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ViRedd

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Cigarmakers in a panic

The federal tax on each cigar could rise from 5 cents to $10.

By JAMES THORNER
Published July 17, 2007

Eric Newman punches the numbers on his calculator and gapes at the results one more time.

It's no mathematical error: The federal government has proposed raising taxes on premium cigars, the kind Newman's family has been rolling for decades in Ybor City, by as much as 20,000 percent.

As part of an increase in tobacco taxes designed to pay for children's health insurance, the nickel-per-cigar tax that has ruled the industry could rise to as much as $10 per cigar.

"I'm not sure in the history of man, since our forefathers founded the country in 1776, that there's ever been a tax increase of 20,000 percent," said Newman, who runs the Tampa business founded by grandfather Julius Caesar Newman. "They had the Boston Tea Party for less than this."

When it comes to tobacco sales, cigars are just a speck compared to cigarettes. In 2006, the nearly 400-billion cigarettes sold domestically dwarfed the 5.3-billion cigars.

But cigars are intertwined with Tampa's lineage.

Though the local industry has shriveled from foreign competition and domestic consolidation, cigarmaking still employs more than 1,000 in Tampa. About 900 work at the factory, offices and warehouse of Hav-a-Tampa, owned by foreign tobacco giant Altadis.

Newman machine-makes 35,000 cigars a day at 16th Street and Columbus Avenue and imports hand-wrapped varieties from Latin America. He estimates Florida makes or imports 80 percent of the cigars consumed in the United States and predicts devastation if the new taxes are approved this summer.
Many casual smokers are well heeled enough to plunk down $10 for a premium puff. But would they pay $15 to $20 for the same pleasure?
"Why don't we just go out of business?" Newman said. "Here, you can run our company, Mr. Government."

Here's the source of the controversy: The Democrat controlled Congress has sought an extra $35-billion to $50-billion for the state children's health insurance program. The program distributes payments to the states to help buy coverage for kids not poor enough for Medicaid.

Cigarettes, which accounted for more than 95 percent of tobacco tax collections last year, are the main focus of the bill. Federal taxes on a pack would jump from 39 cents to $1.

But the legislation has dragged cigars along for the ride. The industry operates under a 4.8 cents-per-cigar tax cap.

Under the proposed bill, taxes on "large cigars," a category that includes all but the tiny cigars sold in 20 packs like cigarettes, would rise to 53 percent.
A U.S. Senate version of the bill under consideration today in the Finance Committee sets the maximum tax per cigar at $10.

"We are a very small industry. We're the fly. The cigarette industry is the elephant as far as tax collections are concerned," Newman said. "We've been roped in with conglomerates that own cigarette companies."

Newman's eyes and ears in Washington, Norm Sharp, president of the Cigar Association of America, was dumbfounded when the legislation went public Friday.

"I thought there was a typo. I thought they meant 10 cents per cigar, not $10 per cigar. I was stunned like everyone else," Sharp said.

Sharp's organization represents 66 members, including Newman, Altadis and Jacksonville's Swisher International, the global company that makes Swisher Sweets.

The association has lobbied to exclude cigars from the bill, but bristles at the public relations challenge: How do you oppose a sin tax Congress has rigged to help sick kids? Senate staffers couldn't be reached for comment.

In Newman's view other companies declined comment and left the talking to Sharp, it's not just unfair but also immoral to overtax a product enjoyed not by addicts but by worthy pleasure seekers. The average aficionado smokes about three cigars a week at about $3 to $5 apiece, according to the cigar association.

"A good wine. A good scotch. A good bourbon. A good cigar. It all enhances the quality of life," Newman said. "We're in the relaxation business."

The Bush administration may inadvertently come to the industry's aid. The president has vowed to veto the bill, not over the cigar provision but over objections to expanding federally financed health care for the non-indigent.
Several business in and around Ybor City, usually blind to the workings of Washington, will be craning their necks toward the capital.

"Things happen strangely in Washington," Newman said.

James Thorner can be reached at (813) 226-3313 or [email protected].
 

Dankdude

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Damn I'm glad I stopped using tobacco... But I'm not like med who thinks no one has the right to smoke. If one wants to ruin their health, it's their right, it's supposed to be a free country... But every day that comes into doubt.
 

medicineman

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Damn I'm glad I stopped using tobacco... But I'm not like med who thinks no one has the right to smoke. If one wants to ruin their health, it's their right, it's supposed to be a free country... But every day that comes into doubt.
I never said Idiots don't have a right to smoke (for that is what they are, Idiots) Just they don't have a right to smoke in my house. Both my adult kids smoke, but outside if they are at my house. If I go to their house, they have the right to smoke. Now (thank God) Nevada has banned all smoking in resturants, hooray. the worst smoke, if you are a non-smoker, is cigar smoke or pipe smoke. I am so happy to see the govt. finally doing saomething good, banning smoking. Hell, I hope they put a hundred dollar tax on cigars. Those stinky stogies got to go. ~LOL~ BTW Dank, still standing strong eh? Good for you.
 

ViRedd

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Haven't had a cigarette of any tobacco product in 7 months
Hey, that's great Dank! :hump:

I quit cigarettes in 1972 after building up to a three-pack-a-day habit. Quit cold turkey just like you did ... and I have to say, it was a MoFo. I only smoke a very occasional cigar, but the ones I smoke are like the ones in the article ... expensive as hell already. A few years ago, the Nazis in the California state legislature imposed a 40% tax on tobacco products on top of an already high tobacco tax. It drove a multitude of good smoke shops out of business, and drove customers to buy from out of state vendors on the Internet. So, as government usually does, they are now suffering the unintended consequenses of their actions ... They have lost revenue in the form of sales taxes ... and the increased revenue they wanted from cigar smokers. Hey, no one quit because of the stupid move, everyone just avoids the taxes one way or the other.

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Dankdude

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I smoked for 31 years and was smoking two packs a day. Now since I quit I have a harder time breathing than I did before. But when someone smokes around me... which isn't too often the smell doesn't bother me like it does a lot of ex-smokers I know. When I'm at work, I'm not about to tell my boss not to smoke around me... He signs my check.
But I quit because of the price increase and my kids begged me to stop.
A pack of Marlboro here in my town cost $5.29 a pack.
 

ViRedd

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I smoked for 31 years and was smoking two packs a day. Now since I quit I have a harder time breathing than I did before. But when someone smokes around me... which isn't too often the smell doesn't bother me like it does a lot of ex-smokers I know. When I'm at work, I'm not about to tell my boss not to smoke around me... He signs my check.
But I quit because of the price increase and my kids begged me to stop.
A pack of Marlboro here in my town cost $5.29 a pack.
Same here, Dank. Man, I'd go downstairs in the morning and put some bread in the toaster and there would be a note sticking up from the toaster reading: "Daddy, please stop smoking, we love you!" Then I'd drive into the sun on the way to work, pull down the sunvisor, and the same note would fall out. I felt so damned guilty ... and I really knew deep down that if I didn't quit, I'd never live to see the children of my children. Quiting smoking is one of the best things I've ever done for myself.

Ahhh, but then there is that occasional Hoyo de Monterrey Robusto with the Maduro wrapper ... *lol*

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medicineman

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Haven't had a cigarette or any tobacco product in 7 months
Well, you're over the physical part for sure. The mental is the hardest, hang in. I found in my particular case, when I quit 10 or so years ago, I developed a strong hatred of the drug (nicotine) and an aversion to those whom used it. It helped with the mental. Now instead of smoke prompting my subconscience to have a smoke, I think of the smell of a dirty ashtray and that repulses me. To each his own. I don't give Idiots crap about their nasty habits, I just try and avoid their smoke filled areas.
 
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