Superstoner's new 3 rail, 50gal system, 36-40oz every 2 weeks.

superstoner1 said:

Thank dawg. Guys, the system can be made in just about any size, you just have to make it to fit. It could be single, double, or triple rail. Anything less than 8' ceiling would be hard.

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What I have done is use a condensate pump that pumps fluid back up to my reservoir tank slammed my rails to the floor to gain enough room to use de bulbs.

hammer21 said:

What I have done is use a condensate pump that pumps fluid back up to my reservoir tank slammed my rails to the floor to gain enough room to use de bulbs.

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Do you have a picture of the set up? It would be great. Thanks.

Tone5500 said:

Ok thanx that what I really needed to know the space I'm growing in is 8x4x8 closest but there's no door so I was going to get a tent but not going to spend 600-700 on a tent ill just buy some sliding doors for te closet and lightproof it thanx again

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Not sure if youve given it any thought but I use light blocking curtains and velcro to divide shed into separate rooms. I had a bitch of a time making the doors light proof. In saying that I wonder if the mirrored doors turned backwards (facing in) would work? Sorry for going off topic SS!!

Ok so I'm getting serious about these rails! If I ask questions that have been answered in previous posts forgive me. I am thinking of making the rails modular so they can be easily moved from room to room individually. How do you accomplish the switching from root to veg to flower? Have you had nozzles plug and if yes how is that dealt with? What is the drain tray made from? Is there a noticeable difference in the uninsulated rail? Have you tried running pump continuously? The reason I ask that is my plants seem to do better when doing that. Thanks for any advice SS.

waterdawg said:

Ok song serious about these rails! If I ask questions that have been answered in previous posts forgive me. I am thinking of making the rails modular so they can be easily moved from room to room individually. How do you accomplish the switching from root to veg to flower? Have you had nozzles plug and if yes how is that dealt with? What is the drain tray made from? Is there a noticeable difference in the uninsulated rail? Have you tried running pump continuously? The reason I ask that is my plants seem to do better when doing that. Thanks for any advice SS.

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This system is modular, all rails can be easily removed seperately.
I remove the plants from clone and pop into vegger, from vegger to flower I set system up and get res ready then i go get plants from veg room and take them to flower rrorrom and put them in the rails.
I have never worried about clogged sprayers, the system is redundant. My sprayers are in the middle of two plants.
Drain can be made from 2-3" round PVC or fence rails.
There is a difference but I'm waiting til harvest to actually judge it.
I would never run the pump continuously. What a waste oof electricity. Not to mention the heat in the res. I spent a lot of time over many harvests to dial in pump timing.

Yep, Agree with SS.

with pump timings. least time but as healthy as possible. Is best.

I like 30 seconds on 5 minutes off. I have been using that recently with no ill affects. I used to do 1 minute on 8 minutes off as well. In general they the pumps dont need to be on for more than 1 minutes. I like less, 30 seconds. Because of this I don't need to use chillers, if I keep my night time temps i the mid to high 60's

Ya I tried timing the flood but the plants and the water seemed to do better but I will revisit that. So you do move the rail then as needed? How is the header to the sprayer pipes fastened? Again sorry if stupid questions, just trying to get head around all this. I'm starting to get things ready for the cooler weather.

All spray bar fittings are PVC and not glued, they easily twist apart. I just tonight turned my unit 180° and then slid it across the flower room to another position. I did it with the system complete and 11 plants 2weeks into flower and res empty, it took only a minute and was extremely easy. No leaks at all in 2 weeks.

Thanks SS I will definatly be incorporating some of your design into my setup. Also even if there was a slight leak it looks like the joints are all inside the system, great setup! With my trays and still doing seed grows I have been struggling to dial it in. With only 8x8 I struggle with room as well! How many days from cutting till move into flower, just curious if time is shortened when doing clones compared to seed? It is about 35 days total for most of the strains I do. If I wait longer in veg they become to big for the area. Thanks for your time!

35 days to root then veg is about perfect for my set up. Cuttings are faster, at that time period I end up with 28-36"plants ready for flower

I've tried about 20 different strains and still looking for that perfect strain or two to clone lol. I like White Russian but dealing with the height is a bitch. Thanks again! I'll be watching this one. Of all the strains you have run what would be the top 5 for potency, taste, and quantity if all three parameters were considered?

My top two all strains are blue god and mystery(a strain created by an old friend). Of the 50+ strains I've run in this system I only had a few that were keepers, it takes a while. I only have 7strains at the moment which is low but looking at new seeds tonight.
Here are a few pics of the girls. Sorry for the lighting discolouration, but they are at 2weeks tonight and looking great.

And here are a couple of the veg/clone room. The new 4 tub vegger is letting the branches grow much better to accommodate the larger spacing of the new flower system. The plants go from cloner(on floor) to veg tub on left of pic and then are rotated around. The 2 tubs on the left are for the next rotation and will be going into flower tomorrow. And a pic of the folding drying racks with some big bud x white widow cross.

Ok starting to get it lol. You rotate the plant not the rails. Roots are not an issue when you move them? I haven't tried that, fearing I would rip the crap out of them. I haven't decided what to run yet but will start reading some journals to see whats out there. I will look at blue god as well if its available at the seed store here. I have been getting some pretty diverse pheno's with the newer strains, lots of inferior crap mixed with a couple of nice ones.

SS ingenuity runs in your blood!

superstoner1 said:

I never add back to a res. When the last res gets low i will add water only until harvest but i never add more nutes to used res. The drawback IS that you dont know what is left in the res and the ratios are screwed.

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have you tried this to see how the plants respond ?

Why would I do something I know is not the best for my plants? Common sense is enough for some things.

Just a newbs perspective but when I add back the res gets all out of wack and ph is hard to control. I just change it when ph starts to drop below 5.8 which is typically once a week in mid flower.

SS I'm going to germinate some seeds in rapid rooter plugs would I be able once they have good roots be able to pop the plugs in the vegger or would u suggest putting the plugs in some dwc buckets and growing them out to we're I can take cuttings and then just use the neocollors???

I pop seeds in a glass of water and then put them in the little jiffy pucks(the ones that expand) then in to the vegger and on to flower. I've never had a problem with them, they stay together well.