Tell me why you pick Ron Paul ( besides his pro pot stance )

Id like to hear why you pick ron paul OTHER THAN his marijuana stance

the more i look around , the more it seems people are voting/pulling for RP ONLY because of his pro pot stance....

hate to break it to you but thats ignorant....his stance on pot will help however that should not be the only reason people vote for him
it's like the asswipes who voted for obama just because he is an african-american and not on policy

lets hear what you think RP is going to do for the country ( other than his pro pot stance....)

Apparently you havent read the dozens of RP threads over the past weeks and feel the need to start yet another one....

Who cares? They are jousting at windmills....

apparently i have looked thru the threads on rp and still choose to start a thread....

big deal? i think not............

you may not seem to care however i am curious so i started a thread

Kush70 said:

apparently i have looked thru the threads and still choose to start a thread....

big deal? i think not............

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Apparently you are not a regular around here....

lol..........

Liberty, Fiscal responsibility, Foreign policy..


Not saying I'm picking anyone in this, joke on the people, system... If I had too it would have to be Ron Paul.

really comfy slippers said:

Liberty, Fiscal responsibility, Foreign policy..


Not saying I'm picking anyone in this, joke on the people, system... If I had too it would have to be Ron Paul.

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in general politics are a joke ... just as all politicians are

unfortunately thats the way it goes

Kush70 said:

in general politics are a joke ... just as all politicians are

unfortunately thats the way it goes

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So you dont know anything about Ron Paul?

Smirgen said:

So you dont know anything about Ron Paul?

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I do know a few things about RP.....

I am really tired but I will quickly name a few to get you started. I WILL ONLY NAME WAYS IN WHICH HE DIFFERS FROM THE OTHER CANIDIDATES, NONE OF THE OTHER CANIDIDATES(including obama) SHARE THE TRAITS/VIEW BELOW.

Most importantly, Ron Paul is a man of great integrity and honesty, he doesn't take money from lobyist and corporations and he always backs the people. Ron Paul is uncorruptable and other members of congress don't approach him when they are trying to sneak a bill by the people because they know he will call them out (it has been said) and that he is uncorruptible. Ron Paul has stood alone in this as far as consistenty he is miles ahead of all, he has been consistent in everyhing he says and does for the last 30 years. Dr Paul has fought with other independt minded congressman and policical figures such as Bernie Sanders, Raplh Nader, Barnie Frank, and Dennis Kusinich on auditing the fed/Marijuana & Hemp Prohibition/etc....These men have always had our back...Only one is running for president.

Ron Paul is the only one against the Police State (Voted against Patriot act and NDAA). Ron Paul always votes based on the consitution.

Ron Paul was the first man to audit the fed since its inception in 1916, he found that they had 16 trillion (equal to our national debt) in funds unaccounted for, The fed is a private bank and very secretive. It prints money which causes inflation and makes us poor.

Ron Paul is againt all forien occuption and wants to immediently withdrawl all the troops from overseas and bring them home to defend our borders and work here to improve the economy. Ron Paul doesn't believe in undeclared wars and would end all the wars immedietly. Dr Paul is PRO diplomacy (talking things out) and against pre-emptive strikes, sanctions, and agression.

Ron Paul is against the prison industrial complex, he wants to pardon all non-violent criminals from jail and end the war on drugs. Ron Paul is against private prisons, secret prisons, and torture. Ron Paul thinks everyone should be treated equally and that miniorities are treated unfairly especially in the drug war, he doesn't believe in the death penalty.

Ron Paul doesn't think corporations are people and is against Citizens United.

Ron Paul is pro national soveriegnty, he voted against: NAFTA, TAFTA, GAT, etc...


Ron Paul is a Medical Doctor and a veteran.


The main reason everyone likes Ron Paul so much is because of libertarian political philosophy. The man is honest as they come and he speaks truths bombs.



More info: ronpaul2012.com

deprave said:

The main reason everyone likes Ron Paul so much is because of libertarian political philosophy.

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This new form of libertarian philosophy, complete with a ruthlessly "free-market", rather scares me. He insists that everything will correct itself if the markets are all "free" and I don't share in the faith but I admit it is a better plan than most candidates have. I just don't see how it isn't going to end up accelerating the endless growth paradigm and encouraging Americans to continue being wasteful consumers. He wants to close the EPA which is just irresponsible. I get that he wants a smaller government and believes that the government currently employs too many people, but really just let corporations do what ever they want? This will bring down gas prices and that will make it seem like a success.

I just don't like how he introduces his "free-market" idea as if it is the flip side of the personal liberty token. It gives a lot of people the feeling that personal liberty is a cause of conservative politicians. Personal liberty is by definition, liberal. I wonder if the word liberal will now be owned by Republicans. It is personal liberty but with focus on the liberties that rich people want. That he would also therefore be forced to give poor people and minorities personal liberties does seem to be worth it. I don't think that it will ever make the income gaps smaller, there will be a bigger divide between rich and poor than ever.

Despite these subtle fears, I may possibly vote for him. So he can even attract an arch-liberal such as myself. I'm attracted to the personal liberty promises.

Kush70 said:

Id like to hear why you pick ron paul OTHER THAN his marijuana stance

the more i look around , the more it seems people are voting/pulling for RP ONLY because of his pro pot stance....

hate to break it to you but thats ignorant....his stance on pot will help however that should not be the only reason people vote for him
it's like the asswipes who voted for obama just because he is an african-american and not on policy

lets hear what you think RP is going to do for the country ( other than his pro pot stance....)

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I think it is very ignorant to vote over anything you don't care about. Why would you vote over it? If it doesn't matter to you, and you vote over it, how do you vote? Do you just vote the way Fox News tells you to? Or do you just go anti-FoxNews on all the issues you don't understand?

Hate to break it to you but growing and smoking a plant is what the fuck I want to do with my freedom. Every four years I get the chance to vote for a candidate that will end the persecution that I have to face. Why should I let another four years go by with all these other issues being shoved down my throat that are "more important" than PERSONAL LIBERTY?

What about all the white supremacists who are going to vote for someone just because he is white?

Let me tell you something. There is never going to be anything more important than personal liberty. Take that piece of advice from a combat veteran and Oathkeeper.

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This new form of libertarian philosophy, complete with a ruthlessly "free-market", rather scares me. He insists that everything will correct itself if the markets are all "free" and I don't share in the faith but I admit it is a better plan than most candidates have. I just don't see how it isn't going to end up accelerating the endless growth paradigm and encouraging Americans to continue being wasteful consumers. He wants to close the EPA which is just irresponsible. I get that he wants a smaller government and believes that the government currently employs too many people, but really just let corporations do what ever they want? This will bring down gas prices and that will make it seem like a success.

I just don't like how he introduces his "free-market" idea as if it is the flip side of the personal liberty token. It gives a lot of people the feeling that personal liberty is a cause of conservative politicians. Personal liberty is by definition, liberal. I wonder if the word liberal will now be owned by Republicans. It is personal liberty but with focus on the liberties that rich people want. That he would also therefore be forced to give poor people and minorities personal liberties does seem to be worth it. I don't think that it will ever make the income gaps smaller, there will be a bigger divide between rich and poor than ever.

Despite these subtle fears, I may possibly vote for him. So he can even attract an arch-liberal such as myself. I'm attracted to the personal liberty promises.

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thats what sucks about voting for one guy... making the choice

you almost have to frankenstein pieces from all of them to make one good one

abandonconflict said:

This new form of libertarian philosophy, complete with a ruthlessly "free-market", rather scares me. He insists that everything will correct itself if the markets are all "free" and I don't share in the faith but I admit it is a better plan than most candidates have. I just don't see how it isn't going to end up accelerating the endless growth paradigm and encouraging Americans to continue being wasteful consumers. He wants to close the EPA which is just irresponsible. I get that he wants a smaller government and believes that the government currently employs too many people, but really just let corporations do what ever they want? This will bring down gas prices and that will make it seem like a success.

I just don't like how he introduces his "free-market" idea as if it is the flip side of the personal liberty token. It gives a lot of people the feeling that personal liberty is a cause of conservative politicians. Personal liberty is by definition, liberal. I wonder if the word liberal will now be owned by Republicans. It is personal liberty but with focus on the liberties that rich people want. That he would also therefore be forced to give poor people and minorities personal liberties does seem to be worth it. I don't think that it will ever make the income gaps smaller, there will be a bigger divide between rich and poor than ever.

Despite these subtle fears, I may possibly vote for him. So he can even attract an arch-liberal such as myself. I'm attracted to the personal liberty promises.

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Not a lot of time to write at the momment but...So here we go...Ron Paul believe you can't seperate personal and economic liberty which is true actually. You need both because If only super corporations are left to reign that are propped up by the governments, bailout, and regulations that they lobby for so it caters to their needs in giving them a monopoly of sorts then we are under corporate tyranny and we aren't free. It is either that or the free market which would be much more fair to everyone and not just giant super corporations. The idea that regulations keep the big corporations from growing out of control with power is a falesy, just look at the world today....so fair enough your argument next will be that the mega corporations would have some unsaid power by just buying everything up or something...Well as just one point they already have said power with or without regulations(further anti-trust remains intact and fraud/harm remains illegal)...

Onto your next point..Your next point is that he doesn't believe in social liberties like the republican's ...well thats just not true...anyway sorry for the mess and taking a crap here but I only had 5 minutes to write..talk to you later

Edit: ya explained that pretty poorly, I was typing sideways and haven't slept for 32 hours..anyway Ill jump back in here tommorow.

you can't seperate personal and economic liberty

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Yes, you shall be free to buy anything at Walmart.

...only super corporations are left to reign that are propped up by the governments...

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The context is that a free market doctrine will prevent this scenario. Look, if you want a totally free market, then you can't prohibit certain goods IE cannabis and you can't have patents either. You want free-market? You can't pick and choose what free means. The rules on the monopoly board don't favor you if you don't own any property but if you own a monopoly, you get to keep it forever. You seem to think that big government and big corporations like each other, they actually compete. If you hate big government, you don't solve the problem by encouraging big corporations to have more power. You give the power to the people. That is like going from Christian to devil worshiper instead of going from Christian to atheist. Don't replace one superstition with the opposite superstition.

The idea that regulations keep the big corporations from growing out of control with power is a falesy

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The idea that regulations designed to create jobs keep the corporations from growing out of control with power is a fallacy. Not all regulations fail to check the power of the corporations. The EPA is an example of a regulatory body that we actually need. A corporation exists solely to maximize profit margins, a government exists (should at least) to protect the freedoms and safety of it's citizens. I would rather the government have all means of production than corporations but either way, the people won't have them. I would also rather work for the government than for a corporation. Unless of course the only industry the government is in is war. Right now, we have the worst of both worlds, a military industrial complex. Corporations are waging war and dragging the country into it.

I think the rest of what you said reflects how tired you are so I will charitably excuse you from strict adherence to logic, at least as it pertains to debating with me, but it is also because I agree with most of your views. For me though, the corporations with politicians in their pockets are the bad guy, not the government.

I will just say ditto to what Deprave said earlier, and I will add this:

I like RP because he will abide by the written constitution. I like that because it gives all of us a firm framework from which to make decisions about our lives. The notion that the constitution is a "living document" is antithetical to freedom; if the constitution is subject to "reinterpretation" based on the whims of whichever political party is currently in office, then there really is no solid legal framework for the country; yesterday you were a citizen, today you are a criminal.

I know that adhering to the constitution makes some people crap their pants. Unclebuck seems convinced that George Wallace will be resurrected from his grave and will position himself in a school house door and intimidate ten year old black girls if the constitution is given its proper place as the highest law of our land, for example. Personally, I have no such fears.

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thats what sucks about voting for one guy... making the choice

you almost have to frankenstein pieces from all of them to make one good one

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Or force Noam Chomsky into politics.

I feel that he is the only presidential candidate that isn't lying. He speaks confidently and answers the question being asked while sticking to his morals. I believe honesty can be seen when he speaks, I hope anywayy... Paul or bust

I'm going to vote for obama. but i do like ron paul more than any of the republicans. i like his views on foreign policy and war. we need to stop giving so much money away and bring our people home.

"Personal liberty is by definition, liberal"

Tell that to Obama's goons as they arrest grandma for using cannabis as medicine.