Thai outdoor | Please help diagnosing.

Good morning everyone, we are new in here.

We have done 8 grows so far but always autos and always indoor. All good so far but want to learn more about growing outdoors and photoperiod.
Basically, the idea is to create a nice spot on our front porch where we supplement all plants with LED (TSL2000 M. Hydro) during night.
Well, we actually just move them out from the light from 9 am - 4pm to the edge where they get max sun.
Its winter here in Thailand. Temps at nights and mornings about 20 C, days 30-35. Humidity during night is peaking above 95% then slowly decline to be even 35% already at 1-2 pm.

Some details on our grow.

Strain: Original Gorilla #4. Seedbank says sativa dominant but the leaves looks so Indica. Are they not?
Age: 3 months. We keep them so long in purpose so we can learn cloning, training. If we manage to keep them healthy and in veg we will want to move them to a grow room which is designed for blooming.

So, we got a mother and 6 verging plants from her on the patio I mentioned above.
They are all 1 gallon pots in coco + 30% perlite (cal-mag buffered)
Feed with salts HESI, AN

The only exception is 1 plant in super soil, 30 gallon pot. This one stays far away from the coco group and doesn't get LED during night. Just standard house bulb to keep her in veg. We dont feed her and she was the most beautiful still 2 days ago.

So where is the issue? Wilting leaves on new shots. The coco section is just starting to have it but organic 30 gallon plant looks bad.

I separated the pictures into 2 sections, first coco, then the single plant in soil.

Also we are seeing flowers forming up last few days. How can they flower having 24h light?

All input very welcome.
Thanks.
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Coco Group




* They are not yellow like that. Its morning light mixed with LED giving such effect.





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Organic:, 30 gallon (just 1 plant)

Note! It looks to me like she was first. Its a way more infected as coco section and the coco is constantly ventilated with 2 fans. This one has no fans at all.

It's hard to tell what's going on with your plants but I'm pretty sure you are going to get robbed when those beauties start putting on flowers.
I know they have changed the law in the land of smiles, but crims are still doing their thing.
Good luck with your grow.

Are they not in preflower yet? We noticed flowers few days ago then what you are seeing kicked in right after that.

spicy_seed said:

Are they not in preflower yet? We noticed flowers few days ago then what you are seeing kicked in right after that.

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They are showing some signs but, in my experience, 'pre-flowering' can go on for while before they make any real buds.
Someone will be along soon to give an opinion about those brown smudges.

As I'm looking at them coco pots in sunlight looks not bad. Here is some more pictures

here is the soil one again

I've never dealt with them myself, and only seen pics.. but kinda looks like symptoms of russet\broad mite.

Drop That Sound said:

I've never dealt with them myself, and only seen pics.. but kinda looks like symptoms of russet\broad mite.

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ok. i took high resolution pictures and found something in there although its more of a spider. Is that what you have in mind?

Hmm. We always use nicotinods which crash all sucking bugs. It worked v well for years. But thats systemic insecticide in powder - must be absorbed by roots. Maybe I didn't add enough of it for a 30 gallon pot.

Also this plant is in completely different environment as the coco on porch.

We actually don't know what to do with it We just put it there to see how it works in soil. She is not important unlike the Coco section.

I guess I have to dig her out of that pot as she could couse trouble to the coco ones which we intend to bloom inside. I could trim her down to minimum and repot to smaller pot and quarantine somewhere...

Here is few 4k zoom ins of the spider.

All I can think of, is that you have one plant in soil that is worse than the rest. Makes me think that your soil was infested, and now that plant is spreading it to the rest, as you say they are starting to look like it but not as bad.

I can't help but compare your new growth problem pics to those of people who had russet mites. Looks the same to me.

That, and bringing plants in and out is just asking for some kind of infestation. I don't know the common pests in your country, but I would be looking even closer with a scope, for microscopic bugs that are too small to see by eye.

Otherwise, they look really healthy, which further makes me think it is pests. The spider hanging out there, makes me think he is helping eat them or something. I like when spiders visit, but they don't usually cause any harm like that. Not the kind around here anyway.

Drop That Sound said:

I can't help but compare your new growth problem pics to those of people who had russet mites

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Well, you did help already! Cheers!
idk if that spider is eating bad guys or cause of the problem itself.
You are very likely right about the soil. Its soil from previous grows mixed with a lot organic additives. One of the pot had even forest soil in it.

We actually dont have any plants except small orange tree and lawn on entire property. Zero organic fertilizers or compounds except that soil in pots.
And I have been moving out the forest soil from the pot standing right next to that plant before. If that things lives in soil it could be the cause as well.

Drop That Sound said:

All I can think of, is that you have one plant in soil that is worse than the rest. Makes me think that your soil was infested, and now that plant is spreading it to the rest, as you say they are starting to look like it but not as bad.

compare your new growth problem pics to those of people who had russet mites. Looks the same to me.

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I did, but just get lost leaf pictures on some threads looks similar but on many not. Maybe we are comparing different stages here..

Yeah its easy to get lost looking at pics, but it almost looks like a classic case of some kind of russet/broad/cyclamen type mite damage, according to all the pics I ever seen. I'm not sure either though. I could be way off, causing unnecessary concern. Hopefully someone else will chime in.

All I can say is look good with a magnified scope!

Unfortunately I don't have magnified scope. Will get one asap although zooming in high resolution pictures reveal a lot. I just don't know what else to look for. Would love to hear from other users as well.

Drop That Sound said:

All I can say is look good with a magnified scope!

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Got one today, pulled random new tiny (5mm) leaf and put under scope. Boom... Little red guy running around popped out right on - extremly small, zero chance to see it with a naked eye.
Unfortunately he run out before I figured out how to take pictures with that scope. Now I'm pulling more and more leaves for like 3 hours and cant find it no more !
WTF? Maybe they are just "active" at night and early morning.

Although I think I caught an egg, looks a bit less developed as what I see on google but could be it.
Here it is along with a picture from another leaf where I saw spider web as a cover - leaf curled up, net on top, sort of nest.

Egg?: The big one and 2 small one above





Web:



And here is Interesting part:
This picture is from google. The red mite is identical to the one I saw but missed to shoot a pic of him!
What's more the spider eating it looks same as the one I posted above.


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@Drop That Sound:
Could you please throw few words on that?

So far I cut 90% of leaves, sprayed (almost bathed) all plants with 1 part of 3% peroxide and 2 parts of water, then few hours later sprayed it with Nicotinoid (Bayer's Belt) That was all I had at hand. Two plants improved significantly, other 3 got worsen, other 5 which were heavy infested were not sprayed and given away to someone willing to declare a war on it

Here is interesting conversation on how to get rid of it using both organic and inorganic insecticides together as combo.