Testing the old "Defoliation" Argument

UncleReemis said:
That's what happens when a pretentious bastard grows his ego off of a popular thread he created.










There, got my shit talk in for this one.
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I guess so, I just expressed what I've been taught, techniques that are very popular among marijuana growers and tried to get some clarification about what exactly is being debated here. As well as why growing technique that are developed around increasing yield like LST and SCRoG are about getting as much of your plant exposed to your light as possible but then people are saying light to bud sights doesn't matter. It was pointed out that I'm taking defoliation too literally and that what I do isn't really defoliating, just selective pruning.

Apparently this makes me a know it all that causes trouble?
 
Uncle Ben said:
Blind leading the blind.



You're seeking truth where it doesn't exist.

My sig line says: "It ain't ignorance that causes so much trouble; it's folks knowing so much that ain't so."
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Yea I read your sig line, how it applies to me I don't know, perhaps you don't read the entire thread before trying to go after someone.

If you can explain the misconception about LST and SCRoG grows please do, that's all I've tried to get an answer for. That and why I've always been told and read that light intensity = bud density, this is misinformation?

I'm not a know it all, go through my post history and you'll see I readily admit when I'm wrong or not sure about something and will listen to people who can explain their point of view. Go read the flushing debate thread if you want an example.

I'm seeking truths to what you're calling misinformation. I asked question of you and Caretaker because you've been growing longer and I'm humble about my growing knowledge, it seems both of you took my comments as personal attacks on your experience.
 
In SCROG, all growths are equal in size or at least that's what you're trying to achieve across the plane. Apical dominance has been distributed from one main cola to many "dominant" sites now spread across your screen.

It's not about light intensity as you can give a plant too much light. It's about photosynthesis and finding the light saturation point of a plant whereby more is less regarding carbos production.

Sorry to come off as crass. I really should be big enough to just ignore these never ending defoliation threads. Once you're read one you've read them all.
 
Uncle Ben said:
In SCROG, all growths are equal in size or at least that's what you're trying to achieve across the plane. Apical dominance has been distributed from one main cola to many "dominant" sites now spread across your screen.

It's not about light intensity as you can give a plant too much light. It's about photosynthesis and finding the light saturation point of a plant whereby more is less regarding carbos production.

Sorry to come off as crass. I really should be big enough to just ignore these never ending defoliation threads. Once you're read one you've read them all.
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Yea I can see from other threads that defoliation seems to always turn into a big arguement. I don't personally agree with doing it.

It's hard not to get misinformed about growing, a lot of books written about marijuana horticulture are filled with misinformation, which is passed along on the Internet as truth. New growers have to wade through so much bs and try to figure out what is right, it doesn't help when misinformation is being spread by well known names in the cannabis world.

Thanks for going into detail for me, I had a basic understanding of apical dominance but definetly worded my statement wrong about apical dominance changing and will see if I can brush up on carbos production. No hard feelings.
 
"It's hard not to get misinformed about growing, a lot of books written about marijuana horticulture are filled with misinformation"

That's because they don't treat it as what it is - a weed.
 
Uncle Ben said:
"It's hard not to get misinformed about growing, a lot of books written about marijuana horticulture are filled with misinformation"

That's because they don't treat it as what it is - a weed.
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Exactly and they name their books things like "Growing Bible", people take that misinformation as gospel, spread it all over the Internet and that's all a new grower finds.
 
^^^^^ true that lol. Seems to me thats been happening for what, a few thousand years lol. But I do think that given the amount of info out there re pot, a newb should be able to understand this is a highly contestable theory and practice. If he or she wants to try it so be it, it is after all only a weed. I've tried it (I know, I know lol) and didn't see it as a good thing to do. Perhaps some need a kick in the ass to realize it hurts lol.
 
BDOGKush said:
Exactly and they name their books things like "Growing Bible", people take that misinformation as gospel, spread it all over the Internet and that's all a new grower finds.
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If you want a bonafide "bible" that is grounded in botany and common sense, buy Mel Frank's "MJ Growers Insider Guide".
 
it works I tried it on my last grow and it didn't hermie on me, my lower branches got so much light they popped out a lot of sites for flowers and I was very pleased. could've been good luck but its been 100% success rate for me :)
 
PatchKid said:
it works I tried it on my last grow and it didn't hermie on me, my lower branches got so much light they popped out a lot of sites for flowers and I was very pleased. could've been good luck but its been 100% success rate for me :)
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Depending on the strain I get lower branches that produce the same size buds as the main branch without any manipulation. Not sure if defoliation was the reason yours did that. Did you actually do a plant that was not touched to compare?
 
I try to bend and fold the leaves if necessary, odds are the light will still hit the big ass fan leave and it would still help generate energy
 
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Uncle Ben said:
If you want a bonafide "bible" that is grounded in botany and common sense, buy Mel Frank's "MJ Growers Insider Guide".
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Read it from cover to cover on this gentlemans advice! Made me a 10x better grower. It's based on plant botany not lots of forum posts that someone is calling a grow bible.
 
Leaves, fan or otherwise are the "solar panels" of a plant. with out them the plant produces less.. everything.
IMHumbleO
 
noob shit that seems to work for all vertical growers to the point were there over harvesting any horizontal grow? lol.. the plant doesn't need to be stripped bare.. I just pull the fans that block all the smaller branches.. and my yields have increased..

how can u say noob shit.. then why if u strip some fans. do the side branches catch up to the tops? but if u don't.. they stay small and then u need to chop em off kuz there wasting energy..

?/? cannabis growers are some of the best growers.. being able to grow amazing crops in a fake environment.. but honestly.. things work great on specific strains ive found.. anything with a more sativa hybrid.. defol worked better then on indicas. but I pull leaves off at end of stretch to allow the rest of the branches to get up.. but I don't pull every fan leaf .. not even close..

but I did test it .. side by side.. and the defol had bigger and more bud on it then the non.. so maybe outside when u have MORE THEN ENOUGH LIGHT.. u could say it dont matter.. but when ur growing inside.. the fans aren't all ness..

the people who dont try it.. are usually the ones that say it dont work.. or its noob shit.. lol

that's fine lol. I could careless what others think im just sharing what works for me.. that's why I said.. strain dependent. not for every single strain does defol work..


so would u say a plant with more fan leaves will grow more bud.. or will the plant with more roots grow more bud?
 
JointOperation said:
noob shit that seems to work for all vertical growers to the point were there over harvesting any horizontal grow? lol.. the plant doesn't need to be stripped bare.. I just pull the fans that block all the smaller branches.. and my yields have increased..

how can u say noob shit.. then why if u strip some fans. do the side branches catch up to the tops? but if u don't.. they stay small and then u need to chop em off kuz there wasting energy..

?/? cannabis growers are some of the best growers.. being able to grow amazing crops in a fake environment.. but honestly.. things work great on specific strains ive found.. anything with a more sativa hybrid.. defol worked better then on indicas. but I pull leaves off at end of stretch to allow the rest of the branches to get up.. but I don't pull every fan leaf .. not even close..

but I did test it .. side by side.. and the defol had bigger and more bud on it then the non.. so maybe outside when u have MORE THEN ENOUGH LIGHT.. u could say it dont matter.. but when ur growing inside.. the fans aren't all ness..

the people who dont try it.. are usually the ones that say it dont work.. or its noob shit.. lol

that's fine lol. I could careless what others think im just sharing what works for me.. that's why I said.. strain dependent. not for every single strain does defol work..


so would u say a plant with more fan leaves will grow more bud.. or will the plant with more roots grow more bud?
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at last a grower that know what he's talking about :)

I chop my plants back, remove a few large fan leaves ( works well on indica hybrid strains) get a large root mass and short stocky plant and flower :weed:
works wonders for me, but what do we know lol
 
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