Super Hot Court Case Exposes IRS

GrowRebel

GrowRebel

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ViRedd

ViRedd

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Good post, GR ...

Its true ... a "Notice of Levy" is not a levy. The only way a levy, used to confiscate property, i.e., money in a bank account, is legitimate is if it is issued by a court order judgement, at which time a true levy is issued. Again, a "Notice" of levy is NOT a levy.

When a bank receives a "Notice" of levy from the IRS, they freeze the amount of money in the account as designated by the IRS. The bank holds the money for 21 days and if the "taxpayer" hasn't resolved the problem with the IRS, the bank automatically sends the money to the IRS. Of course this is in violation of the Fifth Amendment ... and probably the Fourth Amendment as well. The banks don't care. The banks are afraid of the ramifications if they don't comply with IRS "Notices of Levy," because if they refuse to comply ... THEY MAY LOSE THEIR FEDERAL RESERVE FRANCHISE.

If ... and only if, the general population awakens to the income tax fraud, will things change. What we need is a class action suit against all banks, employers, and especially large corporation employers, that automatically turn over their customer's/employee's property (money) to the IRS upon receipt of a "Notice" of levy without actually having a bonifide court order ... which is a true levy.

Vi
 
GrowRebel

GrowRebel

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Vi you lost me after "Good post GR ... it true" :shock:

I still don't get it ... is this article showing the proof that we are not legally obligated to pay federal taxes?:confused::-?
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hanimmal

hanimmal

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No I think what the actual truth is that the government past laws way back when to get around the arguement being raised by people that taxes are illegal by stating all americans are technically employees of the state so that they can take taxes as well as garnish wages (in cases like child support and whatnot). And someone has looked it up and is trying to argue against it.

If it turns out that there is a loophole expect the court system to close it up effectively closing it. But you have to respect the homework that the person did. I just hope that Ron Paul is going to pay the court fees for the person since he is going to use the piss out of their hard work for his own agenda.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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GrowRebel said:
Vi you lost me after "Good post GR ... it true" :shock:

I still don't get it ... is this article showing the proof that we are not legally obligated to pay federal taxes?:confused::-?
:weed::joint::hump:
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GR ...

I actually printed the article out, then read it twice very carefully, and again this morning. It was a great post on your part and a terrific article too.

What the article is alluding to is, when a taxpayer is delinquent on his/her taxes, the IRS sends a Notice of Levy to the taxpayer's employer. A "Notice" of levy is NOT a levy. In order for the IRS to get a true levy, the IRS must get a court ordered judgement. This, they haven't done when they simply send out a "Notice" of levy. Therefore the employer, in the article BIG corporation was the employer, becomes a third party to the transaction. The third party has no authority to confiscate the taxpayer's property (and neither does the IRS without a court order), and can be held liable for the loss if the property (money, salary, wage, commission) is sent to the IRS without the employee's written permission.

The article is actually a letter written to the IRS by an executive of BIG Corporation stating exactly why BIG Corporation isn't required to send their employees property (money) to the IRS based upon a flimsy "Notice" of levy. In other words, the executive is a patriot who really knows his shit. This is something every American should know. Its called making a claim for liberty.

So, the article isn't saying that we don't have to pay taxes. The article is pointing out that the methods used by the IRS to collect the past due taxes is illegal under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

Here's the deal: Let's say you charge something on your Macy's account, then run into hard times and can't pay the bill. As time goes by, Macy's turns your account over to a collection agency. Can you imagine your reaction if the collection agency would send a Notice of Levy to your bank with no proof of a court judgement and your bank sent your funds to the collection agency? You'd shit. You'd probably hire a lawyer and sue the bank if they didn't reimburse you the money. The question is, if the IRS is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve, why are they any different from Macy's collection agency? I'll tell you the difference ... Americans, including bank managers, are scared shitless of the power of the IRS.

Hope this clears up your confusion a bit.

Again ... great post. I really enjoyed it. :)


Vi
 
GrowRebel

GrowRebel

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ViRedd said:
GR ...

I actually printed the article out, then read it twice very carefully, and again this morning. It was a great post on your part and a terrific article too.

So, the article isn't saying that we don't have to pay taxes. The article is pointing out that the methods used by the IRS to collect the past due taxes is illegal under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

Here's the deal: Let's say you charge something on your Macy's account, then run into hard times and can't pay the bill. As time goes by, Macy's turns your account over to a collection agency. Can you imagine your reaction if the collection agency would send a Notice of Levy to your bank with no proof of a court judgement and your bank sent your funds to the collection agency? You'd shit. You'd probably hire a lawyer and sue the bank if they didn't reimburse you the money. The question is, if the IRS is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve, why are they any different from Macy's collection agency? I'll tell you the difference ... Americans, including bank managers, are scared shitless of the power of the IRS.

Hope this clears up your confusion a bit.

Again ... great post. I really enjoyed it. :)


Vi
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I see what you are saying now Vi ... I wonder if people can do something when the IRS does something like that. Could a good attorney get them their money back?

Thanks for breaking it down.:peace:
 
ViRedd

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GrowRebel said:
I see what you are saying now Vi ... I wonder if people can do something when the IRS does something like that. Could a good attorney get them their money back?

Thanks for breaking it down.:peace:
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The problem is, the attorneys are afraid of the IRS. I don't think they would dare take on the illegal collection methods of the IRS. They have no problem defending citizens after the fact though ... like in negotiating offers in compromise or IRS debt written off in bankruptcy for example.

Hell, even congressmen are afraid of the IRS.

We actually have some here on the forum who support the IRS, if you can believe that. You know what's funny, GR? We walk around spouting about how we live in the freest country on earth, while at the same time, we have this quasi-government agency that strikes fear in the hearts of American citizens. Go figure.

Hey Med-'O-Mao ... how did your wife do during the last tax season? Did the Idaho people have her prepare there financial confession again this year? :lol:

Vi
 
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ViRedd said:
...Here's the deal: Let's say you charge something on your Macy's account, then run into hard times and can't pay the bill. As time goes by, Macy's turns your account over to a collection agency. Can you imagine your reaction if the collection agency would send a Notice of Levy to your bank with no proof of a court judgement and your bank sent your funds to the collection agency?
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Umm, something like that happened to me and my wife. My wife was divorced and her and her ex had Discover cards. The ex didn't pay so they went after her. Since I married her, and we have a joint checking account of course they went after me also.

They probably did get some court order but OUT OF THE BLUE they raided everything out of our checking account. Every month they sent someone to our local bank to see if there was a balance. If so, they took it. Be it $200 or $0.38 cents...They took everything in it until she contacted them and made a monthly payment agreement. Only then did they stop clearing out our account.

It was pure hell and caused a lot of other problems when checks and auto payments bounced because we didn't know we got robbed.
 
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