Super Soil Error?

myke

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Is it a requirement to let it cook? I only ask because mine just sprouted and they are in small pots. I could alwags add a tea halfway through while the soil cook or is that not a good idea?
Take 10-15% of your mix with 40 peat 45 perlight drop one in should be fine.Solo cup or something.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Is it a requirement to let it cook? I only ask because mine just sprouted and they are in small pots. I could alwags add a tea halfway through while the soil cook or is that not a good idea?
Well you don't have to cook it really since the only real hot ingredient is the blood meal. You could give it some EWC tea to kickstart the microbes too if you want. Make sure you add more aeration though for sure.
 
Well you don't have to cook it really since the only real hot ingredient is the blood meal. You could give it some EWC tea to kickstart the microbes too if you want. Make sure you add more aeration though for sure.
I also got about 1.5 cu ft of perlite left over... Any recommendations on how much of each to add to about 6 cu ft of soil? Or am I looking for the same consistency of the FFOF base?
 

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PadawanWarrior

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Well I have plenty of perlite left over... Someone also suggested cutting with peat moss. Perhaps both? I have 9 5 gallon pots of soil, so how much should I be adding?

I assume cooking this for another 30 days?
Ya adding extra peat is a good idea too. How much EWC did you add? That does look super soggy.
 

PadawanWarrior

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I add 1lb pumice for every cubic foot of soil used in my mix

if you cant find any locally, try buildasoil.com
Yep. I've spent like a grand at BAS. If you go through this link you get $5 off. I just ordered some karanja meal a couple days ago. I didn't have any of that yet.
 
EWC shouldn't be 1/3 of you mix, unless you have some really awesome EWC. I'd lighten it with both peat moss and perlite. Well actually I use pumice and lava rock, but same principle.
Yea I heard those were better but I couldn't find any of those two... From what I gather perlite eventually needs to be replenished. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if I started with peat as a base instead of FFOF (and cheaper), but... Lesson learned.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Yea I heard those were better but I couldn't find any of those two... From what I gather perlite eventually needs to be replenished. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if I started with peat as a base instead of FFOF (and cheaper), but... Lesson learned.
I started with FFOF as a base for my no-till. The reason I use pumice and lava rock is it doesn't break down like perlite. You could use rice hulls to lighten the mix too. I use rice hulls them. The pumice and lava rock are a lot heavier though, especially the lava rock.
 
Well, tomorrow I will start mixing. Wish my luck gents... I'll update with some pictures once it's cut and aeriated and dried a bit...

I started with FFOF as a base for my no-till. The reason I use pumice and lava rock is it doesn't break down like perlite. You could use rice hulls to lighten the mix too. I use rice hulls them. The pumice and lava rock are a lot heavier though, especially the lava rock.
Quick question, would it be alright to let the soil dry to let the gnats die off or will that stop the microbes from ever coming back?

EDIT: https://homesteadandchill.com/how-to-feed-cannabis-organically/
Would any of these be useful? There are so many recipes and it's a bit daunting to know if any are going to burn my plants after I cut the soil.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Well, tomorrow I will start mixing. Wish my luck gents... I'll update with some pictures once it's cut and aeriated and dried a bit...


Quick question, would it be alright to let the soil dry to let the gnats die off or will that stop the microbes from ever coming back?

EDIT: https://homesteadandchill.com/how-to-feed-cannabis-organically/
Would any of these be useful? There are so many recipes and it's a bit daunting to know if any are going to burn my plants after I cut the soil.
I'd keep it moist. Look close. Maybe you'll see some hypoaspis miles. I had some gnats at the beginning of making my soil, but the predators took care of them. I haven't seen a gnat in almost 2 years now. Mosquito bits, or Bti works too I guess, but I've never needed to add it.
 

Richard Drysift

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If you just add something inert to it as everyone is saying it should work. Perlite or pumice definitely but I would also add coco coir; especially for younger plants. Cooking helps normalize ph which usually drops when you add a bunch of organic materials together all at once. You can start seeds in a relatively stark mix; just mix your base soil with a lot of coco and perlite. In let’s say 3-4 weeks when they are ready to transplant your mix should be ok to use. I pop seeds and freshly rooted clones in spent soil from old root balls myself but if you don’t have any on hand you can just cut your mix down. You almost cannot put too much perlite in your mix; don’t worry just make it nice and light. You’ll be amazed how quickly it can disappear from grow to grow. I recommend diatomaceous earth to control/prevent gnats. You just sprinkle it on top layer of your containers. Also de is a good source of silica once it breaks down.
 

SpawnOfVader

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If you just add something inert to it as everyone is saying it should work. Perlite or pumice definitely but I would also add coco coir; especially for younger plants. Cooking helps normalize ph which usually drops when you add a bunch of organic materials together all at once. You can start seeds in a relatively stark mix; just mix your base soil with a lot of coco and perlite. In let’s say 3-4 weeks when they are ready to transplant your mix should be ok to use. I pop seeds and freshly rooted clones in spent soil from old root balls myself but if you don’t have any on hand you can just cut your mix down. You almost cannot put too much perlite in your mix; don’t worry just make it nice and light. You’ll be amazed how quickly it can disappear from grow to grow. I recommend diatomaceous earth to control/prevent gnats. You just sprinkle it on top layer of your containers. Also de is a good source of silica once it breaks down.
I've started adding coco after killing my last two seedlings by burning the roots... ballpark my recipe is this:


45% FFOF
30% Coco Coir
10% EWC
7.5% pumice (fine grade)
7.5% biochar
Trace amounts: Mykos, mosquito bits

I'm using that for 1 gallon pots/my first transplant.

Might up the ratio of FFOF/nutes for their final pots. Looking into swapping pumice for rice hulls to keep the recipe more sustainable. The mosquito bits are just BTI innoculants....so it's good for mosquitos/gnats/root aphids
 

SpawnOfVader

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Well, tomorrow I will start mixing. Wish my luck gents... I'll update with some pictures once it's cut and aeriated and dried a bit...


Quick question, would it be alright to let the soil dry to let the gnats die off or will that stop the microbes from ever coming back?

EDIT: https://homesteadandchill.com/how-to-feed-cannabis-organically/
Would any of these be useful? There are so many recipes and it's a bit daunting to know if any are going to burn my plants after I cut the soil.
Your soil should always get pretty dry between waterings. Once they're in the soil you need to actively work to get rid of the larvae (the real issue)...

Soil drenches with Neem or Hydrogen Peroxide tend to do well. Diatamaceous earth or sand on top of the soil both help kill off the larvae by keeping the top layer dry and it discourages egg laying for the same reason.

I use BTI but I like the idea of biologic warfare using semi-natural bacteria to kill off the larvae.... it takes about a week to knock out the majority of the infestation. Mosquito Bits and Mosquito Dunks are two brands for the same thing.
 
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