Sugar (raw, residue) N-1.14 -- P-8.33---Ideas on how to use turbinado sugar for P?

+ WitchDoctor + · Apr 22, 2012

If raw sugar was composted, the compost would be high in P, am I right?

I can't think of any other way to give it to the plant other than fermenting it or just watering with it, but that doesn't seem like it would work....

farmerjoe420 · Apr 22, 2012

i would just use kelp or liquid seaweed and use molasses or sucanat for sugars.

Coho · Apr 22, 2012

I just use it for rub on pork butts. :eyesmoke:

+ WitchDoctor + · Apr 23, 2012

farmerjoe420 said:
i would just use kelp or liquid seaweed and use molasses or sucanat for sugars.

No, I posted the Phosphorus value in the title of the post. Sorry, I was tired and should have explained what I'm asking better. The P value of raw sugar(residue) is 8.33. That's about as high as Jamaican bat guano.

So I'm wondering if there is a way to change the sugar into a residue of some sort, to use it on the plants. Not as a sugar for the plants, but as a P source.

Coho said:
I just use it for rub on pork butts.

Ewwwww..lol. Good stuff!

missnu · Apr 23, 2012

Well most sugars have lots of phosphorous...that is another reason that plants like them during flower...so I would say that when adding sugar you would inevitably be adding phosphorous...

+ WitchDoctor + · Apr 23, 2012

missnu said:
Well most sugars have lots of phosphorous...that is another reason that plants like them during flower...so I would say that when adding sugar you would inevitably be adding phosphorous...

I could see that happening. Some people actually use turbinado sugar when flushing too. Not sure if that does anything.

But if it is taking in phosphorus when we give it sugars, we wouldn't be able to give it anything close to the amount of P it needs without giving it was too much sugar. The sugar would have to be changed somehow...

farmerjoe420 · Apr 23, 2012

+ WitchDoctor + said:
No, I posted the Phosphorus value in the title of the post. Sorry, I was tired and should have explained what I'm asking better. The P value of raw sugar(residue) is 8.33. That's about as high as Jamaican bat guano.

So I'm wondering if there is a way to change the sugar into a residue of some sort, to use it on the plants. Not as a sugar for the plants, but as a P source.

Ewwwww..lol. Good stuff!

actually i read it wrong my bad. im not sure how else you could use it besides dissolving in water or tea but why take a guess on it when there are so many other p sources? it doesnt seem like there would be anyway of knowing how to dose it correctly to feed your plants propely and aside from that, turbinado isnt cheap. i would stick to things that work and not over think it.

missnu · Apr 23, 2012

I am not sure a plant can get too much sugar... there is no plant diabetes...but if there is too much carbon in your medium then nitrogen won't be released correclty so I guess you could give too much sugar, you would have to be able to do an actual check of what exactly is in the soil precisely...which is just not practical...or simple...but it is hard to outweigh nitrogen in soil...

Dank Raptor · Apr 24, 2012

Turbinado sugar is great stuff. I use molasses throughout my grow for carbs. The last 10 days before harvest I dont feed them anything but water with some turbinado sugar melted into it. Feeds the microbes and gives the plant sugar so that it can focus its energy elsewhere.

+ WitchDoctor + · Apr 24, 2012

farmerjoe420 said:
actually i read it wrong my bad. im not sure how else you could use it besides dissolving in water or tea but why take a guess on it when there are so many other p sources? it doesnt seem like there would be anyway of knowing how to dose it correctly to feed your plants propely and aside from that, turbinado isnt cheap. i would stick to things that work and not over think it.

I always over think everything lol. I don't like using guanos, lot's of reasons..

And I feel like I should be trying to use a more renewable resource than rock phosphate.

I'm working on an idea to use high PK compost as my flower booster, but that's gonna take months so I've been trying to think of other ideas.

missnu said:
I am not sure a plant can get too much sugar... there is no plant diabetes...but if there is too much carbon in your medium then nitrogen won't be released correclty so I guess you could give too much sugar, you would have to be able to do an actual check of what exactly is in the soil precisely...which is just not practical...or simple...but it is hard to outweigh nitrogen in soil...

I think that feeding to much raw sugar would cause problems for the microbes..I already give them a carb source. So the sugar would have to be turned into something else but still retain it's P value...The only thing I can really think of is composting it, or fermenting it, and I've already got a high PK compost going. I've never tried to ferment my own nutrients tho...there's a book I've been meaning to get..

Dank Raptor said:
Turbinado sugar is great stuff. I use molasses throughout my grow for carbs. The last 10 days before harvest I dont feed them anything but water with some turbinado sugar melted into it. Feeds the microbes and gives the plant sugar so that it can focus its energy elsewhere.

How much do you use per gallon? And you only use it at the end?

farmerjoe420 · Apr 24, 2012

i used to be guilty of being an overthinker too until i changed my approach a little lol. i definitely like the idea of a high pk compost and also appreciate the science of organics so i hope you figure it out because it is very interesting. i still think it would be good to feed your soil but not sure how it would work as a P source. good luck to you.

+ WitchDoctor + · Apr 24, 2012

farmerjoe420 said:
i used to be guilty of being an overthinker too until i changed my approach a little lol. i definitely like the idea of a high pk compost and also appreciate the science of organics so i hope you figure it out because it is very interesting. i still think it would be good to feed your soil but not sure how it would work as a P source. good luck to you.

Thanks. I think I'm technically still working on my approach lol, I don't know if that will ever stop though. I definitely have happy plants, but I feel like happy is just the beginning :eyesmoke:

Dank Raptor · Apr 24, 2012

+ WitchDoctor + said:
How much do you use per gallon? And you only use it at the end?

I use a tablespoon/gal. I like to dissolve it in a glass of hot water and then stir it in. Yea I only use it at the end because I believe it is a purer source of carbs that gives a better flush then molasses and more weight then if you used water.

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