Pickett420247365
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sadly TGA doesent make fem seeds ...
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kermit2692
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the thing about everyone complaining over pheno variations is that its simply rediculous ...thats like if our great great grandparents had expected that we would turn out just how they want...its not going to happen guys your dealing with a living being in a plant and genes are different from one to the next whether you like it or not...3-5 possible phenos is really not bad your all asking too much..
Shivaskunk
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It can and does happen though once you get past f-4 or so you definitely see a reduction in variance. Some people love the chance that they might find a crazy new pheno from their seeds. Some people may want and expect a more uniform product. Are F-1s breeding? Yeah of course. Are they a stable new strain? no fcking way.
kermit2692
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idk i see what you mean variation can be cut down but i just think alot of ppl on here are way too over critical of the companies that are bringing it....lets all complain about dutch passion if we want to complain...now theres some variation, some herms, and some straight garbage unless u get lucky!!
kermit2692
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also please explain to me what is a f1 (i dont breed yet) and what is an ibl (isnt that a good beer lol) and if f1 is more variation what is the term for a "stabilized" strain.....just curious this sites for learnin isnt it 
Banditt
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also please explain to me what is a f1 (i dont breed yet) and what is an ibl (isnt that a good beer lol) and if f1 is more variation what is the term for a "stabilized" strain.....just curious this sites for learnin isnt it
F stands for filial generation. The number is the number of the generation. ie 1.
IBL = inbred line
Shivaskunk
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IBL is an inbred line. crossing the same genes into themselves over and over. F1 has some name the F stands for i just think of it as "first one" lol. It is used when you cross two very different strains. From what i have seen if you use two strains that are pure instead of strains that are already hybrids you actually get less phenotype variance. They also tend to have hybrid vigor and grow faster and more robustly than their parents. From my own amatuer experience f2s from say a pure sativa and pure indica cross have a crazy amount of phenotypes but also in my amatuer experience when crossing the strains that are common now (shitload of genetic material) you get more consistent results further down the line.
I have never bred seeds to sell nor would i say i was even an expert..
I have never bred seeds to sell nor would i say i was even an expert..
Shivaskunk
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i guess true breeding would come close to explaining a stabilized strain. And i guess that i misspoke somewhat. I think that what a lot of seedbanks call f1 are more realistically f2.
kermit2692
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this is confusing lol...lets use an example so if i have skunk1 and purple haze and breed those ive made an f1 say i call it purple skunk...so now is the f2 purple skunk backcrossed with one parent? or is an f2 just a plant that came from seed made from two of these purple skunk plants? ....whats the most desirable then an f1 hybrid or an f3 hybrid? if those exist...figure it cant hurt to take this thread in a new direction since a page or two ago everyone was just bashing each other anyway 
Grojak
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While I agree with you in the fullest, Serious Seeds Bubble Gum pokes wholes in the F1 theory, true F1 that grows uniform seeds, but hey Simon is a magician with strains!!
boneheadbob
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Yes, grow out the PS beans, pick the best male or fem and mate it back to original mom or dad depending on the traits you desire. Those beans are F2, do it again you have F3, etc. The further you go the more alike the beans should be
this is confusing lol...lets use an example so if i have skunk1 and purple haze and breed those ive made an f1 say i call it purple skunk...so now is the f2 purple skunk backcrossed with one parent? or is an f2 just a plant that came from seed made from two of these purple skunk plants? ....whats the most desirable then an f1 hybrid or an f3 hybrid? if those exist...figure it cant hurt to take this thread in a new direction since a page or two ago everyone was just bashing each other anyway
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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f-1
Sativa x Indica
usually Landraces produce better more stable strains, uniformity.
Sativa x Indica
usually Landraces produce better more stable strains, uniformity.
Grojak
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Yes but F1's are not new breeds (I'll go back to bubblegum simon and th seeds did not event a strain they just stabilized a strain). It's true that if you find the right combo they will be stable and uniform, F1's are not a true breed, meaning that if you cross them the resulting strain will be unstable with several pheno's thus annoying growers and breeders a like, i.e. TGA strains. In the case of TGA really doesn't make any new breeds, their beans just produce pheno's, some like the mom, some like the dad, you would have to find that rare pheno that isn't like either mom or dad and stabilize it to make a new breed.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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never grew original bubblegum even though ive smoked the legit, i grew nirvana's "shitty"(imo better) rendition that performed better, it was also unstable but the one plant i kept was better than the sati leaning bubblegums ive smoked. you care too much about stability, sometimes i like to gamble for better finished product.
Grojak
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TH Seeds original BG is indica dom sounds like Nirvana probably stole those genes, I'm doubting they worked with the original cutting, but I could be wrong of course. I'm a gambler but when I'm paying $12 bucks for a seed I want to know it's going to give me 2-5 (in general) females that will be similar to bud others have shared with me of that strain.
No one ever talks about how bad unstable genes are for the medical patients. I'm a legal patient / caregiver and for about my first 6 months I had to rely on others (meaning dispensaries) medicine. Well I've received the same strain (Plushberry, Ace of Spades and Dairy Queen) from different shops and they all had different pheno's of this same strain. From a business stand point this is not good, if I had the Ace of Spades from dispensary A that was only mediocre than I probably wouldn't buy that strain at dispensary B, however I had the Black Cherry Soda cut of Ace of Spades the first time so I got it again at a different shop, not the same pheno, I was pissed I wasted the money. The one time I got DQ it was no where near the quality of the one I later harvest and kept (realy all 3 of my females, of course all 3 different, were better than what I bought). Sensi Star I grew in 2002, tasted and gave a similar high as that I bought in 2012 at a dispensary, ahhh stability. So yea stability is very important to me
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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can't argue with the fact that people DO sell different pheno's of any strain to a dispensary, not the breeders fault though. if anything, your experiences can be tarnished by even buying dispensary, i guess i'm lucky enough to always have headstash on hand. also, i love sensi star as well.... the best i've had yet was "Superstar" by D9L, its a sick 2xBX of paradise's original sensi star.
i just got 30 tga seeds for $200 with the promo, so i got a better rate per seed i suppose. something like 6.75 a seed... almost half.
JustAnotherHead
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Yay. Another thread in toilet over this guys is a breeder... no pollen chucker, no breeder.... no pollen chucker. Dick waving contest. Get high you punks!
gladstoned
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Actually I thought it was pretty damn interesting.
And to add I just harvested the Nirvana Bubblelicious and I am surprised at how nice it was.
I have ordered a pack of Doggies Nuts Bubble Gum #1. I haven't tried any of their gear before.
And to add I just harvested the Nirvana Bubblelicious and I am surprised at how nice it was.
I have ordered a pack of Doggies Nuts Bubble Gum #1. I haven't tried any of their gear before.
kermit2692
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uhhhh....dude dont be a dick, i just finally got this thread going somewhere instead of ppl just talkin shit....id like to learn about breeding instead of hearing ppl badmouth eachother...
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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hey kermit, i'm thinking of making a journal for the tga f2's im gonna make. i got a few sick clones from prior grows opf my fav phenotypes, and so i bought some packs to get a good male for my Third Dimension, The Void and Ace of Spades and make seeds. 4/5 males on the 3d (lol 1 female) 2/5 The Void males, 2/5 ace of spades males.
i have some incomming spacebomb/chernobyl/ and i still have my lime candy chernobyl, so maybe i can work on stabilizing her...
i have some incomming spacebomb/chernobyl/ and i still have my lime candy chernobyl, so maybe i can work on stabilizing her...