Sure to grow, Higromite silica stone or Hydroton grow rocks?

sweetkush

Well-Known Member
i'm thinking on buying an ebb n flo system, but i'm wondering which medium is better (Sure to grow, Higromite silica stone or Hydroton grow rocks?)? or is it just an opinion?

thanks
 

whitefrost

Active Member
if you dont want to clean media go with the sure to grow but if you dont want rebuy media every grow get grow rocks ive used sunleaves rocks for the last few grows it works great but its a pain to clean and its half the price of hydroton
 

fatman7574

New Member
Silica soil, silica sand, silica rock. It is quartz. Nothing special. Pretty close to inert. The silica soil can have some CEC issues, but not the sand or therocks. Silca rounded rocks are easy on the roots as there are no sharp edges. They are avilable at about all pet stores as aquarium substrate. Sand does not breath well so DO is typically lower than with the larger sand or the rounder larger rocks that have larger channels between them (pore space) but you need to water more often withthe larger rocks. Lava rock holds to many nutrient salts and is defintely not root friendl as it has lot and lots of sharp edges. Hydroton is really not a good media as it is too porous and soaks up way to many nutrients. It at takes literally 4 or 5 weeks of soaking used hydroton is frequently changed water to remove all the nutrients they soak up in just one grow.

So really both your proffered choices suck. Think inert and very well draining. That is what hydro is all about.
 

GringoLoco

Well-Known Member
Sure To Grow is PET - Polyester Fiber. Pillow or fiber fill works great and is very cheap; works best when mixed with another medium.
 

fatman7574

New Member
Sure To Grow is PET - Polyester Fiber. Pillow or fiber fill works great and is very cheap; works best when mixed with another medium.
And like rock wool polyester fiber is recommended for experienced growers not newbies as it is a medium that is easy to water log and therefore it has inherent problems with root root, pythium and damp off unless care is taken not to over water. Both polyster and rock wool are often listed as medium for advanced/experienced growers due to these problems.
 

zero1776

Active Member
And like rock wool polyester fiber is recommended for experienced growers not newbies as it is a medium that is easy to water log and therefore it has inherent problems with root root, pythium and damp off unless care is taken not to over water. Both polyster and rock wool are often listed as medium for advanced/experienced growers due to these problems.
Fat man I have been looking into different mediums to use in aero I would prefer just some device that could support the plant and just hang the roots in only air cannot find anything for the size of plants I would like to grow what would be your ideal choice of mediums if you have to use one. I currently use hydroton. I thought about glass marbles I have large neoprene pucks to block light from the root zone.What are your thoughts on this
 

sweetkush

Well-Known Member
Silica soil, silica sand, silica rock. It is quartz. Nothing special. Pretty close to inert. The silica soil can have some CEC issues, but not the sand or therocks. Silca rounded rocks are easy on the roots as there are no sharp edges. They are avilable at about all pet stores as aquarium substrate. Sand does not breath well so DO is typically lower than with the larger sand or the rounder larger rocks that have larger channels between them (pore space) but you need to water more often withthe larger rocks. Lava rock holds to many nutrient salts and is defintely not root friendl as it has lot and lots of sharp edges. Hydroton is really not a good media as it is too porous and soaks up way to many nutrients. It at takes literally 4 or 5 weeks of soaking used hydroton is frequently changed water to remove all the nutrients they soak up in just one grow.

So really both your proffered choices suck. Think inert and very well draining. That is what hydro is all about.

okay! so what would you use?
 

fatman7574

New Member
Aero is medium less. It is a plant with roots suspended in air. The idea is to have the clone just stuck in a net pot and put the pot in a cut hole in your aero chambers top. Let the plants roots growing in air. Essentially that means your grow nedium is AIR??? If growing from seed then start the seed in perlite, vermiculite, sand, aquarium gravel etc until the roots develop then carefully remove the plant for the media with and with as little media as possible still attached transfer the root seedling to a net pot. The neoprene disks with a slit that fits the top of the net pot will hold the seeding until a larger root system develops.

The problem with most aero systems is to many people have read the dumb ass threads like Earls about using 3" or 4" tubes for aero systems. Aero roots should never lay in water but should hang free in air. This means very, very large tubes or better yet chambers.

2" net pots can easily support SOG plants that are say 12" to 15" tall. Taller than this in SOG usually means 3" or 3.5" net pots. If the plants are not SOG then small pots can often be in sufficient. There are a lot of huge trees grown in large net pots without and medium at all. there are many rubbermaid trash cans with just one large plants growing from them with just 4 or five sprayers or misters. If you do want some medium to support your large plants for aero with large pots I would recommend small bio balls to fill all but the top inch. Use marbles, rubber mulch or round arquarium rocks for the top inch. Just about every pet store sells bags of rounded rocks that are about 3/8" to 1/2" in diameter. They are just quartz rocks. Quartz is just silica. Inert and non absorbent when in a rock form. You want something that is totally non absorbent. IE no rock wool as it water logs to easily, no hydroton or coconut fibers etc as they both hold water and nutrients.

Even with SOG in aero the tubes or chambers should allow for at least two feet of vertical root length and the bottom of your tubes or chambers should not have water standing in it that roots that reach that level must lay in. AERO is not part aero and part DWC, nor is it part part aero and part NTF. Aero is aero.
 

zero1776

Active Member
Aero is medium less. It is a plant with roots suspended in air. The idea is to have the clone just stuck in a net pot and put the pot in a cut hole in your aero chambers top. Let the plants roots growing in air. Essentially that means your grow nedium is AIR??? If growing from seed then start the seed in perlite, vermiculite, sand, aquarium gravel etc until the roots develop then carefully remove the plant for the media with and with as little media as possible still attached transfer the root seedling to a net pot. The neoprene disks with a slit that fits the top of the net pot will hold the seeding until a larger root system develops.

The problem with most aero systems is to many people have read the dumb ass threads like Earls about using 3" or 4" tubes for aero systems. Aero roots should never lay in water but should hang free in air. This means very, very large tubes or better yet chambers.

2" net pots can easily support SOG plants that are say 12" to 15" tall. Taller than this in SOG usually means 3" or 3.5" net pots. If the plants are not SOG then small pots can often be in sufficient. There are a lot of huge trees grown in large net pots without and medium at all. there are many rubbermaid trash cans with just one large plants growing from them with just 4 or five sprayers or misters. If you do want some medium to support your large plants for aero with large pots I would recommend small bio balls to fill all but the top inch. Use marbles, rubber mulch or round arquarium rocks for the top inch. Just about every pet store sells bags of rounded rocks that are about 3/8" to 1/2" in diameter. They are just quartz rocks. Quartz is just silica. Inert and non absorbent when in a rock form. You want something that is totally non absorbent. IE no rock wool as it water logs to easily, no hydroton or coconut fibers etc as they both hold water and nutrients.

Even with SOG in aero the tubes or chambers should allow for at least two feet of vertical root length and the bottom of your tubes or chambers should not have water standing in it that roots that reach that level must lay in. AERO is not part aero and part DWC, nor is it part part aero and part NTF. Aero is aero.
Thanx for that reply thought about using just the neoprene disk in my 3in cup by its self may try a few diferint methods with the mediums you mentioned and see what works best for me.will defiantly try to develop a air only setup that can support my plants I have a few ideas You have been most helpful to me while I get this aero build down.
 

Jason9922

Active Member
Silica soil, silica sand, silica rock. It is quartz. Nothing special. Pretty close to inert. The silica soil can have some CEC issues, but not the sand or therocks. Silca rounded rocks are easy on the roots as there are no sharp edges. They are avilable at about all pet stores as aquarium substrate. Sand does not breath well so DO is typically lower than with the larger sand or the rounder larger rocks that have larger channels between them (pore space) but you need to water more often withthe larger rocks. Lava rock holds to many nutrient salts and is defintely not root friendl as it has lot and lots of sharp edges. Hydroton is really not a good media as it is too porous and soaks up way to many nutrients. It at takes literally 4 or 5 weeks of soaking used hydroton is frequently changed water to remove all the nutrients they soak up in just one grow.

So really both your proffered choices suck. Think inert and very well draining. That is what hydro is all about.
Than may I ask what you believe is the best medium for hydroponics?
 

SativaSumo

Well-Known Member
Currently using aquarium rocks and so far they... well, they rock.

I'll show myself out the door now. bongsmilie

But seriously, other than the bad pun this is only my first grow, so don't take anything I say too religiously.
 

bird mcbride

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In F&D I use the floaty kind of hydroton. I use straight hydroton for the budders but I don't mind mixing them with the lava rock grow pellets which are about the same size 50/50. :) For the moms I place about a 1" layer of ordinary gravel in the base of the trough then I add crushed up lava rock for propane barbecues mixed with lava rock pellets. I don't put floaty hydroton in the moms trough.

I use the smallest piece of rockwool as practical. Recently I have figured how to use the soft rockwool which comes in a bail like fiberglass insulation. One bag would last a 1kw grow for a decade:)
 
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