THC % Does Not Measure The High

Doer

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you are getting defensive over nothing...
and bro you have 11,000+ post

Sorry no offense to you Doer just hear people out and be open minded
we are all here to learn
My post count means nothing my friend as I am not bragging about myself and say everyone one should know who I am "by now."

But my long career as an actual computer scientist means I can smell the virtual, ego driven bs from here

I know all about the petty forum tyrants on RIU

So just step back if regulating chumps bugs you :) I just do that.
 
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Doer

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This is not about me, but about you taking offense at something directed at someone else.

I was business traveling for a few days. :)
 

Texas(THC)

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no I was commenting on something said to another person
I took no offense from the statement

I was following the thread and saw you called out someone's post number than noticed you had way more
I just thought it was kind of funny
didn't mean anything by it was just trying to get the discussion back on track

haha and a few days..?
I posted that in March

sorry anyways, don't be mad at me
:peace:
 
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Choo

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All I know is that for many of us it is the differences that make the cannabis experience so unique. If Cannabis only supplied one kind of experience at a given level then I truly believe that many of us would not be so intrigued and drawn to it. It's like beer, one kind does not suit all tastes. God saw fit when creating Cannabis to give it, and all plants for that matter, an ability to morph and adapt to various conditions. (Sorry if that offends any atheists here but it's my belief not yours). He also gave man an intelligence that caused him to want to alter things and plants were altered through breeding for specific traits and I for one am thankful for that. I have the kind of Cannabis today that suits my needs because of the work of breeders and I thank God for the differences. My arthritis diminishes in it's effects on me when I use it and that's what matters most. For me it's Sativa that does it, and I found a strain that closely resembles the Oaxaca type we used to get back in the late 60's and early 70's that works real well. It is not debilitating like Indicas tend to be so I can function yet it relieves the pain in the joints, or more accurately diverts attention away from the pain.
 
I know people stand on polar opposite beliefs here. Personally I think the effect of Marijuana varies and different strains do have specific qualities we are drawn to for whatever reason we choose to medicate. We want the high that feels the best. If a strain is too high in THC and not well balanced it's potent without the effect. The opposite is true if it's too low in THC there is a minor effect but it's not potent you wont feel like it really hit you... I want to be knocked on my ass.
 

Skylor

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I want to feel good but that doesn't always mean I want to be knocked on my ass. I tend to enjoy Sativa later at night and Indicas during the day. Opposite of many people,

Sativa can bring on headaches later in the day and get me too spacey. Indicas let my body feel good yet my head feels more clear .

Sleep is a big deal, one needs to get enough sleep each night, that doesn't not mean a set amount of sleep but all the sleep the body wants each night. As I grown older, I need more sleep. I used to get by on 4 to 6 hours of sleep in my 20-30's, now I need 6-7 hours most nights

I used to be able to fall asleep for a couple of hours and wake up and stay awake for 1--2 hours while getting high, then fall back to sleep. Now I wake up during the night but am too sleepy to stay awake.

I try to do what my body wants to do. Its not always possible.

I never drink booze cause I then need more sleep which I don't have the time for--pills are another no no. Booze and or pills might feel good at first but in the long run they drag your body down, IMO
 
Okay my question in regards to the THC CBD phenomenon is as follows, where do I find a resource regarding known effects of THC high strain vs. CBD high strains topically and ingested specifically? Does that make sense? Does that resource exist? Obviously a nube here...

(Also I think legal states should offer up grants to those of interested in studying this topic, shall I write a congressperson?)
 
I watched the video and saw nothing to support any reason for you to "question the reasoning behind the commonly held notion that Sativas are always energetic and Indicas are sleepers."

It has long been known that cannabinoids work in conjunction with each other, as do some terpinoids. Some work to enhance the effects of THC and others work against the effects of THC. None on their own will produce a good high.

Cannabidiol is nonpsychoactive and was initially thought to have no effect on the psycho activity of THC. More recent evidence however shows that smokers of cannabis are less likely to experience schizophrenia-like symptoms if there is a higher CBD to THC ratio. Experiments show that participants experienced less intense psychotic effects when intravenous THC was co-administered with CBD. It has been hypothesized that CBD acts as an allosteric antagonist at the CB1 receptor and thus alters the psychoactive effects of THC, resulting in a more easily manageable high.

That is what was seen in the video, what the researcher was testing for.

CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor, meaning that its effect is mostly in the body and not so much in the head. CBD shares a precursor with THC and is the main cannabinoid in low-THC cannabis strains like hemp.

Landrace strains, usually of indica heritage, contain higher concentrations of CBD than recreational drug strains, which are usually bred towards a higher concentration of THC. This is the reason why strains containing high ratios of CBD can be difficult to find.

Tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC), is the primary psychoactive component found in the cannabis plant. It was first isolated by Raphael Mechoulam, Yechiel Gaoni, and Habib Edery from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel, in 1964.

This is the main compound that gives rise to the high that is tightly linked with the cannabis plant. It affects several areas of the brain simultaneously and can therefore give rise to an assortment of experiences, ranging from altered perception of time and the self, to feelings of euphoria and relaxation all through the body.


Medically, it appears to be analgetic, meaning that it is capable of alleviating even severe pain. It is also known to be neuroprotective, which rules out the possibility of brain damage, which was initially proposed to follow from heavy use of the plant. It has approximately equal affinity for the CB1 and CB2 receptors. By binding to CB1 receptors (the ones in brain) it produces the high that we are so familiar with. That is why the effects of THC is more cerebral, than the effect of CBD, which seems to have a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor.

THCV is the propyl homologue of THC and is similar in structure. The propyl cannabinoids have so far been found in some varieties originating from Southeast and Central parts of Asia as well as Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Nepal. What are considered some of the most potent marijuana varieties also contain propyl cannabinoids. Some examples include traditional African landrace sativas as well as pure Thai varieties and various hybrids known as Haze.

Cannabinol is the primary degradation product of THC and increases in concentration with plant age. The concentration of this product in the bud is heavily dependent on the time of harvest. Harvesting the bud at a late stage also means that the concentration of CBN in relation to THC will be higher when compared to the peak of THC production.

Also, the woman in the video kept referring to "skunk." She said "new strains of skunk." As I understand things, in Great Britain is a blanket term for any high potency pot and not actually a skunk strain. No particular strain type was referred to. Nothing that was said would be reason to question if sativas do in fact cause a more uplifting energetic head high or not or if indicas do in fact cause a more heavy narcotic body stone or not.

And when you said "sativas" I had to wonder if you meant 100% pure land-race sativas or 100% sativa crosses or like most people mean when they say sativas, a sativa/indica hybrid that is predominantly sativa but does have some indica in it so along with a head high there would be some degree of a body stone. There can be a fairly big difference between a real true land-race sativa and a sativa dominant hybrid cross, so if you did not mean a true sativa you should state that you are talking about a sativa dominant hybrid cross. The same goes for when you say indica. For anyone to formulate a valid response they would really need to know for sure just what you are talking about.

Since 1968 I have smoked mainly real sativas, and before about 1980 that was all I smoked, and I have never run across one that was indica-like, that had a heavy narcotic couchlock body stone sort of buzz to it. Not one. Not all were the same in every way, but all were energetic and uplifting and thought provoking to some degree or another.

I really cannot see where you are on to anything.
Agreed, as much as I can in my ignorance, but I've been enjoying a sour tsunami out of humbolt that has a 12% CBD and a 7% THC. My pain relief (cervical spodylosis with bone spurs) is remarkable but surprisingly my high is relaxing but manageable. My point being in my narrow research on the subject I was suprised by the high I got from such a low THC% strain. Definitely an unexpected bonus.
 

danbridge

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THC is what gives you the euphoric effect. CBN &CBD etc is for pain or stopping epelitic seziures. Yes, THC percentage DOES matter when it comes to the strenghth of the high. I smoke for high THC percentages between 25- 30%. Everything else to me is practically shwag. I am shocked that THC is not the most popular chemical in cannabis.
 

Final Phase

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Watching you experts chat about this is a very humbling experiance. Where would a noob go to learn about this stuff (in a noobs language)???
I'm no expert by any means... more like an experienced grower... What I have learned is there is a lifetime of learning and it will never end due to changes in technology and the what the scientific/medical world is learning. All you need to do is start reading and growing... Tons of disagreements in many areas. You will have to educate yourself in what to believe and what to ignore. Happy Growing!
 

ryan1918

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I've never thought of this, this is pretty cool thought and I do agree with you 100% because I've had some thrax and some stuff that you thought was boo boo and what do you think was the best?
 

ryan1918

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What do you mean dies? Can you explain?

CBN is not gone by the time a plant is fully developed. As THC degrades/oxidized the amount of CBN increases, even after harvest. CBN is what THC becomes when it 'dies.'

Cannabinoid biosynthesis:





CANNABINOL (CBN)




Cannabinol is the primary degradation product of THC and increases in concentration with plant age. The concentration of this product in the bud is heavily dependent on the time of harvest. Harvesting the bud at a late stage also means that the concentration of CBN in relation to THC will be higher when compared to the peak of THC production.

CBN content also increases as THC degrades during storage and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive and can cause "fuzzy head", drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker, properties that can be considered unpleasant in nature compared to the clear high of the THC. Its affinity to the CB2 receptors is higher than for the CB1 receptor, meaning that it mostly affects the body.
 

mustbetribbin

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It's the Natural cycle of life of a THC molecule, time or heat can break it down into less desirable cannabinoids such as CBN, which has less than 10% of the pschoactivity found in THC.

There's ways to convert it back to THC, but it's time consuming and expensive. Much better to just get it the way nature intended from the start, fresh off the plant.

I agree 100% with the op , don't fall for high THC gimmick strands, although it is a good indication that it is a powerful strain, her Majesty doesn't restrict her love to just the THC and CBD she produces. Follow the scent of your nose it usually always steers me the right direction when finding the right strain, although there are exceptions, trial and error for them all still.
 
I am trying to understand why some strains make people giggle and chat and others make people sleep . THC % is not the deciding factor . CBD ? CBN ? Other Magic Stuff ?
Terpenes, for example humulene makes you giggly and cheerfull and myrcene makes you sleep.

The best cannabis has significantly more terpenes, while cannabinoids are the same:
Emerald Cup winners vs overall

Research in the Netherlands shows the same, the more terpenes are in there the higher a strain gets rated,
while the same isn't true for cannabinoids.
 
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