Swiss Cheese 400W hps Grow Tent!

newworldicon · May 4, 2011

kostas420 said:
ok thanks i will wait until i start flowering as you said .. no i live in GAIA sorry im a bit paranoid i was thinking a lot of time if i should post a grow they are very strict on weed here, for growing you may end up locked inside up to 8 years... anw can you give an opinion on my second point also please? about when to change the cycle? i really appreciate the help you already offered sorry if i ask too much

Portugal??

Anyway it usually goes like this, your veg time relates to how big you want your plant to finish, they all will either double or triple in size during flower but that is down to strain and your growing conditions so you can use that as a yard stick.

Consider what size they will be when they finish in relation to how many plants you have and how much light you have, obviously there are limitations by your equipment.

More plant before flowering usually means more bud at harvest time but again taking conditions and all other factors it is relative.

I would let them get to a foot or so and then chuck em into flower, sounds about right with your amount of plants and light.

We all face prosecution or persecution.....grow safe!

Learning2Hydro · May 4, 2011

newworldicon said:
You can take clones in flower regiment as long as they are not that far in, i have successfully taken clones by nipping out flowers but they took longer to root, although they came back stronger and better after. It's size and maturity really that's important to me. Having enough branching to cut 4-5 inches to trim down to 3 and then in the root plug. This is my method though, there are many ways to skin the cat..

Edit: CFL's are always going to offer less usable light so growth may be slower and more compact offering less branching for potential clones, wait for the stretch or try to take your clones when preflowering starts and your full vegetative growth is fulfilled.

Sounds good. I have noticed the major growth after a week of 12/12. I think when I build my cabinet I am just going to go with a HPS or MH 400w setup or so. Just better and to build a CFL one it will cost almost as much in just 26w bulbs.

newworldicon · May 4, 2011

Learning2Hydro said:
Sounds good. I have noticed the major growth after a week of 12/12. I think when I build my cabinet I am just going to go with a HPS or MH 400w setup or so. Just better and to build a CFL one it will cost almost as much in just 26w bulbs.

Does this mean your CFL's are not in a designated grow space now?

You can build a box and chuck the HPS in...(I'd go HPS over CMH personally) and then use the CFL's as a clone/veg set up, that way you can do a mini perpetual with your existing equipment.

Learning2Hydro · May 4, 2011

newworldicon said:
Does this mean your CFL's are not in a designated grow space now?

You can build a box and chuck the HPS in...(I'd go HPS over CMH personally) and then use the CFL's as a clone/veg set up, that way you can do a mini perpetual with your existing equipment.

Correct, they are just open air in a room. No box yet. Saving up for it. Got to find the right cabinet and then design from there. Why HPS over MH? I am planning on a perpetual eventually, and it might be with the box I get now. Just have to see how big it is.

tristynhawk · May 4, 2011

Looks good bro i got of those swiss cheese this year but mine are headed outside. Keep up the good work

tristynhawk

kostas420 · May 5, 2011

newworldicon said:
Portugal??

Anyway it usually goes like this, your veg time relates to how big you want your plant to finish, they all will either double or triple in size during flower but that is down to strain and your growing conditions so you can use that as a yard stick.

Consider what size they will be when they finish in relation to how many plants you have and how much light you have, obviously there are limitations by your equipment.

More plant before flowering usually means more bud at harvest time but again taking conditions and all other factors it is relative.

I would let them get to a foot or so and then chuck em into flower, sounds about right with your amount of plants and light.

We all face prosecution or persecution.....grow safe!

yes i calculated the factors you mentioned you are absolutely right. its my first time growing an indica dominant plant and it is very compact at almost a month compared with sativas. i think the fact that i got a cooltube and lowered the lights a lot this grow contributed as well. my thought was if i finish my 3 plants at approx. 1 meter each , the 400w should be able to satisfy their light needs. i always flowered sativas at 1 month(around 30-40 cm) and ended up with plants of 1-1,5 meters that did really well. is it normal to be that compact even if it is an indica? i have massive new growth since the last pics but in width not height. i heightened the lights a bit to let them strech a bit ( i hope) but its been 2 days and they stayed compact as hell. they are at 17 cm approx. and its been 1 week.

kostas420 · May 5, 2011

tristynhawk said:
Looks good bro i got of those swiss cheese this year but mine are headed outside. Keep up the good work

tristynhawk

yeah i LOVED that strain from the moment i smoked it. i order 5 fem seeds and planted 3 indoor and 2 outdoors. ill post only the harvest part of the outdoor plants since its revealing the location very clearly :/ but ill keep you posted on the indoor grow throughout the whole life cycle

throw me a pm if you do a journal about your outdoor girls it would be awsome if i had someone to compare them as i cant ask for opinions or help with pics.

kostas420 · May 5, 2011

Learning2Hydro said:
Correct, they are just open air in a room. No box yet. Saving up for it. Got to find the right cabinet and then design from there. Why HPS over MH? I am planning on a perpetual eventually, and it might be with the box I get now. Just have to see how big it is.

i definitely agree with newworldicon on this one. the best combination is to use a MH for vegging and an HPS for flower. if you cant afford both of them CERTAINLY go for the HPS . MH will not satisfy your plants light needs at flowering and the yield will be dramatically decreased. the hps can handle the vegging stage as good as MH, and of course there are hps bulbs that are emitting up to 30% more light in the blue spectrum and that is what i use. ( that of course is IMO as other people say that MH will do wonders compared with HPS for veg)

newworldicon · May 5, 2011

kostas420 said:
yes i calculated the factors you mentioned you are absolutely right. its my first time growing an indica dominant plant and it is very compact at almost a month compared with sativas. i think the fact that i got a cooltube and lowered the lights a lot this grow contributed as well. my thought was if i finish my 3 plants at approx. 1 meter each , the 400w should be able to satisfy their light needs. i always flowered sativas at 1 month(around 30-40 cm) and ended up with plants of 1-1,5 meters that did really well. is it normal to be that compact even if it is an indica? i have massive new growth since the last pics but in width not height. i heightened the lights a bit to let them strech a bit ( i hope) but its been 2 days and they stayed compact as hell. they are at 17 cm approx. and its been 1 week.

It sounds to me like they are still growing to maturity and as yet have not started the stretch. You will see it very clearly when they do. Have they started to throw pistils yet or shown sex?

My experience of seeds thrown into flower very early on will continue to grow and veg on it's own time, the light schedule will not alter their processes until they have reached maturity which means you may have to wait a few more weeks, obviously they are still very young and small.

Although if you look up 12/12 from seed grow on here by Del66666 you will see very compact plants.

kostas420 · May 5, 2011

no they didnt show sex yet... so if i put them on 12/12 now or in just a week it will not make any major difference at the end and on the yeild? although i dont think i have enough experience yet to start a 12/12 from seed it seems a bit tricky

newworldicon · May 5, 2011

kostas420 said:
no they didnt show sex yet... so if i put them on 12/12 now or in just a week it will not make any major difference at the end and on the yeild? although i dont think i have enough experience yet to start a 12/12 from seed it seems a bit tricky

Nothing changes so it should be exactly the same, except that you will finish sooner than if you vegged. When I grew out seeds on 12/12 to get keepers they would take 4-5 weeks before starting to show sex and then shortly after starting the flowering process. So all in all it's the same process just made shorter. Also they yielded very close to their claimed potential too so I saw no significant loss.

Although I will state that different strains will respond differently, I have never down the swiss cheese. Currently I am working with these 2 strains..

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Space/World_of_Seeds_Bank/

http://www.marijuana-seeds.nl/medi-bud-seeds.html

Learning2Hydro · May 5, 2011

kostas420 said:
i definitely agree with newworldicon on this one. the best combination is to use a MH for vegging and an HPS for flower. if you cant afford both of them CERTAINLY go for the HPS . MH will not satisfy your plants light needs at flowering and the yield will be dramatically decreased. the hps can handle the vegging stage as good as MH, and of course there are hps bulbs that are emitting up to 30% more light in the blue spectrum and that is what i use. ( that of course is IMO as other people say that MH will do wonders compared with HPS for veg)

The 30% more being a difference in brands of the HPS bulbs? HPS sounds good to me, I will only be able to get one at this point. Thanks for the info again.

newworldicon · May 5, 2011

Learning2Hydro said:
The 30% more being a difference in brands of the HPS bulbs? HPS sounds good to me, I will only be able to get one at this point. Thanks for the info again.

Personally I see no use for MH unless you have big plants to veg and I would much rather flower under a HPS, you can look at dual spectrum bulbs if you want a bit of both.

kostas420 · May 5, 2011

newworldicon said:
Nothing changes so it should be exactly the same, except that you will finish sooner than if you vegged. When I grew out seeds on 12/12 to get keepers they would take 4-5 weeks before starting to show sex and then shortly after starting the flowering process. So all in all it's the same process just made shorter. Also they yielded very close to their claimed potential too so I saw no significant loss.

Although I will state that different strains will respond differently, I have never down the swiss cheese. Currently I am working with these 2 strains..

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Space/World_of_Seeds_Bank/

http://www.marijuana-seeds.nl/medi-bud-seeds.html

hmmm alright then i will not switch them right now but i will by the end of this week and will not postpone further. thanks for all the input man

i really appreciate it! i see you are an indica lover that medibud seems HARDCORE yielding

good luck with it and if you find the opportunity post some pics i really want to check it out. thanks again !!

newworldicon · May 5, 2011

kostas420 said:
hmmm alright then i will not switch them right now but i will by the end of this week and will not postpone further. thanks for all the input man i really appreciate it! i see you are an indica lover that medibud seems HARDCORE yielding good luck with it and if you find the opportunity post some pics i really want to check it out. thanks again !!

Here is the medi bud in action, the first is a church plant but the others are medi. Both are a hybrid of Indica and Sativa actually, I prefer that. The space is also a hybrid.

The medi is wonderful, huge single colas of goodness.

https://www.rollitup.org/members/newworldicon-267502/albums/bud-pics-22848/

This is the medi bud clone at 17 days into flower. Started at 4 inches and in the pic around 12 inches. They grow into a dense single cola. Unfortunately I have lost my SD card for the camera so have not been taking further pics this last month.

kostas420 · May 5, 2011

newworldicon said:
Here is the medi bud in action, the first is a church plant but the others are medi. Both are a hybrid of Indica and Sativa actually, I prefer that. The space is also a hybrid.

The medi is wonderful, huge single colas of goodness.

https://www.rollitup.org/members/newworldicon-267502/albums/bud-pics-22848/

This is the medi bud clone at 17 days into flower. Started at 4 inches and in the pic around 12 inches. They grow into a dense single cola. Unfortunately I have lost my SD card for the camera so have not been taking further pics this last month.

they are all wonderfull man !!!! enjoy them with your heart i wish i could try a bit from every girl you have there

thanks for everything +rep ! ill keep you all posted with pics in the next week!

newworldicon · May 5, 2011

kostas420 said:
they are all wonderfull man !!!! enjoy them with your heart i wish i could try a bit from every girl you have there thanks for everything +rep ! ill keep you all posted with pics in the next week!

Cool, we look forward to seeing the clones as well then :-)

kostas420 · May 12, 2011

i am glad to inform everyone that i switched to 12/12. i will post photos tonight when the lights will be on

kostas420 · May 14, 2011

here are the pictures i promised sorry for the delay .i didnt cloned yet. u will get pictures of the clones as soon i clone

Learning2Hydro · May 14, 2011

Looking nice kostas.

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