SUPERthrive or Superjive?

Uncle Ben

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What I've been saying, that Superthrive might be good at initiating root output at transplanting. Here is a noteworthy experiment someone did regarding its merits.

The question of the value of Superthrive as a miracle tonic for plants is often bandied about in horticultural circles. Several years ago, after reading claims that range from "I put it on and my plant, which had never bloomed, was in full bloom the next day" to "It was dead - I put Superthrive on it and the next day it was alive and beautiful, growing better than it ever had before", I decided to find out for myself. If you look for information on the net, you’ll find the manufacturer’s claims and anecdotal observations, totally lacking in anything that resembles anything like a control. Though my experiments were far from scientific, I tried to keep some loose controls in place so that I could make a fair judgment of its value, based my own observations. Here is what I did, what I found, and the conclusions I made about my use of Superthrive.

On four separate occasions, I took multiple cuttings from the same plant. The plant materials I used were: Ficus benjamina, (a tropical weeping fig) Luna apiculata (Peruvian myrtle), Chaenorrhinum minus (a dwarf snapdragon), and an unknown variety of Coleus. In each instance, I prepared cuttings from the same plant and inserted them in a very fast, sterile soil. Half of the cuttings were soaked in a Superthrive solution of approximately 1/2 tsp per gallon of water. The other half of the cuttings were watered in with water. In subsequent waterings, I would water the "Superthrive batch" of cuttings with a solution of 10 drops per gallon and the others with water. The same fertilizer regimen was followed on both groups of cuttings. In all four instances, the cuttings that I used Superthrive on rooted first. For this reason, it follows that they would naturally exhibit better development, though I could see no difference in vitality, once rooted. I can also say that a slightly higher percentage f cuttings rooted that were treated to the Superthrive treatment. I suspect that is directly related to the effects of the auxin in Superthrive hastening root initiation before potential vascular connections were destroyed by rot causing organisms.

In particular, something I looked for because of my affinity for compact branching in plants was branch (stem) extension. Though the cuttings treated with Superthrive rooted sooner, they exhibited the same amount of branch extension. In other words, internode length was approximately equal.

As a second part to each of my "experiments", I divided the group of cuttings that had not been treated with Superthrive into two groups. One of the groups remained on the water only program, while the other group was treated to a 10 drop per gallon solution of Superthrive. Again, the fertilizer regimen was the same for both groups. By summer’s end, I could detect no difference in bio-mass or vitality between the two groups of plants.


Since I replicated the above in four different trials, using four different plant materials, I’m confident in drawing some conclusions as they apply to me and my growing habits or abilities. First, based on my observations, I have concluded that Superthrive holds value for me as a rooting aid, or stimulant if you prefer. I regularly soak the soil, usually overnight, of my newly root-pruned and usually bare-rooted repots in a solution of 1/2 tsp Superthrive per gallon of water.

Second, and also based on my observations, I don’t bother with its use at any time other than at repotting. No evidence was accumulated through the 4 trials to convince me that Superthrive was of any value as a "tonic" for plants with roots that were beyond the initiation or recovery stage.

The first ingredient listed as beneficial on the Superthrive label is vitamin B-1 (or thiamine). Growing plants are able to synthesize their own vitamin B-1 as do many of the fungi and bacteria having relationships with plant roots, so it's extremely doubtful that vitamin B-1 could be deficient in soils or that a growing plant could exhibit a vitamin B-1 deficiency.

Some will note that I used more of the product than suggested on the container. I wanted to see if any unwanted effects surfaced as well as trying to be sure there was ample opportunity for clear delineation between the groups. I suspect that if a more dilute solution was used, the difference between groups would have been less clear.

It might be worth noting that since the product contains the growth regulator (hormone) auxin, its overuse can cause defoliation, at least in dicots.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg031955499481.html
 

algeezy509

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brilliant fucking post i use super thrive for the youngins and they're sproutin up quicker than last time.
 

deflator

Active Member
Nice find, anything that has to have such a snappy name as "superthrive" smells to me like hype.

Anyone want some Advanced Nutrients SuperDuperBlossomPossum? Only 69.99 a quart...
 

shoemaker

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Great Post Uncle Ben, I confess to lurking on your posts. i have been reading these post for a while. I started my first grow and hadn't done enough research and i fell into the noob traps of total overkill, ya know , i killed em all, cept 2 girls, which i have flowering now - All thanks to your posts. If i am out of line let me know, i have never posted before, anywhere. I dare to ask a question but i have looked all i can and i can't find the answer, I have a new plant Super Skunk, she looks very ill, your post said new yellow leaves with green veins usually indicate an iron def., if i read right??? well, i didn't really find a cure for it besides putting nails in the soil. I normally wouldn't ask, but a seed bank recommended here sent me 30 seeds, out of which 12 germed and only 8 made it to the first sets of round leaves. I have ordered from The Attitude now and expect better results. Since then i have germinated some BS and grown to flowering stage sucessfully mostly thanks to u.
IT TRULY IS, LESS IS MORE, WATER YOUR PLANTS LIKE UNCLE SAYS AND LET THEM TELL U WHAT THEY NEED, i almost killed mine from trying not to overwater, when i follwed ur inst. i had amazing growth every day.
Sorry for rambling, just excited to finally find an Expert Grower that doesn't make growing a weed sound like rocket science.

THANKS, Lets Roll !!
 

kjar

Active Member
I've read that vitamin B-1 products are best for stressed/damaged plants. so if you are taking good care of your plants then adding superthrive won't really help to much.

interesting post
 

captain insaneo

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I use it after I bonsai moms. I am not looking for super growth I am only looking to reduce stress.

Now if only there was some magical chemical I could use to reduce stress in my life... oh wait there it is... mmmm gin and tonic, ahhh!
 

YungMoolaBaby

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I'll put few drops of super thrive in a gallon of water and it seems to work. But it smells fucking something awful.
 

CLOSETGROWTH

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It works good for me. But, If you get the stuff on your hands/fingers,.. it will be stinkin' all day long no matter how many times ya wash your hands.
 

ataxia

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Great F'n post UB. always have great information to share. agree with your control study. superthirve is best for roots. Never let me down during transplanting.
 

jray2469

Member
Testing super thrive has done wonders for my 4'7" nyc diesel but its alot of commen sense!
Shurely your tests have value but now lets figure in the rest of the aquasion,
great for forming a great root mass.
Great for early morning foliar feeding while in veg only!
Great for cloning!
Works good during flowering only before water change because of the amount of nitrogen in the shit!
When i use it i do so as per the lable or less. Just like for us humans to much of somthing never has a good outcome, like booze or even killa dank lol shit can cause a panic attack that will f u up for life.
I know first hand, tried some elephant bud and damn near shit myself and was trippin out. Made my heart feel like jumping out a damn plane with no shoot!
 

Snak

Active Member
But... but.. but... Thats not what the guy at the hydro store told me!!!! ;-)

Once again, great info, and thanks.
 

stelthy

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Super jive is a rip off of super thrive, thrive has been around for years its the origional cheaper and better it is @ super concentrate strength, and smells god-awfull kinda like marmite but worse lol, however it does work and i ve used it with all my grows ill post a pic of all my nuits hope thats ok, peace, - stelthy :)
 

stelthy

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Testing super thrive has done wonders for my 4'7" nyc diesel but its alot of commen sense!
Shurely your tests have value but now lets figure in the rest of the aquasion,
great for forming a great root mass.
Great for early morning foliar feeding while in veg only!
Great for cloning!
Works good during flowering only before water change because of the amount of nitrogen in the shit!
When i use it i do so as per the lable or less. Just like for us humans to much of somthing never has a good outcome, like booze or even killa dank lol shit can cause a panic attack that will f u up for life.
I know first hand, tried some elephant bud and damn near shit myself and was trippin out. Made my heart feel like jumping out a damn plane with no shoot!
lOL, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN LOL, WEED N SHROOMS HAD THE SAME EFFECT ON ME LOL WAS TRIPPIN BALLS!! STICK TO THE DOSAGE OR LESS!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Uncle Ben

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Great Post Uncle Ben, I confess to lurking on your posts.....

THANKS, Lets Roll !!
Nice confession, thanks. :D Oh yeah, welcome to the thread.

Great F'n post UB. always have great information to share. agree with your control study. superthirve is best for roots. Never let me down during transplanting.
Speaking of confessions, I've been using it for transplanting for decades only for the auxin. If you do some research, you'll find that used too much or incorrectly it will work against you. It's like anything else, use in moderation or not at all.
 

Mr Muggles

Member
I like the post the LOWES near my house has this stuff in huge gallon jugs and right next to the door I snagged one on the way out I will check it out
 

terrorizer805

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I love super thrive I always use it when cloning.
I had a feeling this stuff made my cuttings root out faster and now there is proof.
Great post UB :leaf:
 

seasmoke

Active Member
I made the baby food like you said Uncle Ben, they freaking love it. I'll use the ST as root supplement only. Thanks for the post, I would have wasted this stuff without it.
 
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