Surrender Your Guns, Police Tell Hawaiian Medical Marijuana Patients

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana News' started by gb123, Nov 28, 2017.


    gb123 Well-Known Member

    WTF sick people are not allowed to defend themselves either? fought to treat themselves now they have to fight to defend?????:cuss:

    The Honolulu Police Department has sent letters to local medical marijuana patients ordering them to “voluntarily surrender” their firearms because of their MMJ status.

    This may be the first time a law enforcement agency has sought out state-registered medical marijuana patients and ordered them to surrender their guns.
    The letters, signed by Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard, inform patients that they have 30 days upon receipt of the letter to transfer ownership or turn in their firearms and ammunition to the Honolulu Police.

    The existence of the notices, first reported early today by Russ Belville atThe Marijuana Agenda podcast, was confirmed to Leafly News this afternoon by the Honolulu Police Department.

    The startling order comes just three months after the state’sfirst medical marijuana dispensary openedin Hawaii’s capital city.

    The clash between state marijuana laws and federal firearms law—which prohibits all cannabis patients and consumers from purchasing firearms—is a growing point of legal contention in the 29 states with medical marijuana laws. The Honolulu letters, however, may represent the first time a law enforcement agency has proactively sought out state-registered medical marijuana patients and ordered them to surrender their guns.

    First Medical Cannabis Dispensary Opening in Hawaii

    Federal law clearly prohibits anyone who consumes cannabis—for any reason, and regardless of state legality—from purchasing a firearm. On the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) Form 1140-0020, which must be completed by firearm purchasers, applicants are asked if they are “an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance.”

    In case it’s unclear to the applicant, the ATF includes this warning in bold type:

    Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

    Can Medical Marijuana Patients Legally Own Guns?

    Federal Court Upheld the Ban
    Many state laws allow patients to medicate with cannabis, but the federal prohibition on cannabis consumption crosses that legality when it comes tofirearms. The supremacy of federal law on this point wasupheldlast year by the9th US Circuit Court of Appeals.

    “It may be argued that medical marijuana users are less likely to commit violent crimes, as they often suffer from debilitating illnesses, for which marijuana may be an effective palliative,” the federal ruling stated. “But those hypotheses are not sufficient to overcome Congress’s reasonable conclusion that the use of such drugs raises the risk of irrational or unpredictable behavior with which gun use should not be associated.”

    Guns or Cannabis: Which Is More Strictly Regulated?

    State Law Applies
    The Honolulu Police Department cites state law, not federal law, as the basis for the order. “Under the provisions of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, Section 134-7(a), you are disqualified from firearms ownership,” says the letter.

    Curiously, HRS 134-7(a) makes no specific mention of a person’s medical marijuana status. It’s a blanket statement about federal law:

    134-7(a) No person who is a fugitive from justice or is a person prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition under federal law shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.

    Until now, the clash between firearm ownership and patient status has been largely avoided through ade facto“don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. Firearms purchasers are forced to either lie on the ATF form (a federal offense), or tell themselves they’re technically honest—the ATF form asks, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana,” and those who quit cannabis yesterday technicallywerebut no longerareunlawful users of marijuana.

    Do Medical Marijuana Patients Give Up Their Right to Bear Arms?

    A number of states issue medical cannabis patient cards or authorizations but do not keep a searchable database of patient names. In some medical cannabis states, like Arizona, firearm purchasers are not required to register with the state.

    Hawaii, though, maintains an electronic database of both firearm purchasers, who must complete both the federal ATF and astate permit application, and medical marijuana patients. That allowed the Honolulu police to cross-check and compile a list of MMJ patients in the state’s firearms registry
    Rob Roy

    Rob Roy Well-Known Member

    They should tell the police to voluntarily pull their heads out of their own asses.

    stoned-monkey Well-Known Member

    no one should have to choose between there freedoms.
    the law can be sooo simple, don't harm anyone or infringe on someone else's right and your free to do what you want.
    Rob Roy likes this.

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Yet another example of America's willingness to trample our constitutional rights.

    They only get away with it because we let them.

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    When it was fully prohibited many of us carried guns in this industry. The gun combined with any drug offense (even a roach in New Jersey. A friend was busted for a pipe and a single seed in his car ashtray once) has always resulted in a max felony conviction.

    Of course the people that want to rip off had guns. The police had guns. The customers had guns.........

    And the product was extremely valuable. It still is. Even half price like today. I miss my gun. I don't feel safe growing unarmed. Always going to be thieves. And police with agendas. My gun made me feel safer than this hokey marijuana card they gave me. I might as well have just given the government a gps coordinate to come right to my house.

    But it's not like they can just re legislate everything at once. It's wrong. We all deal with it. The existing laws aren't so fair or consistent either.

    The plants and flowers are illegal in reality anyway still. It is going to take a lot more time and it is not going to be a home grower market anyway looks like.

    They will more likely allow us to keep our guns than our plants in this country.

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