Discussion in 'Subcool's Old School Organics' started by subcool, Jun 13, 2010.
Pulled a couple deep purples as of late. One had a more grape smell and test, the other was almost twice the yield and had a more hashy smell but dried with about the same grapish smell as the other. Both have a grape taste. More higher yielding hash smell plant had some weird flat stems on the sugar leaves
TimeWreck day 35. Doing work while she's sleeping. She goes between 63-66 days.
Transplanting some TimeWreck's into their final 10 g. container. She's around 30 clone generations from the seed plant from years ago when I found her out of a 20 seed hunt. Like Sub, I don't believe in clone degradation. Even if a clone looks like shit, the genetics are still in the plant, they don't leave. I make my SuperSoil a bit more hot than Sub's original recipe, so I fill a 10 g. pot up half way with ROOTS and then add 4 heaping shovels of S.S. then mix it in thoroughly, then fill the balance up with ROOTS. This TW cut is very hungry and can fade too soon if not taken care of.
Back to school, fellas!
I think especially in an organic growing medium, you have much less epigenetic drift due to natural plant/microbe interactions that stimulate the genome of the plant as it would happen in nature. I've seen a considerable amount of healing in a strain I got from a friend since introducing it into my organic soil. I believe
that's cool that sub mentions Michael Pollan's book Botany of Desire. Very good read, it was required for my botany class in school.
Hey buddy, I agree with what ya said but when you start talking about 'epigenetic, plant microbe interactions, genome"...those big words make my brain hurt lmao. My Garlic Bud I know is over 150 clone generations...my buddy I got it from and his friends cloned the shit out of it years back before I got it and to this day...no change. Clones can get better after each generation too, I've seen it first hand w/ TGA. My Ace Of Spades I grew from seed had an amazing smell but was wispy and didn't look that great but each generation into that plant, it worked itself out and got better each time.
Taking some PlushBerry cuts tonight that are 31 clones generations from the seed plant and no change.
TimeWreck x Green Avenger will be transplanted into their 3g. sexing pots in the next day or 2.
hahahaha my bad. I totally agree with your observations. I generally NEVER toss out a pheno based on the seed run and always choose to run at least one clone run before making any rash decisions. The structure definitely changes. The seed run does see to have the most vigor because it's doing what it's programmed to do... go to seed. But it seems that the genetics stabilize in a way after a few clone runs and becomes very consistent. I wouldn't necessarily say the cultivar/pheno gets better with time... but you get better at growing the cultivar with time
I need some plushberry in my life. I haven't noticed if he's released any seeds of it recently... I'd really like to grab a couple packs of it and hunt something down. It just looks too good. Your PB photos always make me drool
New "Weed Nerd" episode's up on YouTube. Looks like Sub's been doing some harvesting.
Great to see this thread's still alive !!
I remember you, Foothills, been a long time.
TimeWreck x Green Avenger....time to transplant into their 3 g. sexing pots.
I need a sexing pot!
@ShLUbY and @Mason Jar 92705 - I have noticed the same thing with killer strains. The winners from the regular seeds become jewels when you clone them. Scott's OG and Jilly Bean both went over the top on the second and third clone generations. Jesus OG gave me a 4 season plant over a two year stretch!
It has been a long time. Of course some things have changed with Sub and TGA since then, but when you think about it, sometimes the more things change, the more they stay the same. It's good to see you and Moe, still over here doing a great job as always. I see you've also got good taste when it comes to a nice cold brew as well !!
I was going through my seed collection the other day and came across some old TGA gear, decided to put them in paper towels. jilly-bean, space candy, locomotion Brian Berry cough and Apollo 13 bx. only a couple of each but we'll see how they go.
I’d never buy it now but wish I would have tried the B.B.Cough when it was first released years back.
Keep us updated on that Apollo bx
As I was reading your post it reminded me of an ordeal I went through just last week. In my case I got lucky and went 10 for 10 from a pack of Jillybean that I bought about 41/2 years ago. I misplaced them in the back of the fridge and forgot I even had them.
At any rate, good luck and I hope you get some good results. You've certainly got a good variety there !!
Wasn't gonna post this but screw it...apparently Roots Organic has a special additive to their mix. Yeah, companion plants! Maybe a week and a half ago, I opened up a fresh bag of roots to transplant some seedlings and 2 days ago these starting popping up. And it's not just these two, there's 5 other pots w/ the same thing happening. Seedlings were germed using fresh Pro-Mix. First time happening for me.
Were they twin seeds?
I really don't believe so. Some of the companion seeds popped up on the edge of the soil too, away from the seedling I transplaned. If it were a twin seed, I would think both would germ at the same time and have the same level of growth. I've seen many twins with JTR when I grew it. I asked my grow store guy and he said they use compost/plants in the mix and probably compost plants and some seeds make it in. I dunno, that's what he said. But twin seeds, I don't believe it.
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