Thai stick
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thumper60
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I got a couple years on ya,u are 100% correct I went to thialand in74 with my parents scored a few bundles of thai stick off a local ,just like u said brought bact two bundles the best herb me an my buddies ever smoked dipped for sure,never seen any like it since,an I have smoked the best reds an golds from all over the world,the real thai stick is gone for ever,now thai weed that'sALL weed in those days was comparatively poor quality -in that it wasn't trimmed well -leaves, stems, seeds abounded.
I can't tell you HOW Thai sticks came to be...can't even tell you if they were the result of a demand for "poppy-based" products of that day or not...All I know, for SURE, is that real Thai sticks were opiated. And this is born out through the stories of Vietnam era veterans and others connected to the SE Asian campaign. As I understand it, there was a LOT of drug-manufacturing going on all over SE Asia in those days...and transport planes connected to the armed services (and in the case of my friend...the Peace Corps) was how the stuff made it over here.
Thai sticks were differentiated from loose weed -by the fact they were wrapped around sticks and dipped in first water and hung to dry/cure. That's why they were wrapped around sticks. Why would there be a need to process regular weed that way? Ask yourself that. That's how people identified/differentiated them. They were a remnant of the opium making process and they became another commodity to sell as a result of it. It was a very very smart idea because it increased the price brought in by the weed...and was also a way to utilize the otherwise unused first water which would get thrown out. The result was a smoke that would put you into another world of blissful relaxation like you've never imagined! THIS, I know for sure!The first time I smoke a hit of Thai stick, I was 15 years old and was sitting in a chair in my brother's house listening to The Grateful Dead. One hit and I literally sunk into the chair and was engulfed in it like a warm glove....nothing but bliss...and nothing like any weed high could ever produce. The high was so profoundly different and so much stronger...that's why real Thai sticks are legendary. Trust me. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything.
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tstick
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yes, the precipitate formed on the top layer is white....that's the actual morphine and then that is taken off refined further and dried into raw opium which is dark, gooey brown. I suppose it would be possible to get some sticks with a white precipitate on them....never thought about it....I don't recall that, in my experience, though....could have been I just wasn't aware enough to notice it. Good point, though....and likely legit.
tstick
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I couldn't agree more, brother!I got a couple years on ya,u are 100% correct I went to thialand in74 with my parents scored a few bundles of thai stick off a local ,just like u said brought bact two bundles the best herb me an my buddies ever smoked dipped for sure,never seen any like it since,an I have smoked the best reds an golds from all over the world,the real thai stick is gone for ever,now thai weed that's
-Just as another anecdote to bolster what has already been said about the opiate aspect....I have grown papaver somniferum in my garden (not illegal) and I have scored the pods and milked the opium latex from them (VERY illegal!). I have boiled it down in distilled water and extracted the raw crystals from the tea (w/o the lime process!)....I have hesitated to try it....I can't really go into WHY I haven't tried it -that's a whole other can of worms!...But, in regards to the aspects that truly identify a real Thai stick...the smell of the Thai sticks I'm referring to had a smell that is exactly like the smell of my homemade opium (so-called) -kinda sickly-sweet, funky, "sexy" kinda thing going on. That pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of the "Thai sticks are straight-weed" argument -at least in my book, anyway! Opium has a very distinctive fragrance and that's what Thai sticks smell like, too. Coincidence? no.
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tstick
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I'm not exactly sure of the process, tbh....I'm not a chemist. I do know that opium has been being used for thousands of years and the process for making it and smoking it has probably changed, in modern times to include ways that are more efficient and probably more dangerous, too. The bottom line is that opium is an extract that comes from a certain type of poppy (papaver somniferum) and the chemical constituents act upon the nervous system to give a sense of euphoria and also to alleve pain. Morphine is still one of the best pain killers available. I had a morphine drip in the emergency room one time...best trip I ever took!
I do know that opium has been being used for thousands of years and the process for making it and smoking it has probably changed, in modern times to include ways that are more efficient and probably more dangerous, too. The bottom line is that opium is an extract that comes from a certain type of poppy (papaver somniferum) and the chemical constituents act upon the nervous system to give a sense of euphoria and also to alleve pain. Morphine is still one of the best pain killers available. I had a morphine drip in the emergency room one time...best trip I ever took! 
greasemonkeymann
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hey just thought i'd share some interesting info..do not give a fuck if you believe me....i was there and all my information is first hand..All due respect...that is a bullshit story. You sound like a guy with a business plan to sell some seeds. I don't believe anything you say.
Thai sticks were opiated as I have described. I don't care if you or anyone else disputes the information or not. I'm not going to get into an argument over it because I've been through all this with others, like you who want to tell some other stories. Believe what you want. Have a nice day.
there was 2 distinct groups of people in Laos...the hmong[mountains] and the other in the lowlands...around Vientiane ...
the hmong grew the opium in the north and the other grew just weed in the south...still the same though the hmong also grow hemp....
my associates in Laos were the police chief of the country and an australian who had taught them all english so was connected to everyone...
i was there MAN....not connected to the US forces but to the people who were pretending to support them...my friends were stealing the opium back from the us and destroying it..got them dead eventually..
these were wonderfull people who the US fucked over ..... they wanted nothing to do with opium..
could tell you stories but will not waste my time with further discussing this....
just thought i would impart some interesting knowledge.
I am a Canadian and not completely concerned with money.....
maybe when they started coming from thailand but by then i had retired
i ca absolutely unequivocally assure none of the loads we brought ever went near any opium....or i would not have imported it...
MJ good Opium BAD
tstick
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First of all, I'm not talking about the Hmong people. I also am not talking about how the opium trade worked in SE Asia at that time. I'm also not going to be talking about governmental politics.
What I AM talking about is what Thai sticks are. It makes zero difference to me who was in Laos in 1969 or who the police chief was or any other exotic stories of intrigue. What you say may all be well and good. I don't know that it has any bearing on the discussion of "Thai" sticks though. Thai sticks came from Thailand -thus the name "Thai" stick.
I knew people who were there, too -just like you say you were. I have plenty of acquaintances who are veterans of the Vietnam war. So let's not get into a "who is more authentic" thing. If you want to say that Laotian weed got wrapped around bamboo and smoked by itself, then who am I to argue? It's no concern to me one way or the other. But there's no need to jump into a discussion about Thai sticks with other people (plural) who are referring to a completely different thing than Laotian weed wrapped on a bamboo skewer.
tstick
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@AKUMA...Actually...reading back on your initial post on this thread...You stated that YOU "invented" the Thai stick.....Sorry, but that statement, all by itself, is SO ridiculous that it renders anything else you say after it, completely unbelievable. But. as you also mention...You don't give a fuck about any of that.. Okay...I got it now. Thanks.
SoOLED
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Thai stick: they were made by Buddhist monks hundreds of years ago. A cannabis flowered branch grown on scared ground, rolled in hash/oil, warped in paper/leaf, and sealed with a colored wax stamp. it was a religious item, and treated and used with reverence.
the bamboo/or woven fiber/shish kabob style popular in the 60-70's from local landraces. however the monks refused disclose the locations of the scared patches they harvested, and presumably to this very day keep this secret. they where forbidden to create the product since Dalai-lama(16th or 15th) wrote the decree in early 60's
then it was taken over by black market traders exploiting the commodity, in a thousand silly variations. some went as far as to try and forge the wax press designs, in order to pass the product as authentic.
I personally have never seen one, my friend who was in Cambodia fighting, has a picture of himself with monks holding a small bundle, a special case made to carry them. in a upright position, as laying them in a horizontal manner would untune the blessed items.
I guess the real facts are lost forever, theres only the thousand year old texts, about the use of cannabis in Buddhism, and the care of certain places in which they collected. anthropology day (1) 8:00 never, say you are 100% sure about anything.
the bamboo/or woven fiber/shish kabob style popular in the 60-70's from local landraces. however the monks refused disclose the locations of the scared patches they harvested, and presumably to this very day keep this secret. they where forbidden to create the product since Dalai-lama(16th or 15th) wrote the decree in early 60's
then it was taken over by black market traders exploiting the commodity, in a thousand silly variations. some went as far as to try and forge the wax press designs, in order to pass the product as authentic.
I personally have never seen one, my friend who was in Cambodia fighting, has a picture of himself with monks holding a small bundle, a special case made to carry them. in a upright position, as laying them in a horizontal manner would untune the blessed items.
I guess the real facts are lost forever, theres only the thousand year old texts, about the use of cannabis in Buddhism, and the care of certain places in which they collected. anthropology day (1) 8:00 never, say you are 100% sure about anything.
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tstick
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@SoOLED Hey, man! That's interesting! I never heard that one before, but I don't doubt that the tradition of wrapping weed up didn't just spring up during the Vietnam war. People have been smoking weed forever, it seems. Wrapping buds onto a skewer of some kind probably made packaging/transportation/storage more stable or whatever...who knows?
Again, though...just to be clear...What I'M referring to is very specifically called "Thai sticks" and they are very, very specifically, referring to buds of marijuana that were wrapped around a bamboo skewer, secured to it with a strand of bamboo fiber and then dipped into opium "tea" and dried and cured. Thats the only true "Thai" stick that I know about. I've smoked them and they smelled and tasted different...and certainly gave a much different effect than any weed could give.
Having said that, I will concede that there are probably other things out there that might be considered the same thing....but, as I know them, Thai sticks are very specific things -a whole separate category kind of thing.
Again, though...just to be clear...What I'M referring to is very specifically called "Thai sticks" and they are very, very specifically, referring to buds of marijuana that were wrapped around a bamboo skewer, secured to it with a strand of bamboo fiber and then dipped into opium "tea" and dried and cured. Thats the only true "Thai" stick that I know about. I've smoked them and they smelled and tasted different...and certainly gave a much different effect than any weed could give.
Having said that, I will concede that there are probably other things out there that might be considered the same thing....but, as I know them, Thai sticks are very specific things -a whole separate category kind of thing.
SoOLED
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I'm not all that smart but this sounds...well sounds in accordance to what I have been taught. the biggest difference being, the use of the branch itself Vs the processes ( likely one of many) to create at product that falls under a broad spectrum of evolutions of production. in a way I can think everyone is right, because of the wide assortment of products you can simply research.
thai stick, I don't think these is a definitive right or wrong, as to cars, all having four wheels (mostly if you want to be a smart ass)
I'm more interested in the strain itself, and how the plant looked back then, vs the no doubt "dutch touched" landraces there today.[/I]
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skinny510
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Yea, I would have to say that definitely there were many different products on the market. Not just one single thing that was "Thai Stick". The market exploded and so many different people/regions were involved.
skinny510
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A good history is a book called "Thai Stick." Was published last year. First hand accounts. Some dipped in opium water, some not. Some good quality, some shitty. Sounds like the first stuff on the market was fantastic. Then the Feds cracked down, was harder to smuggle into the States. And then the demand grew and so the producers were just sending shitty product towards the end. And smugglers knew they could still make money off an inferior product.
Anyway, its a good read and probably at your library thanks to being published by someone like Columbia University Press.
Anyway, its a good read and probably at your library thanks to being published by someone like Columbia University Press.
ahah
have not read that book
would like to
the very first to come to north America was from the mountains of southern Laos...
then Laos collapsed and everyone had to leave
then product came from Northern Thailand and was inferior...
my knowledge stops there..
yes not quite what said,,the Laotians kept some of their weed on a stick about a foot long as the previous gentleman said...when i saw this i just got themto use MJ stalk and strings to wrap on smaller sticks that were 20 to the bundle and 2oz per..so technically only change for a better marketing thing..
yes exactly as i said before
have not read that book
would like to
the very first to come to north America was from the mountains of southern Laos...
then Laos collapsed and everyone had to leave
then product came from Northern Thailand and was inferior...
my knowledge stops there..
a lot of bearing as the Original Thai stick as you know it was not grown in thailand technically
it was grown on the mekong river on island's exposed as the river drops.....planted at the end of the rainy season and harvested in nov...grown by the parents of the police chief of Vientiane ..they were all killed by the Khemer Rouge 2 years latter
taken to Laos ..oh the mekong is the border if you are not aware.....where it was hung in sheds and little old ladies sat around on the ground underneath and wrapped the sticks....they used mj stalk and string not bamboo..
it was then transported across the river to thailand by the army..where it was taken by the Thai army to the destination...Laos is landlocked....this was the first load...so grown in the river....no mans land....harvested and packaged in Laos....shipped thru thailand ..I guess 50/50 would be the reality..
just feel that the Laos people should be recognized the are very unprepossessing...true Buddhists
as the book says this stuff was fantastic and i have grown MJ all around the world in every way and would put it against anything...i can get the same strain still..and hope to be allowed to grow and import it..end of a career
read the book..sounds like they know what they are talking about....do not expect an apology to UnAmerican hahahaha it was an incredible trip for a stupid teenage Canadian to take.
kind of amazing that we can say these things now.....everything so different
may even do a movie
all good man if you do not believe me ......thought the story would be interesting..never been on this site before ..probably will not again...do not like being called a liar...
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kiwipaulie
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I'm reading that book now
