SuperSoil ... all the way?

How good is Fox Farms Ocean Soil? I know that it is too potent for seedlings and young plants. But is it strong enough to make it two and a half months through veg, with out supplement? This is my question.

Here is my reasoning:

My friend and I are currently working on a "Living Super Soil" for our vegetating plants. We have removed some of the phosphate from the mixture so it should work with vegging plants. We have high hopes for this. Our goals with this idea are to never have to use bottled nutrients, and only water our plants with nice ph'd oxygenated water, from start to finish.

Thoughts are welcome and appreciated

Leave the Phos. in for the veg phase. It will help a great deal.

Kaptain Kronic said:

How good is Fox Farms Ocean Soil? I know that it is too potent for seedlings and young plants. But is it strong enough to make it two and a half months through veg, with out supplement? This is my question.

Here is my reasoning:

My friend and I are currently working on a "Living Super Soil" for our vegetating plants. We have removed some of the phosphate from the mixture so it should work with vegging plants. We have high hopes for this. Our goals with this idea are to never have to use bottled nutrients, and only water our plants with nice ph'd oxygenated water, from start to finish.

Thoughts are welcome and appreciated

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Go for it. Ffof can work just fine with added airation. All through veg. Im a bit confused tho. Why are you working on living soil obly through veg? Are you planning on going to a bottled nutient after?

Or just transplant from ff a few weeks before your flip into a ammended soil. And btw phing water with water only soil grows is usually counter productive. Nutrients from bottles have to be in your ph mark for uptake. Nutients from soil are being activated or made available from beneficial bacteria and fungi. Among many other living things. In fact the plant itself and microherd communicate and live symbioticaly. And ph should be controlled by building buffers into soil way ahead of time.

But. Glad to see your interest in living soil growing. It is humbling to grow this way. You will find the less we get involved the better. Plants grow themselves.

Kaptain Kronic said:

How good is Fox Farms Ocean Soil? I know that it is too potent for seedlings and young plants. But is it strong enough to make it two and a half months through veg, with out supplement? This is my question.

Here is my reasoning:

My friend and I are currently working on a "Living Super Soil" for our vegetating plants. We have removed some of the phosphate from the mixture so it should work with vegging plants. We have high hopes for this. Our goals with this idea are to never have to use bottled nutrients, and only water our plants with nice ph'd oxygenated water, from start to finish.

Thoughts are welcome and appreciated

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I never had any issues with it being too strong for young plants or seedlings, yea maybe not to germinate in, but once there are roots developed..
And your answer depends on the size of the container man, strain growth, lights, training, etc.
An indica in a 5 gallon, that's mainlined? sure.
A sativa that's scrogged that's stretches a bunch, in a 2 gal?
No

I really think the only issue with FFOF being too hot maybe for young seedlings is due to the way it is mixed or rather is not mixed enough due to the fact it's been sitting on a pallet in a warehouse settlling until sold. There are sometimes hot spots in it but if you dump it out the bag & get it really diced up & mixed evenly its fine for most younglings.
Started my organic adventures with a combo of FFOF & sunshine #4 mix. The only thing I would suggest is to go with as large a container as possible for your space and if needed use a top dressing to get your plants through to harvest. The occasional AACT can boost microbial activity & keep them super healthy. Not sure why you wouldn't want more phosphor than less in your mix - I amend recycling soil with fish bone meal & I use hi P guano in my teas to hopefully boost phosphor levels especially in bloom phase. I wouldn't worry about ph either just non chlorinated water is nice enough for them- if you want to be extra nice collect rain water and/or use RO if you are on the city tap.
Plan on recycling your soil after each run in a tote bin or similar vessel. The best thing you can do for your grow right now is to start up a worm farm so you'll have a supply of fresh EWC for free. Compost is the one thing many overlook but it's essential.

green_machine_two9er said:

Go for it. Ffof can work just fine with added airation. All through veg. Im a bit confused tho. Why are you working on living soil obly through veg? Are you planning on going to a bottled nutient after?

Or just transplant from ff a few weeks before your flip into a ammended soil. And btw phing water with water only soil grows is usually counter productive. Nutrients from bottles have to be in your ph mark for uptake. Nutients from soil are being activated or made available from beneficial bacteria and fungi. Among many other living things. In fact the plant itself and microherd communicate and live symbioticaly. And ph should be controlled by building buffers into soil way ahead of time.

But. Glad to see your interest in living soil growing. It is humbling to grow this way. You will find the less we get involved the better. Plants grow themselves.

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me and my homy are trying to just add water through veg, with no bottled nutes, then switch to subcools supersoil for flower... hope that answers questions ... we just love the idea of living soil, both for veg and bloom. plus it helps build the plants biologics, correct?

Richard Drysift said:

I really think the only issue with FFOF being too hot maybe for young seedlings is due to the way it is mixed or rather is not mixed enough due to the fact it's been sitting on a pallet in a warehouse settlling until sold. There are sometimes hot spots in it but if you dump it out the bag & get it really diced up & mixed evenly its fine for most younglings.
Started my organic adventures with a combo of FFOF & sunshine #4 mix. The only thing I would suggest is to go with as large a container as possible for your space and if needed use a top dressing to get your plants through to harvest. The occasional AACT can boost microbial activity & keep them super healthy. Not sure why you wouldn't want more phosphor than less in your mix - I amend recycling soil with fish bone meal & I use hi P guano in my teas to hopefully boost phosphor levels especially in bloom phase. I wouldn't worry about ph either just non chlorinated water is nice enough for them- if you want to be extra nice collect rain water and/or use RO if you are on the city tap.
Plan on recycling your soil after each run in a tote bin or similar vessel. The best thing you can do for your grow right now is to start up a worm farm so you'll have a supply of fresh EWC for free. Compost is the one thing many overlook but it's essential.

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the removal of the phosphorus is only for veg, it will be added back into the bloom supersoil recipe

screw bagged soil and subcools "supersoil"
look into the clackamas coots mix and don't look back.

Kaptain Kronic said:

How good is Fox Farms Ocean Soil? I know that it is too potent for seedlings and young plants. But is it strong enough to make it two and a half months through veg, with out supplement? This is my question.

Here is my reasoning:

My friend and I are currently working on a "Living Super Soil" for our vegetating plants. We have removed some of the phosphate from the mixture so it should work with vegging plants. We have high hopes for this. Our goals with this idea are to never have to use bottled nutrients, and only water our plants with nice ph'd oxygenated water, from start to finish.

Thoughts are welcome and appreciated

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Keep in mind that the phosphorus goes back in for the bloom soil ...

goodjoint said:

screw bagged soil and subcools "supersoil"
look into the clackamas coots mix and don't look back.

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So what kind of soil recipe do you use? I am interested in learning all i can. Should i just google clackamas coots mix? How does it do through veg and then into and through bloom? Is it a just add water system, or are bottled nutrients required?

Kaptain Kronic said:

So what kind of soil recipe do you use? I am interested in learning all i can. Should i just google clackamas coots mix? How does it do through veg and then into and through bloom? Is it a just add water system, or are bottled nutrients required?

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I have been ordering from this company lately! They have amendments mixed and measured, you just have to add a few things to finish the mix. They suggest peat mixed with lava rock or rice hulls, add your own castings also. There is a good article in the blog section, they tell you how to finish mixing it!
http://buildasoil.com/products/the-clackamas-kit

Here is a pre-mix that is very similar to what a lot of people on here are using.
http://buildasoil.com/products/buildasoil-craft-blend-nutrient-pack

This is the craft blend:

1. Acadian Kelp Meal
2. Ahimsa Neem/Karanja Cake
3. Alfalfa Meal
4. CalPhos
5. Camelina Meal
6. Crustacean Meal
7. Fish Meal
8. 3x Fish Bone Meal
9. Soybean Meal
10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite
11. Malted Barley Grains (3 Varieties)
12. Azomite
13. Basalt
14. Gypsum
15. Oyster Flour

I really wish that I found out about this sooner, like 4yrs ago!!!

Kaptain Kronic said:

me and my homy are trying to just add water through veg, with no bottled nutes, then switch to subcools supersoil for flower... hope that answers questions ... we just love the idea of living soil, both for veg and bloom. plus it helps build the plants biologics, correct?

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Compost and earth worm casting tea seems like something you should learn about.

I veg in roots organic with a inch or 2 of sub super soil at the bottom. If you feed with teas this will keep you plants happy in veg. About 2 weeks before flower I transplant into super soil.

Teas can be just bacterial/fungal with a low npk value or you can add thing like alfalfa, kelp, feather meal or other amendments to change the npk ratio to suit your needs. You can even make a tea with your super soil if you want to.

In my experience super soil still needs cal/mag add when you water. Keep using teas in flower but make it a flower tea buy adding bat guano or a ingredient with more p-k and less n.

Also don't forget about mycos and molasses.

Kaptain Kronic said:

So what kind of soil recipe do you use? I am interested in learning all i can. Should i just google clackamas coots mix? How does it do through veg and then into and through bloom? Is it a just add water system, or are bottled nutrients required?

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it'd do way better than any supersoil.
Supersoil is a flawed design. Period.
It's just "famous" because there is a sticky on it.
Coots mix will shit all over it, as well as most of the organic DIY mixes.
layered soil is a flawed design, water soluble nutrients is a flawed design, bovine products are potentially lethal.
those are my opinions...
Albeit educated ones.

Kaptain Kronic said:

the removal of the phosphorus is only for veg, it will be added back into the bloom supersoil recipe

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be careful of that logic.
Just sayin, it'll create more problems than it'll solve.
cannabis doesn't need a different nutrient plan, especially with organics.
It needs all nutrients at all stages. taking away nitrogen during flowering isn't wise, nor is taking out phosphorus during vege.
Go with an even npk, concentrating more on the availability of the nutrients rather than it's NPK%.
slow release, medium and fast.

greasemonkeymann said:

it'd do way better than any supersoil.
Supersoil is a flawed design. Period.
It's just "famous" because there is a sticky on it.
Coots mix will shit all over it, as well as most of the organic DIY mixes.
layered soil is a flawed design, water soluble nutrients is a flawed design, bovine products are potentially lethal.
those are my opinions...
Albeit educated ones.

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Still not a bad starting point into organics. Anything that gets people to learn about amendments and building living soil is cool.

And supersoil grows good smoke, just saying.

I'm doing a lighter mix than super soil and focusing on plant based amendments and teas. Definitely trying to incorporate veganics into my system.

norcal mmj said:

Still not a bad starting point into organics. Anything that gets people to learn about amendments and building living soil is cool.

And supersoil grows good smoke, just saying.

I'm doing a lighter mix than super soil and focusing on plant based amendments and teas. Definitely trying to incorporate veganics into my system.

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absolutely it wil grow good smoke, and probably better than most hydro, i'm just sayin the design flaws are numerous, and you can improve a LOT...
But hell yea it'll grow good herb...
but I've seen miracle grow, grow good herb too...

So is it possible to "build" soil in a basement or garage and not have odors and bugs during the process? I have zero privacy outside my house. I'd need to start flower gardening to have a reason for an outdoor compost bin or worm farm.

sanjuan said:

So is it possible to "build" soil in a basement or garage and not have odors and bugs during the process? I have zero privacy outside my house. I'd need to start flower gardening to have a reason for an outdoor compost bin or worm farm.

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You could sure, but keep in mind a compost pile and a wormbin will be loaded with bugs.
But not the "bad" ones.

norcal mmj said:

Compost and earth worm casting tea seems like something you should learn about.

I veg in roots organic with a inch or 2 of sub super soil at the bottom. If you feed with teas this will keep you plants happy in veg. About 2 weeks before flower I transplant into super soil.

Teas can be just bacterial/fungal with a low npk value or you can add thing like alfalfa, kelp, feather meal or other amendments to change the npk ratio to suit your needs. You can even make a tea with your super soil if you want to.

In my experience super soil still needs cal/mag add when you water. Keep using teas in flower but make it a flower tea buy adding bat guano or a ingredient with more p-k and less n.

Also don't forget about mycos and molasses.

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My friend and I have been using compost teas, with various ingredients, but are finding that at times its not quite enough, and the plants we are growing prefer low amounts of nutrients. Also the compost teas while they can be used to up your npk they are mainley for building biologics in the plant and for feeding micro organisms and beneficial bacteria in the soil. But then too, perhaps we havent found the right "recipe" for our "poo stews" lol ...