My second parallel grow which I'd like to do is an outdoor terrace grow once monsoon ends in about 15 days. I'll most likely get about 12/13 hours of that huge light bulb in the sky throwing free KiloWatts at us everyday.

I do need all the help I can get though, because I'd like to do this right and stock some ganja for a few months. Here's what I'll be doing...please be as honest about my expectations so I can be more realistic in my approach.

1) Small pots ranging from 1l to 5l to keep the plants short. 6 plants max. No training them so I can get single cola plants.
2) I got NPK nutes which are not organic but Amazon reviews show they're good for many who are growing tomatoes and roses.
3) Coco coir instead of soil which I have used for the indoor grow.
4) No Pesticides yet. Is Neem oil enough? What about rats? They don't seem to be a problem on the terrace but I'd like to be precautious. Don't want to kill them, just repel them.
5) I'm not going to be moving plants at night since there will be no light except moonlight. I'm not to paranoid about that.
6) I'd honestly be happy getting an Oz from each plant. My country doesn't have Medical yet so 6 Oz should last me quiet a while. Would I be able to hit that mark?
7) any suggestions or things you'd like me to try?

Thanks if anyone read this whole saga and replies back!

I’m not sure about your nutrients, but I would advise that you don’t use the manufacturer’s recommendations on the amount you use, I would stick to 1/2 of what they suggest, and maybe work your way up, IF, it looks like your plants are needing something. If you have a problem, just post pics, somebody here WILL help you out.
Heck, don’t wait until you have problems, post them anytime, we all like looking at pics.
1oz is doable in 5l pots, but I’d go with something bigger, like 2gal min. that way you won’t have plants that get rootbound, and any problem you have will be easier to correct with more medium. Good luck brother, and post those pics!

 

[Opie1971]

What do you guys think?should I move the already vegged plants outdoor and wait a couple weeks before I put the newbies outside? Once the seedling stage is completed?

Any thoughts on how to keep the plants around 3' to 4' tall only, Preferably smaller?

If your wanting to keep your plants short, go ahead and put the bigger ones outside, they’ll at least double in size since they weren’t started under 12/12. You shouldn’t have a problem keeping them under 3 to 4ft.

 

[Opie1971]

How much space do you generally give each 12-12 from seed plant? Is it 1sqft?

Yeah, usually a sq foot, but if you have clones or a strain that’ll produce a single main cola, you can pack them in tighter, ie. sog (Sea of Green).

 

[lazypop]

I’m interested although I’m not fully sure of what you have going on. You are growing outside?

Yup! I'll be growing outside since I'm situated just above the equator. Its going to be 12/12 from September to February so thought I might as well make the most of it.

Do let me know what more info you'll need?

I have about 20 seeds which I can plant so I can experiment quiet a bit.

 

[lazypop]

I’m not sure about your nutrients, but I would advise that you don’t use the manufacturer’s recommendations on the amount you use, I would stick to 1/2 of what they suggest, and maybe work your way up, IF, it looks like your plants are needing something. If you have a problem, just post pics, somebody here WILL help you out.
Heck, don’t wait until you have problems, post them anytime, we all like looking at pics.
1oz is doable in 5l pots, but I’d go with something bigger, like 2gal min. that way you won’t have plants that get rootbound, and any problem you have will be easier to correct with more medium. Good luck brother, and post those pics!

Sure mate I have a few pics of those seedlings I'll post in a bit. I have NPK generic nutes. Will post a snap of that too.

Quick question about the 2 gallon pots. Won't it get wayyyy too big? I also live next to a forest, do you think I should just grow there? My aim was to have like 10 plants about 2-3' high. Im okay with getting a slightly lower yield for the first grow outside. I'm just learning and experimenting.

I have an indoor grow going on with some awesome soil/manure mix(I didn't have to feed it for like 4 weeks!), and honestly while soil makes feeding the plants a little simpler I just think Coco would allow me better control.

Thanks for taking the time to reply Opie and deadhead.

Pics coming soon.

 

[Opie1971]

Sure mate I have a few pics of those seedlings I'll post in a bit. I have NPK generic nutes. Will post a snap of that too.

Quick question about the 2 gallon pots. Won't it get wayyyy too big? I also live next to a forest, do you think I should just grow there? My aim was to have like 10 plants about 2-3' high. Im okay with getting a slightly lower yield for the first grow outside. I'm just learning and experimenting.

I have an indoor grow going on with some awesome soil/manure mix(I didn't have to feed it for like 4 weeks!), and honestly while soil makes feeding the plants a little simpler I just think Coco would allow me better control.

Thanks for taking the time to reply Opie and deadhead.

Pics coming soon.

If I were you, I’d keep them inside in solo cups for at least 4 weeks, letting them grow 4, 5, maybe 6 sets of internodes, and top them when you transplant into their final pot, then put them outside. If it’s legal where you live and if you can, you’d be better off growing them as close to home as possible.

 

[lazypop]

A few pics...

Th seedlings have been under indoor lights for about 2 days(12-12) the bigger plants are about a month old, off which 3 weeks were vegged for 24/0...both are just over a foot tall.

I've stripped some lower leaves as they were dwindling and thought the energy used by them could be used by the top leaves. No training done. I honestly am a big fan of the untrained plant. But will be training some of the outdoor plants when the grow big enough.

It was raining today so it's a good thing I didn't put them outside.

 

[lazypop]

If I were you, I’d keep them inside in solo cups for at least 4 weeks, letting them grow 4, 5, maybe 6 sets of internodes, and top them when you transplant into their final pot, then put them outside. If it’s legal where you live and if you can, you’d be better off growing them as close to home as possible.

Oh yes! Since it's going to be Coco grow I'll need them to be close enough. bigger plants are in a 3 liter pot each. The smaller ones are in a 1l pot. The rest of the seeds I want to place them in 2l plastic bottles and place them strategically in the forest behind me house. That an okay size to begin?

 

[Opie1971]

Oh yes! Since it's going to be Coco grow I'll need them to be close enough. bigger plants are in a 3 liter pot each. The smaller ones are in a 1l pot. The rest of the seeds I want to place them in 2l plastic bottles and place them strategically in the forest behind me house. That an okay size to begin?

What kind of light(s) do you have over them?

 

[lazypop]

They're True 100W LED lights not the Chinese brands. I can get my hands on more but honestly just saving for 1000w bestva or kingled from AliExpress. It's expensive in the land of tigers when currency conversion takes place.

They're shitty I know. But they helped grow like 9 nodes. Which is one of the reasons I want to move to Outdoor grow. Thoughts? Be brutal it's fine with me mate!

 

[Opie1971]

They're True 100W LED lights not the Chinese brands. I can get my hands on more but honestly just saving for 1000w bestva or kingled from AliExpress. It's expensive in the land of tigers when currency conversion takes place.

They're shitty I know. But they helped grow like 9 nodes. Which is one of the reasons I want to move to Outdoor grow. Thoughts? Be brutal it's fine with me mate!

Check with HLG-Horticulture Lighting Group

 

[lazypop]

Check with HLG-Horticulture Lighting Group

Will check them out for sure. Thanks!

 

[SamWE19]

I noticed del says a few times he has experienced first pistils at 2 weeks ... HOW??

I’m at 8 days since germination and they are only just starting their second set of leaves after the cotyledons..

 

[Big Green Thumb]

Here we have 4 Doc Holidays and 2 Jelly Pies. I originally started 2 JP and 2 DH, but the 2 dh didn't germinate. The 2 JP were above ground within 48 hours. Next I started 5 more DH and 4 of those sprouted as they should. The DH have had the lowest germination rate of any GPS strain I have grown (4 out of 7). Also one of the JP plants is pretty mutated and looks like cabbage. I will grow it for a while to see if it gets any better. The other JP looks great.



Now on to the grow. I started the seeds on rock wool, then put the rock wool into my tote that has nutrient solution with an ultrasonic fogger floating inside. I also have a couple air stones in the water so when the roots reached the water it will be hydroponic. You could say this is a hybrid hydro-fog-ponic grow.

These will be grown in a small 2x3 cabinet using all the females of these 6 plants. Lighting is a Timber quantum board fixture running up to 285 watts (I think that was the max when I tested it). Nutrients will be the faithful Jacks 321.

 

[Big Green Thumb]

Wow, this isn't the thread I thought I was in, but these are growing 12-12, so this thread works fine! Going to post this in the GPS thread, too...