The 12-12 From Seed Thread

[hsfkush]

I think clones would flower almost immediately that way. You'd end up with much smaller plants. Some do it for a sea of green though, and I think it can work great. With a seed on 12/12, they still veg for awhile before they're sexually mature enough to flower. A SOG is more risky though. More plants = more risk. Size doesn't seem to matter as much as quantity of plants. I'm only allowed 6 flowering plants.

Only? I'm not allowed any Lol.

 

[hsfkush]

Sometimes I get a claw here and there. I've never admitted to having a deficiency, if anything it's probably an excess of something in my case. I run stuff pretty hot most the time.

I tend to always get claw on sativa dominant strains, I had it with C99, some sativa bagseed and now with my sativa pheno Lemon Kush. It's frustrating because I thought it was cal/mag def so I feed it and it stays the same lol. So perhaps heat stress?

 

[Dwezelitsame]

I think clones would flower almost immediately

i would agree
specially if taken from matured mom

 

[lowblower]

I tend to always get claw on sativa dominant strains, I had it with C99, some sativa bagseed and now with my sativa pheno Lemon Kush. It's frustrating because I thought it was cal/mag def so I feed it and it stays the same lol. So perhaps heat stress?

I heard it has something to do with pH, but I don't think its a big deal. I normally get it at least once a grow but it can just disappear all of a sudden too

 

[lowblower]

^ I think thats just reflection from the lights!

 

[nameno]

Does anyone defoliate?
If so how much & when?

 

[lowblower]

Does anyone defoliate?
If so how much & when?

Not much, I think the fan leaves might help in the plants thermoregulation. I only get rid of large fan leaves that are directly blocking a bud underneath (the bud has to be sufficiently developed so that it can really use its own leaves to take in the light, either equal to or better than the one just clipped). Ive noticed before though with my ultra lemon haze, that buds sitting directly under fan leaves can also become just as fat and sticky as any other. So I guess it depends on what you want. But any leaf, will turn light into food, and that food is transported round the plant. So I guess there really is not much point unless you reaaaaally need to improve air circulation, or you think that a bud underneath might benefit from some direct light. But I don't think its necessary. I clip leaves when I spontaneouslly think that It will benefit the bud underneath....but then I still have no idea if it did or not.

 

[hsfkush]

Does anyone defoliate?
If so how much & when?

I defoliated my entire plant once, I advise not doing it lol. I left all the sugar leaves etc, just got rid of the giant fan leaves.

 

[Youknowwhoiam]

Does anyone defoliate?
If so how much & when?

Only remove them of your lolipoping or running a scrog, I lst my large fan leafs, yeh LST.

I'll upload a pic tomorrow, all I do is bend the 2 adjacent stems down and tie a loose loop with wool. The reason I use wool is because it still has elasticity unlike string wire or twine, so it doesn't cause too much stress and there's still a little movement so the large feeders can stay in place.

 

[zVice]

Usually tuck large fan leaves back like ykwiam
however do sometimes trim some lower branches, the skinny weak ones, around 3-4 weeks in.

 

[GreenSanta]

why cutting light collecting devices? i do it only for the popcorn buds and for airflow sometimes. i think the best is to do it all at once 10 days after they showed sex then leave em alone. from my experience.

 

[supchaka]

Defoliation can be useful if you have a lot of plants crammed together. Which is the only time I do it.

 

[hsfkush]

Only remove them of your lolipoping or running a scrog, I lst my large fan leafs, yeh LST.

I'll upload a pic tomorrow, all I do is bend the 2 adjacent stems down and tie a loose loop with wool. The reason I use wool is because it still has elasticity unlike string wire or twine, so it doesn't cause too much stress and there's still a little movement so the large feeders can stay in place.

Would you say lollipoping would be beneficial for CFL's? Given their limited penetration it seems logical.
Is it good to use in 12/12 from seed, if so, what stage of growth would you is best to start and finish lollipoping?

Sorry for the mass of questions, it just saves me a little effort in searching which I usually do, but I'm sick so I don't have the patience for it lol.

 

[B166ER420]

Hey 12/12'rs its been awhile and a couple runs since i last posted,just thought i'd share a couple pics from my 12/12fs grow.This grow is MIRACLE GROW 3 month feed,i just added perlite and a little composted cow manure,so far just plain water.They’ve been flowering for 3-4 weeks


THANKS!! to all the veteran regulars on this thread(u know who u r).You guys keep up the great grows,yields,info...GL.peace

 

[omar924]

I think clones would flower almost immediately that way. You'd end up with much smaller plants. Some do it for a sea of green though, and I think it can work great. With a seed on 12/12, they still veg for awhile before they're sexually mature enough to flower. A SOG is more risky though. More plants = more risk. Size doesn't seem to matter as much as quantity of plants. I'm only allowed 6 flowering plants.

Yeah Im trying to do a SOG perpetual grow. would I be able to pack my tent with 1 gallon grow containers if i did 12/12 from seed?
Another thing. Do you guys make your own seedS?

 

[supchaka]

Yeah Im trying to do a SOG perpetual grow. would I be able to pack my tent with 1 gallon grow containers if i did 12/12 from seed?
Another thing. Do you guys make your own seedS?

You really need to have your own seed stock to do any significant amount of 12/12 from seed, or alot of money to throw around.

 

[Youknowwhoiam]

Would you say lollipoping would be beneficial for CFL's? Given their limited penetration it seems logical.
Is it good to use in 12/12 from seed, if so, what stage of growth would you is best to start and finish lollipoping?

Sorry for the mass of questions, it just saves me a little effort in searching which I usually do, but I'm sick so I don't have the patience for it lol.

That`s cool, when I used to lolipop I`d remove the bottom 3rd of the plant before it flowered, although I`m not sure if its benificial during 12/12 FS as there no or little recovery time.
In past grows using the big 125w cfls I`d just lst the main stem and keep the canopy as even as possible for a better foot print.

EDIT**** Where`s SV these days ??? Where are you mate any news ???

 

[supchaka]

I like making the dry ice so I can't remove that lower goodness. If you look at my grow now you can see how I take a lot of the main fan leaves off so the colas are kind of alone then all that bottom shit just intermingles into a fat light absorbing canopy.

 

[supchaka]

The old peacock going to go for 9 weeks for the first time. Some people say its the best they've ever had and some people haven't tried it yet kiss-asslol well at least this grow anyway. Still hermie free and 3 weeks to go. I haven't gave nutes in about a week already. Tuesday will start avalanche and molasses for 4 days then back to water to finish out.

 

[nameno]

I like making the dry ice so I can't remove that lower goodness. If you look at my grow now you can see how I take a lot of the main fan leaves off so the colas are kind of alone then all that bottom shit just intermingles into a fat light absorbing canopy.[/



Thanks supchaka,that's the question I been wanting to ask since I was looking @ the picture you posted. I think I ask about defoliate or something. But thanks for reading my mind that's exactly what I wanted to know. That's a good looking grow you got going.



Edit: Just found this site looks good http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial