The 12-12 From Seed Thread

Gbuddy

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You are 100% right on this. It still blows my mind how much what use to be the respected norm has flipped nowadays. The saddest part is somehow people actually think it is better cannabis.
I can assure anyone the thousands of Afghani seeds I got from a married hippy couple from Vermont I guided salmon fishing back in 94-95, is as good or better then any indica available commercially nowadays. 23 years later and I still get 70% germ rate every time I test some.
The only ones who bitch about the 90s strains are those who are too young to of known them. If there isn't commercial marketing hype how can they possibly be good? hahaha
Cheers :)
Word. This is the shit I have been talking about for years. The best cannabis is in some small growers basement or backyard. There are a lot of breeders who have very strong genetics but like you said, most dont take the time to work with them and stabilize them. I still buy seeds from breeders, but i totally agree with you.
It sounds like I found my Soulmates!

Yes I sometime order too.
Just trying to get basic building blocks.But only if its not available from a buddy from around the globe.
But most of the time if not always I am disapointed with.what I bought from breeders.
You buy orange skunk and its just skunk no orange taste but orange hairs. Quality is just standard and you pay the big $$$ for the shit.
Not useable for any serious matings.
Would prefere any hippie seed before sold seeds.

I like to meet the people talk to the people who worked their ass of getting all done right and serious to get the resulting seeds. This Fellas aint famous but that shit is real!
You soon know what they do and most of the time you find out about their great attitude and plan.
And there is so much love and karma involved.
Standards were set to crazy levels in private gardens, borders were ignored laws were questioned just for that seeds and to spread em around the globe. Thats good karma for me.


Was forced due to total prohibition to supply myself and buddies with seeds that I produced myself....they also illegaliced seeds over here in the mid 90's.
So I got pretty much an idea about what happens when I do this or that.
Had no clue about cloning.
Only had a halfway god growbook and no internet back then.
And I can tell that most stuff you buy dont matter what brand, you could do yourself at home or better with a bit of luck.
If you have time and a bit of space for some selecting, and just a simple 100watt 24-7 box to keep clones you even can do better at home.

There is another thing about all the yearly hypes.
The more Seeds you send out the higher the chance that someone finds a elite keeper and reports it online. BAM there it starts.
Now imsgine you and two friends test you homemade beans.
Now imagine a testgrower network with a couple hundred members who testgrow your beans.
I guess its clear who has the better chance for a hype.

I would always go for a well worked line with a high ratio of great individuals from a brothers garden than buying those hyped multicrosses you need 100 beans to find a halfway good individium.

Breeders pop up on every corner good strains not.
If they are honest they agree with me.
Its still backyard hack jobs what we do any of us if micro breeder established breeder hobby breeder.
Untill mj isnt fully decriminalized and legalized without regulations we will all be limited by numbers.
As long as we cant say "...lets grow a hundre acres of trees from that seed and select a queen..." we all are just playing around.
Some with more luck some with less.
Some will just have the better marketing skills. Some will have enough money to blow into advertisement. That will not mean that they have any good genetics.
Money, the right location and Connections are worth more for marketing than any genetics.
Just look how easy it is to judge the winning strains at high times cup before it even started.

And when you hear breeders selling seed by the kilo be suspicious its outsorced work results then.
Giving a guy a bunch of female clonrs and when they ready the grower gets a pollentube and Trara you have your kilo of seeds.
Because nobody can grow enough.plants legally on this planet to produce this amounts as a breeder.
Except Uruguay maybe.

Peace Bro
 
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SweetestCheeba

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Quick question folks, I’m 5 weeks in and I want to add more light. Would it be best to just add another hps/mh or supplemental lighting like cfls or LEDs?
I currently have three girls under a 250w hps in a 2x2 space.
 

Gbuddy

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Quick question folks, I’m 5 weeks in and I want to add more light. Would it be best to just add another hps/mh or supplemental lighting like cfls or LEDs?
I currently have three girls under a 250w hps in a 2x2 space.
I am a hps man in flower.
If you can handle the heat I would add a second lamp or replace it with a dimmable bigger one.
So you have room to play.
They sell dimmable digital ballasts now that dont need to be dimmed in steps like 350 450 600 660 you can freely dim the new ones without steps.
Dunno how to describe it better in english Bro.

Edit
I could think of using the led's and cfl's as additional sidelighting if possible.
Buds swell nicely when there is light around them.

Peace
 

Gbuddy

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Subbed. Just to add something to the thread, here is a hibernate 16oz cup plant I grew for the contest. It was 12-12 from seed grown in coco using Jacks pro, cal nit, Epsom salt, and mkp. View attachment 4181198 Grown in my custom birdcage led light.

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Final yield was 27 grams of rock hard bud.
I loved to follow the cup grow contest in the past. What a nice game!

And you won my "Gbuddy's creativity award 2018"
100 points plus extra certification.
I LOVE THAT BIRDCAGE THING.
Great Job!
Vertical light is a absolute plus.
Look at those nugs!
What was the total wattage on the led lights?

Keep up your enthusiastic work!

Peace
 

Big Green Thumb

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I loved to follow the cup grow contest in the past. What a nice game!

And you won my "Gbuddy's creativity award 2018"
100 points plus extra certification.
I LOVE THAT BIRDCAGE THING.
Great Job!
Vertical light is a absolute plus.
Look at those nugs!
What was the total wattage on the led lights?

Keep up your enthusiastic work!

Peace
IIRC, I was running it around 70 watts. It is adjustable from basically 1 watt to around 120. The power supply I am using is capable of about 400 watts, but the strips have no heatsinks at all so I am not pushing the wattage limits.

Yeah, and the all around lighting is kind of my thing. This is 4 plants in a 5x5 (plus a sister of the contest plant in the foreground - single cola plant in a white cup).
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I am just looking for guidance on other growing ideas here. 12/12 from seed has a lot of possibilities but I have a plant limit of 6, so I am thinking it may not be the best route for me.
 

Gbuddy

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IIRC, I was running it around 70 watts. It is adjustable from basically 1 watt to around 120. The power supply I am using is capable of about 400 watts, but the strips have no heatsinks at all so I am not pushing the wattage limits.

Yeah, and the all around lighting is kind of my thing. This is 4 plants in a 5x5 (plus a sister of the contest plant in the foreground - single cola plant in a white cup).
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I am just looking for guidance on other growing ideas here. 12/12 from seed has a lot of possibilities but I have a plant limit of 6, so I am thinking it may not be the best route for me.
you are definitly my candidate Dude!
regulations lol
....but
I know two ways how to yield big time with a low plantcount .... a oldschool way, and a new school way.
1.what space can you use for flowering plants?room?tent? room would be nice.
2.lets talk about how many watts maximum of light can you run/pay in total?
3.can you handle the heat of the possible lights (transport it outside the room).

pm when ever you want. guess I know one or two members to help ya out.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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I grow medium bushes and am going back to 12/12 from seed. I keep in plant count and usable meds on hand regulations by staggering my grow and harvesting 1 plant at a time. When one starts to ripen I plant a new seed.

Goes like this perpetually for constant supply of different flowers for variety.

Here is a recent pic.

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I use feminized seeds to not waste plant count.
 

Gbuddy

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I grow medium bushes and am going back to 12/12 from seed. I keep in plant count and usable meds on hand regulations by staggering my grow and harvesting 1 plant at a time. When one starts to ripen I plant a new seed.

Goes like this perpetually for constant supply of different flowers for variety.

Here is a recent pic.

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I use feminized seeds to not waste plant count.
hey that looks verry sweet Bro!
and verry healthy looking happy plants
!
cool!!!
 

Gbuddy

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The plants (15 in total) outgrew the tent (2x3) and 65w quantum board this week lol, so ordered a larger tent and quantum board. Should be set up on Friday but few shots from yesterday,

Hibernate
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High Frequency #5
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Pioneer Kush #5
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Dirty Glue
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Cowboy Cookies
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Tropical Lassi
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Ahhhh more space is good.
so you buy a new board eh? so the old one is unused right?
popping up to mind.....you could use the old one as a side light and turn the plant every couple of days or dayly.
sidelights adds more horizontal swelling to the budstructure. thicker buds!

and btw. your plants als look fucking healthy! and nice tricome profile!
 

numberfour

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Ahhhh more space is good.
so you buy a new board eh? so the old one is unused right?
popping up to mind.....you could use the old one as a side light and turn the plant every couple of days or dayly.
sidelights adds more horizontal swelling to the budstructure. thicker buds!

and btw. your plants als look fucking healthy! and nice tricome profile!
Yeah its great although the new tent has the same floor space its taller by around 40cm which allows a little headroom between plant, boards and carbon filter. Sounds like nothing and it is really but it will make a huge difference. I had to bend over half the plants this run, I pack as many plants in as I can so horizontal flowering is a no no for me.

New board will dim from 135w down to around 60w, I've found these boards work best dimmed in my environment so I'll probably try run both for a while and see how it goes lol.

I like the way you think. Last week I added a 26w red TLED, penetration is weak as hell but and it only covers a couple of tops of the plants but its made up of 45% 3000k 45% 2100k 10% infared 3000lu. Interested to see what effect this will have.

Thanks, yeah they're doing great so far.
 
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